»The Choice of the Oracle.«

Understand why she made it.

gina rink wrote:

He's dragged into it by the Oracle (which is why he hates her). However, the keymaker is. But, neither were a part of the change. The only process that changed was he had to be shown that humans would use "hope" as strength and not a crutch. He had to see that individuals made these decisions.

That is certainly consistent with what the Oracle said about the only way to get to the future being together. She meant Merv and his kind as well.

And why did he need to be shown this? Is it related to how he once was as Persephone said? And is this part of the new worldview coming into focus in Rev.?

intell wrote:

Understand why she made it. That is certainly consistent with what the Oracle said about the only way to get to the future being together. She meant Merv and his kind as well. And why did he need to be shown this? Is it related to how he once was as Persephone said? And is this part of the new worldview coming into focus in Rev.?

I am of the opinion that the Merv is not a part of the system (or set of processes) of the matrix. This is why they're called exiles.

When she spoke of doing things together, I am confident it has more to do with understanding what to do with your power after you realize you have it. People who realize what the matrix is rarely free themselves instead they switch sides and become rebels. Rebellion leads to fighting...fighting leads to annihilation. So, the only way humans and machines will continue to exist is to free themselves.

(The following is not openly expressed in the movies) He needed to be shown that humanity's hope was not a crutch because the other Ones only felt a general "attachment" to humans. In other words, "I should save the humans because they (not including himself) need saving."

When his understanding of the matrix increased, his understanding of the real world increased. So, he was able to "hack" the real world. Now, he had a choice. He could become machine-like (make a decision based on past logic which would be to end the humans suffering by letting the annihilation to continue and start over) like the others or be compassionate and save the machines and the humans by eliminating the force that would eventually wipe them both out, the ego, Smith.

Persephone's comment refers to Merv mythology. But, it goes along the same line of thinking, i.e. taking sides.

I'm not sure that I understand the last question. Pls rephrase.

intell wrote:

And is this part of the new worldview coming into focus in Rev.?

gina rink wrote:

I'm not sure that I understand the last question. Pls rephrase.

Iow. Merv was taught a lesson about the fact that some humans would use their hope as a strength, Neo was taught to understand what to do with power after realizing he has it, and finally Deus Ex was taught that some humans will choose not to fight, but act out of "compassion" as you say. Is all this part of the Oracle's new world based on:

gina rink wrote:

the only way humans and machines will continue to exist is to free themselves.

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According to MxO, it would seem that the Merovingian DOES serve a purpose. Both he AND the Oracle are listed as Exiles, yet they both serve functions. So as always with the Wachowski's there are layers upon layers. Programs that are out of touch with their old jobs and are therefore Exiles, but have now found new jobs--yet retain their status in the system as Exiles. They are now tolerated as long as they don't make too large of waves. More and more, the Architect is forced to accommodate for human-like behavior--and not just from humans either.

But that't the point isn't it? They're tolerated and that's it. They don't serve a role in either the function of the matrix or the path of the one. They were never a problem when they stayed out of the way.

The Merv's involvement in MxO is because of the new version of the matrix, (4.0) that includes him as well. There are awakening humans who want to have nothing to do with the 2 sides of the previous war (or catch a kiss or two from Persephone, lol!)

intell wrote:

[ quote="intell"]And is this part of the new worldview coming into focus in Rev.?

Is all this part of the Oracle's new world based on:

gina rink wrote:

the only way humans and machines will continue to exist is to free themselves.

Yes and no. It's not the Oracle's "new world" although some would disagree. Just like the sun moving across the sky, the "new world" is going to come whether she does anything at all. All she's doing is unbalancing the equation (by giving Neo and his comrades a push in the right directions) long enough for the change to happen. With the belief that, he would do the right thing to free everyone (from themselves).

Now, no one knows what the outcome will be, but direction is a whole different issue. All the things you have mentioned lead Neo to "Know Himself" the main issue in the beginning and a concept revisited towards the end when he needed to know more. Knowing Thyself is the crux of his/everyone's story.

IMO, the more he knew about Zion's plight, the greater chance that he would do the "right" thing. In the end, he just bought everyone time.

gina rink wrote:

IMO, the more he knew about Zion's plight, the greater chance that he would do the "right" thing.

Exactly.

And that should answer Feral Boy's question in another thread:

feralboy wrote:

If they're diametrically opposed, why does the Oracle's Path of the One lead to the Architect?

Quote:

In the end, he just bought everyone time.

"How long do you expect this peace will last."

"As long as it can."

intell wrote:

But that't the point isn't it? They're tolerated and that's it. They don't serve a role in either the function of the matrix or the path of the one. They were never a problem when they stayed out of the way. The Merv's involvement in MxO is because of the new version of the matrix, (4.0) that includes him as well. There are awakening humans who want to have nothing to do with the 2 sides of the previous war (or catch a kiss or two from Persephone, lol!)

As Smith said "without purpose, we would not exist". Everything has a purpose in the Matrix ("we're all here to do what we're all here to do"), it's just that some purpose are official, others are not.
There are several layers of purpose, some purpose are kept secret, see the keymaker, he knew what his purpose was and yet he was considered an exile.

I may be way off here but I was thinking like this

If this is the 6th matrix as told to neo from the maker than she has done all of the same things befor geting the same results. on the time she helps neo she does something different hence a change in choice
I think befor she kept running from smith so he could not take her over
this time she let him take her over showing neo how he could un do him make any sence?