»Morpheus' attempts before finding Neo«

In the game The Matrix Online, it is revealed that Morpheus found several potential candidates for the One before coming across Neo. Here's the quote I found from a player (and I have access to the original notes from the game, so I know it's valid):

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The Machine missions revealed that Morpheus had found several people that he thought were the One before he'd found Neo. The Machine missions focused on one in particular: an extreme athelet who could learn skills incredibly quickly, especially combat ones. He apparently had slight precognition as well. However, he had a huge ego and loved the idea of being everyone's savior. He didn't last very long. He fought Agents and died.

What I'm wondering is if the agents are designed to work as a filtering system so that only a person with good morals and a high potential for actually caring about humanity in a humble manner would be allowed to progress along the Path of the One. I don't recall finding any reason why this potential One was killed and Neo wasn't--at least as far as skills are concerned. Obviously it's all guesswork, but what if the Architect is overseeing everything, and whenever there is a potential who shows promise at first but then disappoints in the area of moral character, he strengthens the agents so that they can kill him?

It's either that, or it's even simpler: this guy died because he wasn't the One. But while that's a simpler answer, I find it a strange coincidence that all the previous Ones have ended up being people who cared about humanity. Contingent affirmation or not, there are some people who wouldn't give a rip no matter what kind of path they were led down.

Feral Boy wrote:

an extreme athelet who could learn skills incredibly quickly

Sounds like Dan davis? (sort of)

Deeindamatrix wrote:

Feral Boy wrote: an extreme athelet who could learn skills incredibly quickly Sounds like Dan davis? (sort of)

I wondered the same thing.

Hehehe. You know better than that.

"The One" is a role for someone that has that "contingent affirmation" for humanity and would also have that quality about him that people would look up to as a messiah figure.

Your sports star would probably not fit the bill.

As for a filter, Oracle keeps bringing up that "TEMET NOSCE" sign and that a person better know what he is without someone else telling him. Or else he just becomes Agent Smith's punching bag or Agent Brown's target practice.

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a strange coincidence that all the previous Ones have ended up being people who cared about humanity.

"...predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication..." (Arc)

No coincidence. Consequence.

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Architect is overseeing everything, and whenever there is a potential who shows promise at first but then disappoints in the area of moral character, he strengthens the agents so that they can kill him?

Ability to kill anyone is the default for agents. Ability to survive agents is something that has to come about somehow.

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why this potential One was killed and Neo wasn't--at least as far as skills are concerned.

They all were killed but only "One" came back and it had nothing to do with skill level.

intell, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you had an opinion on the subject!

So in your opinion, what caused the One to succeed where others failed?

i was under the impression that the machines don't know who are potential "ones". i mean agents don't always go for the one, they delete those who are aware of the matrix and those who are no need anymore.(i.e. Keymaker)

The agents don't know, but the Architect does. If you watch the interrogation scene of Neo early on in M1, you'll notice that the camera zooms into a monitor--a monitor that is strangely like the ones in the Architect's chamber. Then when we finally do get to the Architect's chmaber in the next movie, we see footage of Neo's entire life.

Feral Boy wrote:

The agents don't know, but the Architect does. If you watch the interrogation scene of Neo early on in M1, you'll notice that the camera zooms into a monitor--a monitor that is strangely like the ones in the Architect's chamber. Then when we finally do get to the Architect's chmaber in the next movie, we see footage of Neo's entire life.

ok, but the agents don't work for the arch, they work for the source

Tsukasa wrote:

Feral Boy wrote: The agents don't know, but the Architect does. If you watch the interrogation scene of Neo early on in M1, you'll notice that the camera zooms into a monitor--a monitor that is strangely like the ones in the Architect's chamber. Then when we finally do get to the Architect's chmaber in the next movie, we see footage of Neo's entire life. ok, but the agents don't work for the arch, they work for the source

You mean DeM?(Deus ex Machina?) No.. DeM is just.. DeM!

Everything that has to do with the Matrix is Architect's job.

th3 p4th wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: Feral Boy wrote: The agents don't know, but the Architect does. If you watch the interrogation scene of Neo early on in M1, you'll notice that the camera zooms into a monitor--a monitor that is strangely like the ones in the Architect's chamber. Then when we finally do get to the Architect's chmaber in the next movie, we see footage of Neo's entire life. ok, but the agents don't work for the arch, they work for the source You mean DeM?(Deus ex Machina?) No.. DeM is just.. DeM! Everything that has to do with the Matrix is Architect's job.

no, the architect is a program made in the image of the real architect to inform neo of his mission...

the real architect was human...

How did you come up to that? That doesn't make sense. Why would a human create the Matrix? And how could he? It would need of him to know some very advanced programming languages that the machines have created themselves. It's impossible.

th3 p4th wrote:

How did you come up to that? That doesn't make sense. Why would a human create the Matrix? And how could he? It would need of him to know some very advanced programming languages that the machines have created themselves. It's impossible.

...i haven't seen the animatrix in a while, but i thought they said a human created the matrix...and...do u know who programming languages work?

the arcitect is like rama kandra, he is a human form based program.

Tsukasa wrote:

th3 p4th wrote: How did you come up to that? That doesn't make sense. Why would a human create the Matrix? And how could he? It would need of him to know some very advanced programming languages that the machines have created themselves. It's impossible. ...i haven't seen the animatrix in a while, but i thought they said a human created the matrix...and...do u know who programming languages work?

I think I know what quote you're talking about. Was it this one from early on in the Second Renaissance Part I?

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Then man made the machine in his own likeness. Thus did man become the architect of his own demise.

I don't believe that the use of the word "architect" here is a coincidence. In a way, you are correct, because man was the cause that eventually led to his own entrapment within the Matrix. But as for the actual creator of the Matrix, it was the sentient program who calls himself the Architect.

I agree!

So do I.

tsukasa wrote:

i was under the impression that the machines don't know who are potential "ones". i mean agents don't always go for the one, they delete those who are aware of the matrix and those who are no need anymore.(i.e. Keymaker)

Every time we see an agent and Neo in the same place and time, the agent goes after Neo. But that is not all they go after, as you just mentioned.

But to reply to your first sentence, the machines couldn't care less about "potential ones" than they do about red-pills in general. The concern is the integral anomaly (the One), the saviour.

feral boy wrote:

So in your opinion, what caused the One to succeed where others failed?

Because the Source of his power is different from those others.

th3 p4th wrote:

How did you come up to that? That doesn't make sense. Why would a human create the Matrix? And how could he? It would need of him to know some very advanced programming languages that the machines have created themselves. It's impossible.

just so a programmer can clarify... All Programs are writen in binary, how ever other programing languages (i.e: qBasic, C++, Java, etc.) use human words and characters to make it easier for humans to understand it. These Are what we call assembly languages. When you write something in an assembly language, it needs to be "compiled". When the program is "complied", it is translated into binary code. So, it would only take one language.

Also, I could write one program in qBasic, and the same one in C++, they would turn out exactly the same, only the qBasic verison would take a shit load longer.

Tsukasa wrote:

th3 p4th wrote: How did you come up to that? That doesn't make sense. Why would a human create the Matrix? And how could he? It would need of him to know some very advanced programming languages that the machines have created themselves. It's impossible. just so a programmer can clarify... All Programs are writen in binary, how ever other programing languages (i.e: qBasic, C++, Java, etc.) use human words and characters to make it easier for humans to understand it. These Are what we call assembly languages. When you write something in an assembly language, it needs to be "compiled". When the program is "complied", it is translated into binary code. So, it would only take one language.

I write programs myself and computer science is what I study so I know all these. But remember Smith saying at M1(who has all the answers according to you): "Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world" So I guess they used more than one.

And you make a mistake by saying that Basic, C, Java and others are assembly languages! They are high - level programming languages while assembly is more low - level. (To say the truth C is very powerfull because she has some features of low - level languages)

But also think this: If the Machines evolved so that they can write advanced A.I programs then maybe they DON'T use binary. Because binary is for the stupid computers we have today and can't understand anything than 0 and 1! There is electricity or there isn't! And ofcourse the computers of today are not selfaware.

And what about all these symbols that you see at the Matrix code? It looks something bigger than binary!

Tsukasa wrote:

Also, I could write one program in qBasic, and the same one in C++, they would turn out exactly the same, only the qBasic verison would take a shit load longer.

It depends on the program. If it uses big arrays, dynamic memory control, arrays, then yes! Because qBasic has less capabilities. But anyway I can't understand what this has to do with the Matrix..?

And all the post of yours I can't understand why does it point that a human was the Architect at some point..

Keep thinking along those lines and I'll soon be posting about the gold code of M3!

I'll need your input once I let it out.

th3 p4th wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: Also, I could write one program in qBasic, and the same one in C++, they would turn out exactly the same, only the qBasic verison would take a shit load longer. It depends on the program. If it uses big arrays, dynamic memory control, arrays, then yes! Because qBasic has less capabilities. But anyway I can't understand what this has to do with the Matrix..? And all the post of yours I can't understand why does it point that a human was the Architect at some point..

There will always be a place in my heart for qBasic...
anyways, u said that it would need a high level program, but to be honest, well, let me explain it like this
Microsoft Excel has a "sum" function
You Could To The Same thing in qBasic, You would just have to write it yourself...

hi everyone...
i was wondering if there is a way for me to know the incidents that happened in the matrix online, if anyone can tell me the main things larry and andy wrote...

Here you go: mxoresource.com...

Feral Boy wrote:

It's either that, or it's even simpler: this guy died because he wasn't the One. But while that's a simpler answer, I find it a strange coincidence that all the previous Ones have ended up being people who cared about humanity.

I don't think that the Architect would have to amp up the agents in order to weed out a faulty potential One. The connection to humanity is built into the Path that is designed for the One. The Oracle sets Neo down a Path by which he must choose to sacrifice his own life for another's, bring another person to fall madly in love with him, and inspire a whole team of people to fight for him. An arrogant jerk given a similiar mission would ultimately fail at tasks like these and die with no kiss to bring him back.