»Angelic Records from Paradise version of the Matrix«

Although not as noir-ish as The Detective Story, there are many similar aspects in M1, especially near the beginning. M2 and M3 pretty much left out that feeling, which was probably for the best.

On an unrelated topic, I've always thought of M2 as the movie that focuses on what can be done in the Matrix, while M3 focuses on what can be done in the Real. I'm not talking philosophically here, just talking about what the overall focus seems to be. After all the "Superman" stuff from M2 when I first saw it, I was actually looking forward to M3--which I knew would have more conflict in the Real. I always felt that things that happen in the Real create more suspense and drama for the viewer than stuff that happens in the Matrix. So while all the visual stuff the redpills can do in the Matrix is really cool and all that, I'm never really worried too much about them being in any actual danger.

CaptPostMod wrote:

Feral Boy wrote: The paradise version had angelic agents. I believe there was also a feudal Japan version with warrior monk agents. I've also heard of a version which closely resembled the 1999 version, but was set several years earlier. The agents in that system were SWAT team members. It's interesting to confirm that not all the cycles have been 1999. One point that springs to mind was in a thread quite some time back in which someone asked why the Detective story from the Animatrix had the aesthetic that it did (1940's noir world look and feel with archaized technology) which varied greatly from the films. Everyone generally panned the post and pointed out that differences were just artistic liscense. But I wonder a bit. There is also an Animatrix with a feudal Japan-style construct program running. We also assumed this Animatrix episode is set in the current cycle. But what if these were both set in past cycles? It would put an interesting spin on Trinity.

Yesterday I watched the making of the Animatrix episodes, and although the brothers have approved the stories and changed what they didn't like you clearly hear that it was the directors of the particular episodes choice to use the particular themes they used.

So.. maybe the Ws have approved them, but the setting of the episodes wasn't their idea. It's just the anime directors feeling.

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But what if these were both set in past cycles? It would put an interesting spin on Trinity.

Nah. Trinity isn't that old. The point is that Mr. Ash could have been thought of as a potential candidate for "the One". Because, once again, they broke their "rule" about age limits, which we see they do for very important reasons. But that's just speculation. Take it or leave it.

Guys, you're rehashing an old thread and presenting the same points. As I said, we already panned the idea the first time around as "artistic license" presenting itself in the episodes...

Just trying to introduce a little different (though ultimately flawed) way of approaching things for some fun. What if Trinity is older than we thought? What if she is not unique to the current Matrix? Why and how could that occur? Just some fun questions with some slight support.

CaptPostMod wrote:

Just trying to introduce a little different (though ultimately flawed) way of approaching things for some fun. What if Trinity is older than we thought? What if she is not unique to the current Matrix? Why and how could that occur? Just some fun questions with some slight support.

Aha.. Then just watch The Matrix Reloaded, you'll learn that there is someone called 'the One' at a fake world who is not sure what he must do and by the end of the film he learns that he is not anyone special, another method of control.

Then watch the Matrix Revolutions and see what Neo did and saved Humans, Machines and Programs. Near the end of the film you' ll hear the program Oracle saying that Neo will most probably come back.

Then watch the Matrix and learn the story about a guy Thomas A. Anderson that is a computer hacker and learns about the Matrix fake reality by Morpheus and Trinity. He is the One, he is back, he is the man born inside and he must destroy the Matrix to free humanity. So he fights with the program Smith that got Reloaded from the last time (in Revolutions) and destroys him.

End of the Trilogy! Ofcourse all of this is wrong, but just for the fun of it, think this way.

Ok, just read your info Feral. Blasted pain in the a*** I’m trying to settle down for the night (get some sleep) and you start opening Pandora’s Box!

This is very interesting, however I’m going to sleep on it. Perhaps I’ll dream about it!

Heh, heh. Sweet dreams, Inev!

lol

th3 p4th wrote:

End of the Trilogy! Ofcourse all of this is wrong, but just for the fun of it, think this way.

I like it And there's definitely threads in this forum to support your film chronology (search "Neo clone" or "when is the end of m1").

CaptPostMod wrote:

th3 p4th wrote: End of the Trilogy! Ofcourse all of this is wrong, but just for the fun of it, think this way. I like it And there's definitely threads in this forum to support your film chronology (search "Neo clone" or "when is the end of m1").

I know! They are fun! Now please people stick to the topic!

th3 p4th wrote:

I know! They are fun! Now please people stick to the topic!

I am. I'm pointing out that Feral has brought us evidence which contradicts the currently spread idea that the 5/6 (depending on how you count) previous versions of the Matrix featuring "The One" were all based on 1999. His records indicate that this is not true. So far we have evidence of-

Paradise Matrix
Dark Age Europe Matrix
Feudal Japan Matrix
Earlier 20th century Matrix
1999 Matrix

What does the realization that not all Matrix's previous to the current version and excluding the Paradise version indicate? What can be drawn from that? I lead off with a re-examination of the Animatrix episodes in this light. What are other directions our new found knowledge could be taken?

And for a fun source on the Grail--

sacred-texts.com...

**edit- Whoops! I meant to post this on the big M thread. Oh well!

CaptPostMod wrote:

th3 p4th wrote: I know! They are fun! Now please people stick to the topic! I am. I'm pointing out that Feral has brought us evidence which contradicts the currently spread idea that the 5/6 (depending on how you count) previous versions of the Matrix featuring "The One" were all based on 1999. His records indicate that this is not true. So far we have evidence of- Paradise Matrix Dark Age Europe Matrix Feudal Japan Matrix Earlier 20th century Matrix 1999 Matrix What does the realization that not all Matrix's previous to the current version and excluding the Paradise version indicate? What can be drawn from that? I lead off with a re-examination of the Animatrix episodes in this light. What are other directions our new found knowledge could be taken?

I think you might have a misunderstanding of a few things. First, try not to think of the passage of time as a "new" version. And there were only 3 matrixes mentioned by Arc. The 5/6 that you bring up only refer to the same matrix being visited by 6 messiahs who reinserted the prime program. I refer back to my previous posts on the subject.

The Paradise version seems pretty much in line with the words of both Smith and later the Architect about the first matrix created.

intell wrote:

I think you might have a misunderstanding of a few things. First, try not to think of the passage of time as a "new" version. And there were only 3 matrixes mentioned by Arc. The 5/6 that you bring up only refer to the same matrix being visited by 6 messiahs who reinserted the prime program. I refer back to my previous posts on the subject.

An interesting take on it... So you feel that each of these "eras" mentioned in the Pandora's boxes are simply different time periods seperated only by the passage of time and not by the emergence of a One and rebooting of the system?

What makes you feel this way? Do you then feel that all of human history repeats itself on each reboot?

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An interesting take on it... So you feel that each of these "eras" mentioned in the Pandora's boxes are simply different time periods seperated only by the passage of time and not by the emergence of a One and rebooting of the system? Do you then feel that all of human history repeats itself on each reboot?

The reboots have little effect on the progression of history. And I assume you mean, reinsertions of the prime program or cycles because they system can and has been shown to be rebooted more than one time per cycle, besides the fact that it is not stated as a matter of fact that the emergence of the One is necessarily followed by a reboot. As for the Pandora's boxes, the era's contained therein may correspond to the different matrixes created by the Architect (3 or more) and the parts of cycles during which a One emerged.

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What makes you feel this way?

"Thus I redesigned it, based on your history..."

The reason the films can make someone question whether we are in fact in a matrix is the fact that the matrix is designed to resemble the world as it is (or was). We don't separate periods of time in a definite event that changed an era into the next one. They just kinda fade into the next era, don't they?

Some better questions and reflections might focus on the fact that Neo has sophisticated computer equipment in his house but a phone like the one I had in the 70's. And think about why we haven't had a significant increase in technology as far as transportation is concerned in about a century. There are other things.

"There are many things about this world I do not understand." (Hamann)

ok