»The end of m1«

ok...

I dont appreciate my last post being deleted as it was quite informative. If you cant handle the truth of the matrix then dont be here. That is my take on this.

I have some astonding information which has just come into THE_FIRST_ONES camp lol. It consists of smith being destroyed at the end of m1..

So...

When smith is being possessed by neo at the end of m1 you will see that circular code is being inbedded in smith.. But when smith blows up all you see is squarish code. Plus smiths head blows off towards the screen..

So what you may say?

It means that the head of the 3 headed agent demon dog was destroyed, Not overwritten by neo..

So you see THE_FIRST_ONE isnt so silly after all..

If you dont believe me have alook for yourselves.

That is all

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

the 3 headed agent demon dog

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

So you see THE_FIRST_ONE isnt so silly after all.

I would have to say that you are quite silly, voff voff!

What is the 3-headed demon-dog?

I guess you're talking about the three agents, of which Smith is the head. But wha... uh...that's it.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

ok... I dont appreciate my last post being deleted as it was quite informative. If you cant handle the truth of the matrix then dont be here. That is my take on this. I have some astonding information which has just come into THE_FIRST_ONES camp lol. It consists of smith being destroyed at the end of m1.. So... When smith is being possessed by neo at the end of m1 you will see that circular code is being inbedded in smith.. But when smith blows up all you see is squarish code. Plus smiths head blows off towards the screen.. So what you may say? It means that the head of the 3 headed agent demon dog was destroyed, Not overwritten by neo.. So you see THE_FIRST_ONE isnt so silly after all.. If you dont believe me have alook for yourselves. That is all

Not deleted, but moved to the Redunant posts area. You can find it there and the reason I moved it is that you have said exactly the same things at another post of yours.

Now that's something new and I won't move it. I suppose you talk about Cerberus the 3 headed dod that guarded the gates of hades.. (It's not hard to figure out boys read some greek mythology! en.wikipedia.org...)

I don't understand what you mean when you are talking about circular code..

And Smith wasn't destroyed - deleted, that is only possible at the Source.

I will be more informative with this post.

You will see at the end of m1 when neo is inside of smith. You will see circular code embedding itself into smith..You know, those ball like thingys which are crawling into smiths body and then his head.
But when smith explodes, He explodes only into chunky squares.
Now if neo had written into smith. Wouldnt he have blown into circles and squares not just squares. Plus smiths head comes screaming off towards the screen. Showing that the head agent has been destroyed. Not sent to anywhere.

You see, The 0 destroyed the []

Have a look for yourselves

lol. ok.

Now where is this going?

Chit Chat and fun

Oh, I mean T_F_O's line of reasoning. Lol!

Whatever!

All that you have to understand is that you obviously dont have enough common sense to understand what is going on with the matrix..

Try opening up your eyes and your minds before you discriminate a fact. A fact that is undeniable..

Neo didnt overwrite smith in m1
He destroyed him...

If m2 does branch off m1 correctly, Then why isnt the code combined or fused or molded to be just as m2 states..

circular with cubes or any shapes, Not just cubes..

It shows that someone has done a switch on you and you havent noticed it. Not even with all the evidence and facts that I supply..

Wake up guys and realise the truth of the movie..

M1 was there first and it finished
m2 and m3 are a non sensical add on to it to confuse you And waste your time And your money..

I think that the smug grin that neo gives at the end of m1 is a big hint.. Also neo flys up into the sky like jesus did at the end of m1. It means that it was over

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

Also neo flys up into the sky like jesus did at the end of m1. It means that it was over

And Smith asked at the end of M3: "Is it over?"

You should reply to him: "4 years earlier!" or something..

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

Also neo flys up into the sky like jesus did at the end of m1. It means that it was over

Don't you mean that Neo flew up into the sky like Jesus supposedly did lol?

You don't really like the way M2 and M3 turned out so try to make it look as though they where made to decieve us or something. It turned out that it wasn't about destroying the Matrix, how is that a bad thing, really, why does it always have to be about the "good" side completely obliterating the "bad" side?

GhostTrax wrote:

You don't really like the way M2 and M3 turned out so try to make it look as though they where made to decieve us or something.

Not True. I Liked The Other 2 Movies, But I Agree With The Fact That They Are Just An Alternate Ending.

Tsukasa wrote:

But I Agree With The Fact That They Are Just An Alternate Ending.

Why do you say that? It was supposed to be a trilogy from from the beginning. I have to agree with what Ken Wilber said about not being able to understand the matrix without watching all three of them, they're a trilogy, a unit.

And if Rel and Rev are just an alternate ending, what happened after M1? Did Neo destroy the Matrix or what? I guess if you are one of those people that think the so called bad guy always has to die it is better to ignore Rel and Rev and just pretend Neo destroyed the Matrix.

GhostTrax wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: But I Agree With The Fact That They Are Just An Alternate Ending. Why do you say that? It was supposed to be a trilogy from from the beginning. I have to agree with what Ken Wilber said about not being able to understand the matrix without watching all three of them, they're a trilogy, a unit. And if Rel and Rev are just an alternate ending, what happened after M1? Did Neo destroy the Matrix or what? I guess if you are one of those people that think the so called bad guy always has to die it is better to ignore Rel and Rev and just pretend Neo destroyed the Matrix.

Since Your Big On Proof... So Me The Flow From The End Of M1 to begining of M2. they have no flow what so ever, unless u can prove me wrong.

Tsukasa wrote:

Since Your Big On Proof... So Me The Flow From The End Of M1 to begining of M2. they have no flow what so ever, unless u can prove me wrong.

How am I big on proof lol? I asked a question, since M2 and M3 where an alternate ending, do you think Neo really destroyed the Matrix?

At the end of M1 Neo had gained a great degree of control over the Matrix, he was the shit, his mind had been opened further, and he thought he was supposed to destroy the Matrix, but it must eventually have dawned on him, how was he supposed to do that?

Neo: I just wish I knew what I'm supposed to do.

It is made clear in a number of ways that Smith was destroyed at the end of M1: on the Revolutions DVD extras timeline and when Smith himself says it in M2 upon confronting Neo.

The point in question is that it was impossible “but happened anyway” which brings us back to the reason why we are here:

To be balanced at the Source

“How” it happened is not so important and at that point irrelevant

Every action has a reaction: cause & effect. Agents keep the balance that man has alienated himself to: in the film – The Machine, in reality (subtext) Nature… ergo forming the illusory 'Matrix' – a System of control (“they are the gate keepers, they are holding all the keys, guarding all the doors” -Morpheus).

The whole deal is to show that those laws are real and that no transgression of them goes amiss.

Salvation comes at a price.

Good point, Inev. And on the technical side, we have to remember that agents don't operate like human RSI's. Let's take the agent that Trinity shot in the head near the end of M1. Although the human most certainly died, the worst that happened to the agent was that he was temporarily without a human RSI to inhabit. Could that agent have come back and said to Trinity that she had killed him? From a certain point of view, definitely. Whether the agent comes back later is not the issue. For all intents and purposes, the agent is dead.

So what was so special about how Neo destroyed Smith at the end of M1? One major difference is that it somehow unplugged Smith from the system. At no other time does "killing" an agent achieve this. Symbolically, they are each other's negative. They are the same person, but represent different sides of the other. So it also follows that parts of each other are copied onto the other. They both begin their path of transcendance, with Neo avoiding the inevitable climax until he understands that he must give in and become one with Smith.

answer these 2 questions:

1) what was the purpose of the one in M1?

2) what was the purpose of the one in M2?

e.c.) what is the difference

Tsukasa wrote:

answer these 2 questions: 1) what was the purpose of the one in M1? 2) what was the purpose of the one in M2? e.c.) what is the difference

Well Neo was told that the purpose of The One was to free humanity and destroy the Matrix, when all along The One was just supposed to return to the source for the reload, so that was his purpose all along, like it was for the previous Ones. But we all know what was different this time around.

I respect all of your opinions, And I can see why you guys think that way.

The thing that I am trying to get across here is that M1 relates to this reality and maybe what lies beneath this system of control. M1 draws heavily on what exists within this reality and shows that david can beat goliath..
m1 uses religion, faerytale, Songs. mythology, And movies for inspiration.. M1 draws on this world, That is why The matrix was so believable and got you questioning its existence.. I dont believe any of you would have even gave the matrix a second look if it were not for the realism of m1.

M1 was different that is why is was so good. m2 and m3 are just a sub standard add on, They are a colourful faerytale. But if you have a good look they are not as pretty as you think.

Take the kid for example..

There is no way possible neo could of saved the kid the way that he did.. You need a pill and several people in the matrix for that. The story is just silly and it has plenty of loopholes. The holes cant be explained. And this is supposably an important part of the trilogy.
You could say that the kid believed his way out of the matrix. But you have to know that the matrix isnt real to do that, You also have to be free to have any control over your thoughts. Also there was no way that the kid just turned up under neos nose like that. It might look colourful. But dont waste your time on it

The matrix is about truth and it has the answers.
It would never make you unaware of what is going on..

The only way to figure out the matrix is to use common sense

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

The only way to figure out the matrix is to use common sense

Exactly! That's a good start my friend!

First One makes some good points about the holes and stuff. And Kid's rescue is not seen or elaborated upon in the films.

But I think First One and Tsukasa are stuck on M1 like some are stuck on the "old testament". There is war and a small underdog is able to rise up and defeat the ones who always had the upper hand. (if you want to use religious imagery)

But M2 and M3 get you to realise (like the "new testament") that all this was a MEANS to an end, not the end in itself. And it really gets you out of the black/white type thinking and makes you question not only the system of control as M1 did but also what it really means to be free of it. My guess is that some of you don't really appreciate being shown how you have unwittingly been part of the same thing you thought you were fighting against. It's a hard "pill" to swallow, I know.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

You could say that the kid believed his way out of the matrix. But you have to know that the matrix isnt real to do that

Well Neo didn't know that the Matrix wasn,t real, he suspected that that there was something seriously wrong with the world around him, as I'm sure the kid thought.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

Also there was no way that the kid just turned up under neos nose like that.

Kid: Neo!

Neo: How does he always know?

GhostTrax wrote:

Kid: Neo! Neo: How does he always know?

i think trinity said that...