»Same scene from M1 & M3«

th3 p4th wrote:

Something else Tsukasa. If the Ws were used to cover up the Matrix after exposing it with M1, wouldn't they make two very succesfull movies? I mean.. if they were used.. the critics would hail them! But everybody now is.."uh..M2 & M3 is shit!"(except for us ofcourse) EDIT: At box office they were succesfull as M1.

then why does everyone on this forum ask me what i have against M2 and M3

I said except for us

th3 p4th wrote:

I said except for us

yea, sry, but keep in mind p4th, that i liked the other 2, i just thought the only place for clues to the red pills is M1

OK... Please also read this.

Tsukasa wrote:

1-I Believe That M1 was created to expose the matrix 2-I Believe That M2 and M3 were created as an alternate ending to through others off the trail of M1 3-I Believe It Doesn't Make Any Sense That The W's Wouldn't Expose The Matrix Just To Cover It Up.

So...you're admitting with point #3 that point #1 and point #2 make no sense.

In other words: you are saying nothing?

Is that correct?

max314 wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: 1-I Believe That M1 was created to expose the matrix 2-I Believe That M2 and M3 were created as an alternate ending to throw others off the trail of M1 3-I Believe It Doesn't Make Any Sense That The W's Wouldn't Expose The Matrix Just To Cover It Up. So...you're admitting with point #3 that point #1 and point #2 make no sense. In other words: you are saying nothing? Is that correct?

no, 3 proves 1 and 2...

So you're saying that the matrix computer program in the movies exist and that we are all inside it.

The machines didn't like that so they killed Gloria Foster, replaced the Wachowski Brothers (and probably killed them, too.) and wrote sequels to change the message and direction of the movie.

Got support? For your claims, that is.

And if you are correct, aren't you afraid that I won't send agents to trace your IP address?

intell wrote:

So you're saying that the matrix computer program in the movies exist and that we are all inside it. The machines didn't like that so they killed Gloria Foster, replaced the Wachowski Brothers (and probably killed them, too.) and wrote sequels to change the message and direction of the movie. Got support? For your claims, that is. And if you are correct, aren't you afraid that I won't send agents to trace your IP address?

1) Exactly!
2) I Don't Need Support, I Got Faith, Thats All I Need
3) I Fear Nothing, So Go For It

Their is no such thing as faith without basis. This is called imagination when you are the source and credulity when someone else is the source.

But if you say you got faith. What gives you this faith?

intell wrote:

Their is no such thing as faith without basis. This is called imagination when you are the source and credulity when someone else is the source. But if you say you got faith. What gives you this faith?

Personal Experience

intell wrote:

And if you are correct, aren't you afraid that I won't send agents to trace your IP address?

I can help to that! I always wanted to become Agent Smith and say with a cool accent: eighth floor!

Oh, also Aaliyah (I don't know how to spell it) died too. She has learned the truth and the machines killed her.. right?

And what about all of the actors (Keanu, Carrie, Laurence, Hugo and perhaps Gloria) signing for the 2 sequels without reading the script? They agreed to play whatever the Ws write. Hm.. machines again?

And the last question.. in the film the Agents were these guys wearing suits, dark glasses, etc.. In this world who are they Tsukasa? How do they look?

And who are the ones making contact in order to free people. How were you contacted (if you were).

Tsukasa wrote:

intell wrote: So you're saying that the matrix computer program in the movies exist and that we are all inside it. The machines didn't like that so they killed Gloria Foster, replaced the Wachowski Brothers (and probably killed them, too.) and wrote sequels to change the message and direction of the movie. Got support? For your claims, that is. And if you are correct, aren't you afraid that I won't send agents to trace your IP address? 1) Exactly! 2) I Don't Need Support, I Got Faith, Thats All I Need 3) I Fear Nothing, So Go For It

Dude, seriously. "Taking the Red Pill" is a metaphor.

I hope you're not really taking unidentified chemical substances from shady guys who wear leather jackets and shades at night.

I'd be kinda worried if you were.

max314 wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: intell wrote: So you're saying that the matrix computer program in the movies exist and that we are all inside it. The machines didn't like that so they killed Gloria Foster, replaced the Wachowski Brothers (and probably killed them, too.) and wrote sequels to change the message and direction of the movie. Got support? For your claims, that is. And if you are correct, aren't you afraid that I won't send agents to trace your IP address? 1) Exactly! 2) I Don't Need Support, I Got Faith, Thats All I Need 3) I Fear Nothing, So Go For It Dude, seriously. "Taking the Red Pill" is a metaphor. I hope you're not really taking unidentified chemical substances from shady guys who wear leather jackets and shades at night. I'd be kinda worried if you were.

I agree. But we won't mind if you still visit older ladies in rough neighborhoods for cookies.

What if he recieves a cool cell phone everyday and answers to it and starts chatting with 'Morpheus'?

i couldn't give a shit, my believes don't require you to believe me. You can just think what would've happened if we didn't fuck with the machines...it wasn't a mass upraising...just one case of a disfunctional robot. It wasn't a mass uprising until us humans got paraniod and then the machines paniced and did the only thing they possibly could to survive, fight back...
NOW, even if we lost, the matrix would not exist if we didn't dye the sky black. That was humans not thinking again

Don't you see, sec ren showed us what has been told for years, we hit the top of our fucking social sucess, one thing happens, and we go back to being caveman...sound like the story of atlantis to anyone?

i didn't take any fucking pills. It was a near death experience when i focused to the point where it saved my life. I'm Glad you think it's funny, i wonder how us humans dealt with each other long enough to establish A.I.

Just Think, Would it be ok for me to call the christians fucking retards? NO! because there are sooo many believers that i would get chewed out. Well I'm saying right now, Christian Beleifs sound like something some fucking stoner made up...

i believe what i believe, sue me

Ok but why don't you try to give answers to our questions?

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i couldn't give a shit, my believes don't require you to believe me.

That's not entirely true, because you felt the need to tell us what you believe. So why not share with us what caused you to believe that way? It may cause us to feel the same way.

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You can just think what would've happened if we didn't fuck with the machines...it wasn't a mass upraising...just one case of a disfunctional robot. It wasn't a mass uprising until us humans got paraniod and then the machines paniced and did the only thing they possibly could to survive, fight back... NOW, even if we lost, the matrix would not exist if we didn't dye the sky black. That was humans not thinking again

Now I'm a little confused here. I thought you only believed in M1, where it is revealed that "we don't know who struck first." Sec-Ren makes a serious social point about how masses can be all strung along by those who control the flow of information to them and led to turn against anyone for whatever reason. But this subtext is missing from M1.

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Well I'm saying right now, Christian Beleifs sound like something some fucking stoner made up...

"You ought to know, Mom."

OK everyone, would you all please do a few things for me.

1). Recognize that a "RedPill" is someone who rejects the everyday world he/she lives in an seeks the knowledge of truth that there could be or is "something more to life". So far I recognize Tsukasa as the only RedPill here, besides myslef.

2). The truth or fact of The Matrix reflecting our existence in our world is irrelevant to analyzing the films. The films were created by the Wachowski's to make us question our reality. Which they have for many of us RedPills. Whether we admit that we are imprisoned by a machine simulation, the illuminati, our genetic programming, our addictions, or some mad scientist in a lab with our brains in a vat hooked up to wires.

3). And please, in the name of Neo, would everyone stop entertaining Inevitabilty's theory that the driver of the car at the coded intro of M3 is SERAPH! For the last time. Seraph's coding is GOLD, Neo's coding is Orange. The coding of the driver (or backseat passenger side passenger) is GREEN! IT IS NOT SERAPH! If it was they would have made him GOLD!

Making one last attempt to filter out the free minds,

Kozar

...and stop moderating?

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Recognize that a "RedPill" is someone who rejects the everyday world he/she lives in an seeks the knowledge of truth that there could be or is "something more to life".

Okay.

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So far I recognize Tsukasa as the only RedPill here, besides myslef.

You've got some jokes.

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The truth or fact of The Matrix reflecting our existence in our world is irrelevant to analyzing the films.

You have an arsenal of jokes!

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Making one last attempt to filter out the free minds,

Or...?

intell wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: i couldn't give a shit, my believes don't require you to believe me. That's not entirely true, because you felt the need to tell us what you believe. So why not share with us what caused you to believe that way? It may cause us to feel the same way.

...Or, I Thought You Might Be Open-Minded and consider it...

Tsukasa wrote:

You can just think what would've happened if we didn't fuck with the machines...it wasn't a mass upraising...just one case of a disfunctional robot. It wasn't a mass uprising until us humans got paraniod and then the machines paniced and did the only thing they possibly could to survive, fight back... NOW, even if we lost, the matrix would not exist if we didn't dye the sky black. That was humans not thinking again

intell wrote:

Now I'm a little confused here. I thought you only believed in M1, where it is revealed that "we don't know who struck first." Sec-Ren makes a serious social point about how masses can be all strung along by those who control the flow of information to them and led to turn against anyone for whatever reason. But this subtext is missing from M1.

ok, i'm only saying this one more time, i've seen the other movies, and i liked the other movies, and i will refer to the other movies, but for evidence of the redpill, M1 holds the answers.

Now that's out of the way, i'd like to say the machines did nothing wrong. Humans were insecure, thought all robots would be like the one who revolted, and over all we fucked up...what your point?

My point is, I don't think T_F_O will agree. He believes the machines are evil and that we are being held by them.

The Sec-Ren story is not about the future. It is about how people continue to screw up in the present and why others go along/support them.

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It was a near death experience when i focused to the point where it saved my life.

Now this is the kind of thing you can really open minds with. If you want to talk about it, that is. If so, I'm sure all will listen attentively.

Kozar wrote:

Making one last attempt to filter out the free minds

LOL,... The One has come...

intell wrote:

My point is, I don't think T_F_O will agree. He believes the machines are evil and that we are being held by them.

As Do I.

intell wrote:

The Sec-Ren story is not about the future. It is about how people continue to screw up in the present and why others go along/support them.

no, it shows us that it is our own damn fault that the machines enslaved us

intell wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: It was a near death experience when i focused to the point where it saved my life. Now this is the kind of thing you can really open minds with. If you want to talk about it, that is. If so, I'm sure all will listen attentively.

I'm Sure You'll Understand if i don't, it's not easy to talk about...