»Neo's Death«

okay so here we go. In the end of the third matrix as we all know Neo dies. but "how" you may ask? let me tell you. when Neo was talking to the Machine god/loed or w/e you wish to call him the machine god said "what if you fail"? and Neo said "I Wont". having said that lets get to the main part fo my topic. In the end when Agent Smith () "transforms" (if you will) Neo into another Smith you may notice that he twitches. This twitch is caused by the machines. so seeing as the machines knew that Neo has failed so they were they basically givin Neo the power to release himself from Smiths control thus killing Neo and all the Smiths. So there you have it! the meaning of Neo's death. if you wish to contact m,e further my hotmail is Stupid email address (and that is my msn so we can IM) adn my IM yahoo is Stupid email address
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The only reason agent Smith existed was because he had a purpose. When NEO let himself be copied by agent Smith he lost his purpose and was deleted by the system mainframe.
The twitches were caused by the machines at first when they thought he had failed.The agent Smith was a virus that infecting the matrix Neo was the cure he was the oppisite of Smith.

jhammer wrote:

The only reason agent Smith existed was because he had a purpose. When NEO let himself be copied by agent Smith he lost his purpose and was deleted by the system mainframe. The twitches were caused by the machines at first when they thought he had failed.The agent Smith was a virus that infecting the matrix Neo was the cure he was the oppisite of Smith.

head of the nail --> <-- jhammer

The machines did not think Neo had failed. We see Neo realise what he has to do, and then carry it out. The machines know what he is doing too. He was simply fulfilling his purpose (remember he was connected to the source).

Because of this, the machines were able to reload the matrix. What you are seeing is exactly this: Smith being deleted, and the matrix being reloaded. I'd twich a little too if i was being deleted.

Neo didnt die and he didn't fail from my point of view. Smith just attempted to copy himself but couldn't because Neo refused and then we see Smith get destroyed.

It has been a long time since I have discussed the matrix so I am a little rusty and I am new to this forum so bear with me...

My beliefs lean towards the line of what Da King and Crisis Four said...

Neo did not fail at all. In fact Neo did exactly what he was supposed to do. But how was Smith destroyed? Neo was linked to the Source when Smith overthrew his body. If you remember what the Oracle said in reloaded, she said that a Program can either chose exile and hide in the matrix or return to the Source where it is deleted when it does not have a purpose.

"Every program must have a purpose, if it doesn't then it is deleted." Rama-Kandra (Matrix Revolutions).

Neo's Outcome: Neo chose his fate to sacrifice his life to for go his body in order for Smith to enter Neo just as he had entered Bane's. Once this transaction was complete Neo was dead, all that resided (physically) in his body was Smith. Once Smith had entered, the Source took over...Smith, a program with no purpose, had returned to the Source in which the Source recognized it and thus the Program Smith was deleted.


Now I do not think it was Neo who refused to let Smith copy him it was more actually the exact opposite. Neo completely let Smith copy himself, killing Neo. I say Neo died because even Neo said himself that "It felt like I was back at that hallway, it felt like dying." Neo realized from the little help of the Oracle/Smith Monologue "Everything that has a beginning has an end." that Smith was right...his death was inevitable...and Neo chose his death knowing it was the perfect time because of his connection with the Source which made the deletion of Smith possible.

Many people are extremely angry and disappointed about the ending of the Matrix Trilogy (or should i say saga). I'm a big matrix fan and this is the first time i've written anything in a forum about it, but come on! All the people that spend countless hours infront of their tv/pc watching back-to-back matrix films, animatrix, playing games, etc couldn't see what i've seen?
To start off, and it being a "neo's death" topiced forum, i'll say that i agree with the filosofy of other certain members who say that neo carried out his purpose (Smith being the virus and neo being the antivirus). I'm ok with that. But for example, throughout the film, whenever viewed in the matrix code or in neo's "golden matrix code vision" in Matrix Revolutions, every living organism had a glow. The agents, seraph, the machines (in matrix revolutions when trinity and neo go to the source), the glow in trinity when neo brings her back to life, etc. Can you honestly tell me that no-one noticed that same glow in neo when he's taken away after the final fight in matrix revolutions? Even though he seems dead, i believe he's in a state beyond death (similar to his "coma" at end of matrix reloaded). So, what other evidence do i have of there being another matrix? The very end of matrix revolutions. The Sunrise, meaning a new dawning, a new begining.
I know that this isn't the forum for it but so many others have complained how the Wachowski Brothers had picked out every name very carefully. Neo meaning "the one", etc. But everyone complains about trinity. "Trinity is supposed to have three lives but she only lives twice!" That's all every one moans about. Does no-one think about the kiss in the Matrix (1999)? Neo is killed in the corridor in the Hotel "Heart o the City", Morpheus is devistated, but Trinity loses her fear and tells Neo that she loves him and gives him a kiss. Can no-one think that maybe, just maybe, Trinity gave one of her lives to Neo, thus solving the very poor riddle of the "Trinity and her three lives".
One last enlightenment before i leave. Ok, there has been talk about the Marovingian being a former "one" but has no-one thought of seraph being a former one? In Matrix reloaded he is outlined with a strong aura/glow and golden like neo or smith. Neo is the one, Smith could be called a "counter-one", seraph could have been a "one". Think also that when He hides with saffi and Smith/s find him, he says "i have beaten you before" yet we've never seen him fight smith. And by the way, i don't know where, who ever he is, who got the idea of the Merovingian being the fifth "one" because there are five glasses in front of him in matrix reloaded. THERE ARE NOT FIVE GLASSES IN FRONT OF HIM! There are six, and if you look even closer, you can tell that three are his (just like everyone else in the table) and three are from the position of the table in which neo sits later.
It was great sharing my wisdom with you and if anyone has any comments on what i have said or wants to criticise my filosofy (or the Wachawski Brother's for that matter) please do as i'm sure that i will have a perfectly reasonable answer which to reply back to you.

spanishchriscantero wrote:

..the glow in trinity when neo brings her back to life, etc.

I can't see this.

spanishchriscantero wrote:

"Trinity is supposed to have three lives but she only lives twice!"

That's the most stupid thing I've ever read. Where did you hear it?

spanishchriscantero wrote:

Ok, there has been talk about the Marovingian being a former "one" but has no-one thought of seraph being a former one?

Search the forum, we've talked about that too.

spanishchriscantero wrote:

THERE ARE NOT FIVE GLASSES IN FRONT OF HIM! There are six, and if you look even closer, you can tell that three are his (just like everyone else in the table) and three are from the position of the table in which neo sits later.

I agree.

th3 p4th wrote:

spanishchriscantero wrote: ..the glow in trinity when neo brings her back to life, etc. I can't see this.

th3 p4th wrote:

spanishchriscantero wrote: "Trinity is supposed to have three lives but she only lives twice!" That's the most stupid thing I've ever read. Where did you hear it?

I saw the trinity glow in a leak...a part of deleted footage somewhere. Can't remember where exactly but if i find it i'll pm you the3 p4th

And in a couple of matrix forums i've seen (including the founder of this site) moans about how trinity only lives 2 lives and that is the only explination i can think of. Anyway, thank you for questioning my thoughts and this will intrigue me to think of more things and try to find more answers.

Leak of what?

There's no alternate / extra footage.. But if you find something, I want it!

Also read the script.. no such thing.

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EDIT

I fixed your quotes

spanishchriscantero...

your not alone...

I did also notice the whole "light/spirit "symbolism thing and also recongnized that now Neo is in a higher state of being and all that...In my last post i was just talking about the straight "forwardness" of Neo dying since there was a disagreement on when Neo died and also if he fulfilled his purpose or not...I was only taking about his physical state...But yes Neo I believe is now in a higher state of being, he is immortal, a spirit of the universe...

and im too lazy to go in depth so theres my brief opinion

Thank you mortuus nuntius for believing my theory and , as i said, if i find anything else i will post it asap, same goes for everyone else.
Let's show these non-believers to take the red pill so they can understand the real meaning of the matrix as we know it.

th3 p4th....

I couldn't find the clip of Trinity's glow, but had a quick look at the film again and saw that it's in the film and i'm sure that if you follow my instructions carefully, you'll see it.

Watch from the part as soon as she dies. Neo says he won't let her die because he loves her too much. Then the matrix codes come up. You see Neo's glow obviously but don't see Trinity's glow because she's dead. It's like wanting to see a wall glow in the matrix code or the sky glow. The moment Neo get's her heart beating again, you'll see the heart glow, and as the "blood flows through her veins", they start to glow, ergo, once she's alive she will glow.

If you still don't believe me, that's fine. I'm not here to judge. I'm just here to fulfill my purpose....just kidding. I just want to tell the world my opinion and hopefully they will agree with me, or if they don't, at least make me believe their theories.

Ahhh! Yes I agree, but her body glows because of Neo reviving her. She doesn't glow all the time..

Actually what you can see in that scene is that Neo's code glows a little more than other humans into the Matrix. And as more enlightenment he gains the more his code changes.

Ok. Neo's code might change due to his enlightenment and yes, i agree that his code is brighter than other human's, but do you agree with me that Trinity glows once she's revived and not due to Neo reviving her?

errr no. Please explain why you believe so.

If you still don't believe me, i can give you another example. Watch matrix reloaded, asap, and go to the chapter where they meet the merovingian. If you recall, you see the blonde woman eating the chocolate cake. so far so good? not the first time you see the code, but the second time, when she has actually taken a bite of the cake, pause the film as soon as it goes "code" you will see her glow (and she's just a normal person).
You might also say, "but that's because the program in the cake is coursing its way through her body". If so, compare the "non-glowing code" part of her to the far away wall and the table and you'll see that she is brighter.
If you still don't believe me, then remember how bright her glow is and go back about a minute in the film, when the waiter brings the cake to her. When it goes code and the cake is in the middle of the table, pause it. Compare the brightness of the cake to her or any of the other people around the table and you'll se that, they're not as bright as the cake, but bright none the less.
This probably has something to do with, how you said earlier, Neo is so bright because of his enlightenment and great understanding of the matrix (as are the agents, especially smith, but still not as much as neo), where as ordinary human beings are bright but not as due to their not knowing/understanding of the matrix.
Hopefully you'll now understand me and believe me. If not, i would like to see if you can come up with an idea as good or better and convince me. Thank you.

Watch the Matrix Reloaded Revisited, it is just the "excitement" she feels from the special cake Merv sent her.

I can't see anything strange..

I saw the matrix revisited and stopped 3 mins into it because i found it so boring.

What's the excitement, the bright glow? or the normal glow? The bright glow is the program in the cake flowing through her. And the normal glow is her normal human glow. Nothing to do with her excitement. If so, look at the same moment in the movie i told you, the first part in code, when the waiter gives her the cake and it's in the middle of the table.
Please tell me that you don't believe that her normal glow is because of her excitement. If so, compare her glow to the other three (the waiter and the two other men) and you'll see that it's the same shade of brightness.
If your theory is right, about the excitement being the glow, then that means that the waiter's glow is because he's excited to give her the cake. And the other two men's glow is because they're excited that the cake has arrived at the table.
Now, doesn't your theory of the excitement seem stupid after hearing that? I can tell that you're not new at this (posting at forums), and that you've posted many messages (on this matrix forum) based on topics that either you like or on topics that you know roughly/extremely well, but the least you can do is admit that i'm right here.

spanishchriscantero wrote:

Many people are extremely angry and disappointed about the ending of the Matrix Trilogy (or should i say saga). I'm a big matrix fan and this is the first time i've written anything in a forum about it, but come on! All the people that spend countless hours infront of their tv/pc watching back-to-back matrix films, animatrix, playing games, etc couldn't see what i've seen? To start off, and it being a "neo's death" topiced forum, i'll say that i agree with the filosofy of other certain members who say that neo carried out his purpose (Smith being the virus and neo being the antivirus). I'm ok with that. But for example, throughout the film, whenever viewed in the matrix code or in neo's "golden matrix code vision" in Matrix Revolutions, every living organism had a glow. The agents, seraph, the machines (in matrix revolutions when trinity and neo go to the source), the glow in trinity when neo brings her back to life, etc. Can you honestly tell me that no-one noticed that same glow in neo when he's taken away after the final fight in matrix revolutions? Even though he seems dead, i believe he's in a state beyond death (similar to his "coma" at end of matrix reloaded). So, what other evidence do i have of there being another matrix? The very end of matrix revolutions. The Sunrise, meaning a new dawning, a new begining. I know that this isn't the forum for it but so many others have complained how the Wachowski Brothers had picked out every name very carefully. Neo meaning "the one", etc. But everyone complains about trinity. "Trinity is supposed to have three lives but she only lives twice!" That's all every one moans about. Does no-one think about the kiss in the Matrix (1999)? Neo is killed in the corridor in the Hotel "Heart o the City", Morpheus is devistated, but Trinity loses her fear and tells Neo that she loves him and gives him a kiss. Can no-one think that maybe, just maybe, Trinity gave one of her lives to Neo, thus solving the very poor riddle of the "Trinity and her three lives". One last enlightenment before i leave. Ok, there has been talk about the Marovingian being a former "one" but has no-one thought of seraph being a former one? In Matrix reloaded he is outlined with a strong aura/glow and golden like neo or smith. Neo is the one, Smith could be called a "counter-one", seraph could have been a "one". Think also that when He hides with saffi and Smith/s find him, he says "i have beaten you before" yet we've never seen him fight smith. And by the way, i don't know where, who ever he is, who got the idea of the Merovingian being the fifth "one" because there are five glasses in front of him in matrix reloaded. THERE ARE NOT FIVE GLASSES IN FRONT OF HIM! There are six, and if you look even closer, you can tell that three are his (just like everyone else in the table) and three are from the position of the table in which neo sits later. It was great sharing my wisdom with you and if anyone has any comments on what i have said or wants to criticise my filosofy (or the Wachawski Brother's for that matter) please do as i'm sure that i will have a perfectly reasonable answer which to reply back to you.

Good thought.

Thank you Da King. If i may ask, what part/s of that message do you agree with?

You should put some of your thoughts on this forum topic because it's been dead for the past 2 days.

I checked the scene and she's not glowing, except when she takes the desert, some part (and some part only) are tingling.

Also if you check the storyboards she's not glowing untill she eats the make-you-orgasm TM cake.

Dark Neo666 wrote:

okay so here we go. In the end of the third matrix as we all know Neo dies. but "how" you may ask? let me tell you. when Neo was talking to the Machine god/loed or w/e you wish to call him the machine god said "what if you fail"? and Neo said "I Wont". having said that lets get to the main part fo my topic. In the end when Agent Smith () "transforms" (if you will) Neo into another Smith you may notice that he twitches. This twitch is caused by the machines. so seeing as the machines knew that Neo has failed so they were they basically givin Neo the power to release himself from Smiths control thus killing Neo and all the Smiths. So there you have it! the meaning of Neo's death. if you wish to contact m,e further my hotmail is Stupid email address (and that is my msn so we can IM) adn my IM yahoo is Stupid email address hope to here from you!

I dont agree with this... Smith had to be deleted, the machines knew this, but because of his power they couldnt... and also because Smith still had a purpose. When Neo was killed, smith didnt have a purpose anymore, and had to be delted, and because Neo-Smith was directly wired to the Zero-One mainframe, and thus to Deus Ex Machina, he had a direct link and could thus force Smith to be deleted....

I'm new to this site but not matrix forums, and aside from all the spam-nudy-posts, the site looks awesome. Merivingian rocks, btw. Anyways, someone told me that trinity (and possibly Neo) were just programs? Shocking and incredibly depressing. I don't want to buy that, but how could that be true? I've digest how Neo and smith are polar opposites, how the Oracle set Neo up to fall in love with trinity and thus hold a serious connection to mankind (choosing the non-23-people-to-rebuild-zion option in the architect chamber), but how matrix v.6.0 was different from the previous 5 versions because, only because, of the agent smith duplicating anomaly? Thanks.