»I just realized. The humans are still screwed.«

Today while taking a walk, I was thinking about the concept because I had just finished rewatching Revolutions.

Neo freed the humans, right? So they're going to be released from the Matrix?

If so, they have nothing to go back to. Blocking out the sky for that long would kill the Earth. There would be no food for the people. The lack of sun would have also cooled the Earth drastically, thus making human life very rough without shelter.

But as shown in the first Matrix movie, mankind's cities now lie in ruin. Survivors would have to rebuilt the cities, not to mention the infrastructure.

So how are we supposed to be left with a good feeling at the end of Revelations? A computer generated sunset? That's all the human race gets before they go back to the crappy world?

Only those that want out of the Matrix would leave it.

But you are right, the world was in no condition to support a significant number in a decent life. Zion looked pretty disgusting to me. I would think it would be easier to create enjoyable lives in the matrix.

The whole thing is a movie after all. Would the original matrix where life was wondeful really fail? The situation was contrived for the sake of the story?

Ultimately a good story isn't about the story, it is about what it tells us about real life.

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Only about 1% will be wanting to go out.

The fact is, that thanks to Neo's deed this won't create a technical problem involving the programming of the Matrix anymore.

So the machines could just kill the ones that don't accept the rules and want out.

But they made a deal of peace, so Zion maintains and the new people that want out are free to go.

This also proofs that the disaster the Architect talked about is not about the threat Zion could form against the machines (just look at the Machine City, the Zionites will never get through the shields of bombs), but about the ever growing unstable anomaly factor, which Neo fixed for good.

I expect so

And..

Because the child is important. I can't tell you why, but I believe that one day the child will change both our world and your world forever. ~Oracle

These are not mere ramblings of hope but continued insight prophetically illuminating the Path. The Path of the One has ended. However the Oracle spoke of the path continuing and these words along with all that’s already been achieved and progressing should be more than enough to give reasonable stability to anyone wanting to believe in MORE. More that will change BOTH worlds… FOREVER.

There is also more than 1% that are now clambering their way out because of Neo. In fact the trend in rejecting the Matrix is growing to such an alarming rate that the Machines fear there will not be enough humans to sustain the power they seek from it (this info was divulged soon before the game got underway early 2005).

Watch out! The Path isn’t over yet

well actually , the easily available biblical matrix model is the only one that can be relied upon- anything else is a re lie.
of course it requires faith to activate
p31

-Xavier- wrote:

Today while taking a walk, I was thinking about the concept because I had just finished rewatching Revolutions. Neo freed the humans, right? So they're going to be released from the Matrix? If so, they have nothing to go back to. Blocking out the sky for that long would kill the Earth. There would be no food for the people. The lack of sun would have also cooled the Earth drastically, thus making human life very rough without shelter. But as shown in the first Matrix movie, mankind's cities now lie in ruin. Survivors would have to rebuilt the cities, not to mention the infrastructure. So how are we supposed to be left with a good feeling at the end of Revelations? A computer generated sunset? That's all the human race gets before they go back to the crappy world?

No, that's not actually what happened.

The humans in the Matrix who have the proverbial 'spinter' in their minds (the 1% who will invariably reject the program) will no longer be hunted by Agents as Neo and Kid were. Instead "they will be freed".

The remaining 99% are still gonna stay in the Matrix. As you said, life in the Matrix is actually pretty darn great. But there are always those pesky 'naturalists' who just don't understand practicality

But still.. How is this a good ending again? The humans are still slaves to the machines ('cept for the ones in Zion) and the world is a wreck and void of life.

IMO, there could be a series of bizzare plot twists that could let the human race be free and the earth start to recover. That's mainly what I was thinking about on my walk.

-Xavier- wrote:

IMO, there could be a series of bizzare plot twists that could let the human race be free and the earth start to recover. That's mainly what I was thinking about on my walk.

That's the hollywood ending. Not the Ws ending.

Eh I guess.

That IS what humans are for.

Humes are More screwed than you think...

Our Species is devolving rapidly.. as if we are this very second going extinct 5-minutes for every realtime second...

I'm seeing near the year 1-forty-5, 7-thirty AD.. the last human cracking the marrow out of the bones of the second last...
[dam four and three keys suddenly wouldn't type.. I hope this pricey remote keyboard isn't suddenly pooched!]

I'm seeing cell-phones are slowly baking people's brains...
TeeVee is doing all their thinking.. and even giving them their opinions in everything from their fears, to toilet paper softness, to how they should feel about nukes and immortality's continuation...

I'm seeing CRT monitors are attacking people's minds... When I first switched on my new flat screen, suddenly what ever had been wrecking my flows and rolls, and what had been beating me up trying to kill me for five years.. had finally give up, was gone... I reinstalled the CRT monitor, and it was baack... If you are a writer, You MUST trash the CRT, and get a flatscreen... The change is like having pulled a huge sliver out from under your nail...

A couple thou years ago mankind gave Barter and the reigns to Life to Money... Now mankind has given his mind to teevee... "Humanity is screwed" is truth, but a gross understatement...
"Humanity is extinct" seems to fit the package much better...

Answering your original post -

The problem is choice. Only now, the result of making that choice doesnt involve men in suits hunting you down. Practically speaking, the matrix offers 'everything the body needs' (); and so there is no real reason to leave.

Choosing the hard path grants the power of choice without illusion. A little power and control, thats what we get if we leave. Power and control of our own destinies. Im sure that humanity could survive outside the matrix - remember the comic 'The millers tale'.

As for your last post, perhaps we could think like this:
We defined living as hunting, working, enduring. The way we percieve living has changed, because the way in which we interact with the world has changed massively. New stimuli and comforts/aids have changed out perspective. Life is easier, so perhaps because we are no longer fighting to stay alive on a daily basis, we dont feel the gift of it as much.

Super good points in this expanding controversy...

I thought that the Matrix offers more of the mind..?

It's sad that we are defined by anything trivial.. let-alone "the three pains".. That isn't Living.. It's just Survival... In big cities, it's a wonder more aren't living off the greenbags at the curbs... There is an advancing state of "new stimuli", but the human Species fails to even begin to grasp any of it... Cell phones, the CRT, and the near total lack of body's need nutrients, in processed foods, are devolving the human intellect as fast as a tide recedes... and Religion has put the brakes on evolution to prevent any further change from occurring, because Religion believes that change doesn't include it... On top of it, Religion has implemented a ceiling-cap on the thinking of its flocks, so they won't see the evils religion is, so to defend and maintain submissive tithing for their parasitic 2000 year old gays wine and cheese party... In that Religion conditions it flocks to not be able to think out of the box, by implementing a conditioning-program which causes migraines for those who think beyond 7-percent mind usage... Only Christians suffer migraines and writer's cramp... and the only way to defeat said conditioning are to either die, or to blaspheme greater than the conditioning can process... The Matrix hints at a method to surpass said vile conditioning, but humes are too fearful to use it... Too fearful to release their grip on non-reality, fearing that they will fall off the edge of the flat-planet... "The world is round"...

In our battle to survive, these days we are only fighting for money... I see the human race is literally wearing-out, on its downhill slide into extinction...
"We don't feel the gift of it as much".. because of mass abuse of the latest craze of designer drugs, designed to numb us to the discomforts of the fall into oblivion... And one day we will wake up to find we have awaken on our deathbed... The Matrix shows us this, in an entertaining sort of way... We see it.. but forget it the moment the teevee is switched off... The human Species for the most part has settled into a mindless stupor.. The teevee has replaced the mind and the matrix.. yet isn't the mind nor the matrix...
It's like a kid wearing a plastic gold crown.. and is king of the world, until the crown falls off...

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The "actual" matrix.. is likely what crashed my SeaMonkey browser the second I hit the "post it" button... SeaMonkey never crashes... But the post went through, and I wasn't forced to try to rebuild it from memory...

Well said.

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I thought that the Matrix offers more of the mind..?

Indeed, the matrix is by design a mental tool. Though obviously it doesnt contain everything the mind needs - hence the rejects. In our most basic existance - to live - the matrix is adequate.

It seems, "It doesn't contain everything the mind needs".. because its presentation is designed to be peak entertainment, rather than a tool to trigger and teach mind basics... In that the Matrix Project fails to present nor explore the basics.. and remains like a tremendous cliff to climb, by those who absolutely fear any heights beyond standing on a chair... Thus teevee Becomes their "mind"... Thus the Matrix becomes a fleeting pretty cloud, that does nothing but make more money for the wealthy...

What you think about what I am going to say is up to you.
But this is my understanding and taking on this

You see zion is like a buddist community. Surviving only on what is needed. perhaps the food is not that exciting but it is real.
People work in zion and keep themselves occupied free from disease, famine, War, And disaster.
It might be a simple lifestyle, But it is a lifestyle people would adapt to, Knowing that they are free from the matrix.

Remember there must be a good reason why morpheus says to neo. IF YOU COULD GO BACK WOULD YOU REALLY WANT TO.

This is what I think would happen after m1 when neo destroys the matrix

The people of zion venture onto the surface and salvage what is left of the machines. They study them and learn from their technologies.. The humans eventually rebuild their civilisation on the surface, Perhaps an indoor kind of world. Similar to the mars colony from total recall. The humans may learn that food can be made from a machine replicator. And start their civilisation all over again on the surface of the real world. They may even venture into space after a while and find a new planet. The endings from the first movie are limitless..

Revolutions is a dead end..

Most people on this forum know what my view point is. And I stand by it 100%
The first matrix movie is much more thought provocking and insanely more ingenious than the last 2.
Now the ending that I put to you is way better than a plastic sunset at the end of revolutions.
What revolutuions is telling you in no uncertain terms is that The matrix is important and the machines are even more important.

The facts are this....

1. Man made machine to serve him till the end, No matter what.
2. Man can obviously live without machines. Machines cant live without man without the sun being in play.
3. The matrix is a lie and it is deceptive, And it causes man much pain.
4. Smith said in m1 that ONCE WE STARTED TO THINK FOR YOU IT BECAME OUR WORLD.


So you see It is obvious that the machines wanted the real world for themselves. And judging from scenes in m1 it is obvious that the machines didnt want man to be a part of it.
But the clever thinking humans took away the sun and said If you cant have it, neither will we.


Now you can say whatever you like about what I just wrote. But what is above is undeniable if you give it a touch of clout.

The thing is.

You dont actually believe that parisitic sea creatures are actually a good thing. King neptune with his pronged fork similar to the devil is the king of the deep sea. The flood has happened and the ark is below the ocean floor.. The flood will eventually subside and life will get back to normal..

Thankyou for reading

Your lifestyle sounds Perfect...

Your words, Refreshing, like a cool glass of sweet-water in the middle of a hot dessert.. your magesty...

I am finding that I can blend the "city slicker lifestyle" with a Life conducive style of living, if I ooze love for all living things...
In the forests, little critters feel this love, and approach me unafraid... A couple years ago a wild mink, walked up to me, and placed her paws on my hiking boot, and we just stared into each others eyes... I think she opened up a dormant part of my mind...
17 years ago, I sat eight feet from an adult shegriz.. and taught her English...
In fall of 1982 a young female Bigfoot approached me in the middle of the night, and toyed with my hair and sniffed me a lot...

15 years ago, while I rested on a fallen log, a huge bull elk played silly games with me from a clump of trees, then silently approached, and stood behind me with its HUGE head directly above me, and we stared into each others eyes for a couple minutes, then it left hehawing... I guess I looked like a huge turtle with arms, head, and legs sticking out of the huge brown gerry pack...

I am in total agreement with you... I'd like to hear more on your philosophy of Life, to determine how it would fit with mine, in making mine even better.... This isn't "Matrix".. this is just reality as real and polite and sweet as it gets...

Examine the first movie if you want answers.

The only reason why I seem a bit forceful is the fact that I know what I am talking about. I unlike you am not in wonderland. The matrix movies purpose is to Aid you, Not to leave you wondering.
Figure out the entire meaning and then you can TRY and criticise me. But you really wouldnt want to if you knew the answers.

I here present the facts and answers. You on the other hand are left wondering pondering the answers.

Try to be more open minded without being subtlely abrasive. Try to understand there are answers not theories.

The matrix code is the flood. and the real world is the flood. Zion is the ark protecting people from the flood.

The matrix works on principles and works from this world. That is what made it clever..
Believe me there is no 6 ones there is no merovingian. The matrix is simply a computer generated dreamworld made tro house humans,, Nothing more..

Wouldnt you think that mopheus would know if their were any other programs..
There is only agents.. You get them and you get the head machine..

Its simple.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Only about 1% will be wanting to go out. The fact is, that thanks to Neo's deed this won't create a technical problem involving the programming of the Matrix anymore. So the machines could just kill the ones that don't accept the rules and want out. But they made a deal of peace, so Zion maintains and the new people that want out are free to go. This also proofs that the disaster the Architect talked about is not about the threat Zion could form against the machines (just look at the Machine City, the Zionites will never get through the shields of bombs), but about the ever growing unstable anomaly factor, which Neo fixed for good.

Precisely.

It's an honour that you agree with me

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Zion looked pretty disgusting to me.

And since Zion is in ruins at the end of M3 and just about all the hovercraft are scrap, the ability of the Zionites to support the newly freed is next to nill.

Though no longer will they be restricted in their efforts to find greener grass. Peace is good.

-Xavier- wrote:

Today while taking a walk, I was thinking about the concept because I had just finished rewatching Revolutions. Neo freed the humans, right? So they're going to be released from the Matrix? If so, they have nothing to go back to. Blocking out the sky for that long would kill the Earth. There would be no food for the people. The lack of sun would have also cooled the Earth drastically, thus making human life very rough without shelter. But as shown in the first Matrix movie, mankind's cities now lie in ruin. Survivors would have to rebuilt the cities, not to mention the infrastructure. So how are we supposed to be left with a good feeling at the end of Revelations? A computer generated sunset? That's all the human race gets before they go back to the crappy world?

very true, very true, BUT! they are now in a truce, peace, alliance with the machines. they will work together and because they have the machines they could most likely repair the sky, they could also rebuild the city. Therefore they are not screwed.

I can see where you are coming from the maker of the last post..
It seems as though there was a truce..

But what you really need to do is study neos expressions and body language at the very end of the first movie..

At the end of this movie neo inserts a virus into the machine mainframe....

Carrier anomaly...SYSTEM FAILURE..

You would think that if neo produced any failure in any system.. You would think that the machines would be screwed.. Neo cut off their signal and that connection with the matrix.. To think that there is an architect sitting and watching everything on monitors is just absurd...Neo also looks very confident in hanging around in the matrix after the machines tracked him on this telephone..

Seems as though neo knows what needs to be known...

Have a look and see where neo flies to at the end...

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

At the end of this movie neo inserts a virus into the machine mainframe.... Carrier anomaly...SYSTEM FAILURE.. You would think that if neo produced any failure in any system.. You would think that the machines would be screwed.. Neo cut off their signal and that connection with the matrix..

How do you know that he inserted a virus? And how did he insert it?

If Neo cut off the machines connection with the Matrix then most likely everybody would be dead.