»School Homework on the movie Matrix.. Please help me.«

Hello, while I'm ashamed at the fact that I can't do my homework by myself, I have completely no idea what these questions are asking for. Would anyone give me a help? ( I have only watched the Revolutions. and my teacher expects that we have watched all three of the trilogy..)

Here are the questions:(I made the questions that were directly related to the Matrix bold face)

1. Why is sotry told in three parts? (I said something about the three parts being birth, life, death of a cycle..)

2. Why is the segment titled Revolutions? To what does this refer?

3. What is the difference between knowledge and belief? (have no idea how this connects to matrix)

4. Does knowledge depend on belief or belief on knowledge? (is there any connection with this and matrix?)

5. Which is the foundation of truth: belief or knowledge? (same as the ones above.. no idea how this relates to matrix)

6. What is the danger of isolating each, of valuing one more than the other? (Does someone get bullied and isolated in the movie Matrix?)

7. To what knowledge or belief systems does the movie allude?

8. Keep a list of all allusions: visual, textual, conceptual.

9. When is it true that Neo is the One?

I'm sorry that I sound like a guy who want to get his homework done without putting effort.. I did try to do this alone but searching through the net was useless... Please spare me.

ill have a whack at it

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1. Why is story told in three parts? (I said something about the three parts being birth, life, death of a cycle..)

I think that is correct

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2. Why is the segment titled Revolutions? To what does this refer?

Becuase a revoultion is a cycle

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3. What is the difference between knowledge and belief? (have no idea how this connects to matrix)

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4. Does knowledge depend on belief or belief on knowledge? (is there any connection with this and matrix?)

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5. Which is the foundation of truth: belief or knowledge? (same as the ones above.. no idea how this relates to matrix)

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6. What is the danger of isolating each, of valuing one more than the other? (Does someone get bullied and isolated in the movie Matrix?)

unbalencement?

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7. To what knowledge or belief systems does the movie allude?

Christianity, Hinduism, Buddisam, Jewish

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8. Keep a list of all allusions: visual, textual, conceptual.

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9. When is it true that Neo is the One?

Well either at the end of m1 when he dies or when he meets the architect. I would go for the first one because the oracle siad he was waiting for his next life.


Sorry i couldnt be any help, am so happy when i did matrix at school i didnt have to answer questions like these.

Actually it's TWO parts, Reloaded and Revolution are really one movie but theaters don't like 4 hour movies. They want more turnover and cash flow.

The Coppertops must be ripped off.

psikeyhackr

ps - Do you really expect me to answer that many questions?

kid i got your answers, but i don't got time right now

i'll be back...i always come back

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4. Does knowledge depend on belief or belief on knowledge? (is there any connection with this and matrix?)

Knowing and believing are two different things. If you know then you don't need to believe. If you believe it is because you don't know.

There is a problem with people using language though. They will often say believe when actually they know and say know when they merely believe. And then there is the third possibility involving uncertainty. Maybe there is some evidence indicating that a certain thing might be true but not enough to be totally conclusive. It would be reasonable to say suspect but people don't use that word very much. Sloppy language leads to sloppy thinking.

psikey

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3. What is the difference between knowledge and belief? (have no idea how this connects to matrix)

Knowledge is fact and can be proven true. It takes nothing what so ever to accept knowledge because you know it's true. Belief takes courage to stand or fall for what you believe in. belief differs because with belief comes risk and faith. the fact the machines were digging was knowledge, the profiecy is a belief

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4. Does knowledge depend on belief or belief on knowledge? (is there any connection with this and matrix?)

Knowledge depends on belief because claiming something as fact is considered to be a belief in itself. you see, because someone gave you proof of this knowledge doesn't mean the proof is the truth. I could sit here and tell you that my shit is purple and tastes like rainbow sherbert, and you could believe me and consider it knowledge, or you could believe other wise.

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5. Which is the foundation of truth: belief or knowledge? (same as the ones above.. no idea how this relates to matrix)

As Stated above, you cant have knowledge without belief, so it would be believe.

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6. What is the danger of isolating each, of valuing one more than the other? (Does someone get bullied and isolated in the movie Matrix?)

i dunno, i would say the keymaker kinda got bullied and choose to help the humans...but that might be a stretch

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8. Keep a list of all allusions: visual, textual, conceptual.

...you go ahead and do that one, it's your assignment after all, not mine. i know some, but i don't wanna do all the work

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9. When is it true that Neo is the One?

poor child there are too many conflicting theories to even confirm that neo was the one... so for this one i expect you to do what the oracle does, i expect you to make up your damn mind.


Hope i helped

3. What is the difference between knowledge and belief? (have no idea how this connects to matrix)

Belief requires faith and exists when there is a lack of knowledge. Once knowledge exists belief falls away.


4. Does knowledge depend on belief or belief on knowledge? (is there any connection with this and matrix?)

I just looked at my initial answer and realized that I didn't really answer the question clearly. It seems to me that they are mutually exclusive to each other. As stated before, belief would only exist in the absence of knowledge. If you have knowledge then there is no need to believe. If all you have is a belief then you haven't obtained the knowledge that your belief is truth.

Having said this, I can give you some examples where I totally contradict myself, so I guess for me the questions you were given are too general. They would be easier for me to answer if they were more specific.

Here's what I'm talking about...I "know" how to bake. I have made banana bread many times, so I guess you could say that I also "know" how to bake banana bread. But, I don't know how it is going to turn out every time I bake banana bread. Every individual instance that I bake banana bread I "believe" that it is going to turn out the way I want it, but I never really "know" how it is going to turn out. I may burn it. There may be any number of things with the ingredients or even the tools I use or the location where I bake it that might produce an unexpected, "unknown" outcome, but each time I go through the motions of following the recipe I do "believe" that the results are going to be what I expect.

I hope you don't end up more confused from this than you started! lol


5. Which is the foundation of truth: belief or knowledge? (same as the ones above.. no idea how this relates to matrix)

(This one ought to get an interesting response from your teacher. If you think there is a possibility that you'll have to further explain yourself and you don't understand what I'm saying here then you might not want to use this answer)...

Depending upon the perspective you take and how you choose to define "truth", you could say that there is no inherent, absolute truth to anything...that there is only an individuals perception of what is true. For example, a book on the history of America written by (European)Americans is likely to be very different from one written by Native Americans. Each book is believed to contain true, factual information, but it is entirely based upon the perceptions of those writing the book.

Another example: 15 people could witness a crime. When the police come to interview those people it is very likely that they get very different stories. Each person will likely swear that they are telling the truth and each one could be...because they each saw the crime through their own eyes and perceived what they saw based upon filtering the information through their own mentalities.

Now, if you just want the generalized, simple answer, knowledge should be the foundation of truth because, again, belief only exists in the absence of knowledge. (I used the would "should" above because very often in our society people believe things so strongly and for so long that at some point people tend to accept belief as truth. This is very often seen in scientific explainations of all sorts of things).


6. What is the danger of isolating each, of valuing one more than the other? (Does someone get bullied and isolated in the movie Matrix?)

I don't see any danger in isolating belief from knowledge. In fact I see that there is great benefit in doing so. If you were going to build a house, would you want to know the geology of the foundation under which the house is going to be built? You have the option of going ahead and building the house with the belief that the foundation is solid...or you could have a geologic survey done and take core samples so that you can know that you're building on a solid foundation.


7. To what knowledge or belief systems does the movie allude?

I would say that the answer to this is entirely dependent upon the viewer. My experience so far is that you could pick just about any knowledge or belief system and find an example of it in this movie. It's entirely based upon the individual and what they get out of the movie.


8. Keep a list of all allusions: visual, textual, conceptual.

I'm not exactly clear on what this is asking for.



9. When is it true that Neo is the One?

That depends. You could it say that it becomes true once Neo fully attains the awareness and experience of being the One. You could also say that he was always the One. Just because he wasn't consciously aware of it doesn't mean the potential didn't always exist within him.

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Belief takes courage to stand or fall for what you believe in.

Is the courage to fall for a belief that turns out to be false any different from the courage to fall for a belief that happens to be true?

How do you distinguish a belief that is stupid from one that is not? Does this mean that since belief does not require evidence that there is no such thing as a stupid belief?

psikey

So let me get this straight, your homework is to watch the movie trillogy... and you're too lazy to watch it? I can understand watching it and being confused, but at least watch the films, you might actually like them. God help you if you have only seen revolutions, because without seeing the first two films any meaning it has is much harder to discern. At least watch the first film... that film alone could anwser most of those questions as their are parts that specificlly dive into those topics.

psikeyhackr wrote:

Quote: Belief takes courage to stand or fall for what you believe in. Is the courage to fall for a belief that turns out to be false any different from the courage to fall for a belief that happens to be true? How do you distinguish a belief that is stupid from one that is not? Does this mean that since belief does not require evidence that there is no such thing as a stupid belief? psikey

exactly! although stupid is a childish word , a belief would not be considered "stupid" until after it is proven wrong, in which it has no reason to be believed in anymore.

That's exactly the point of Psikey's post. But who is to say that a belief doesn't require evidence. Most things that anyone would say they believe is BASED on some reason that to them seems sufficient to do so. So you could say that all belief is based on evidence and that it is the interpretation or misinterpretation of this evidence that leads to truth or misleads from it.

richmi wrote:

I don't see any danger in isolating belief from knowledge. In fact I see that there is great benefit in doing so. If you were going to build a house, would you want to know the geology of the foundation under which the house is going to be built? You have the option of going ahead and building the house with the belief that the foundation is solid...or you could have a geologic survey done and take core samples so that you can know that you're building on a solid foundation.

Actually your example shows the benefit of using both knowledge and belief in the "appropriate" instances to accomplish something. One must still put some measure of belief in the core samples, among other things.

As to how belief and knowledge relate to the matrix, check out the final conversation between Seraph and the Oracle.

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5. Which is the foundation of truth: belief or knowledge?

Neither one. Truth doesn't require a foundation. Belief and knowledge better be based on truth, however.

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6. What is the danger of isolating each, of valuing one more than the other?

Valuing belief above knowledge leads to dissillusionment like Morph when the Neb was destroyed. Valuing knowledge above belief leads to no risks being taken even when they should be. Like Neo's final choice. Or the Oracle's. Keymaker's. ETC.

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7. To what knowledge or belief systems does the movie allude?

You should be able to pick up a few from Rev. like Karma, Love, cause-and-effect, EMP's, and such.

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8. Keep a list of all allusions: visual, textual, conceptual.

Since no one who knows said anything, I'll take this one.
Visual - 101, IS5416, the colours of the machine world, the matrix, and the "real world", the clothes of the characters, the book, Simulcra and Simulation

Textual - Names such as Zion, Nebuchadnezzar, HAMMER, Logos, Smith, Architect, Oracle, Morpheus, Niobe, Trinity, The Merovingian, Persephone, Neo.

Conceptual - Karma, "every story you ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens...", The prophecy of the One, "your next life", selecting 23 individuals to rebuild Zion.

And so many more.

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9. When is it true that Neo is the One?

Before the films start.

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although stupid is a childish word

Why, because people respond to it childishly?

psik

psikeyhackr wrote:

Quote: although stupid is a childish word Why, because people respond to it childishly? psik

...Do You Consider My Response To Be Childish?

Remember, I'm Red Pill, And With My Experiences there no way of making me change that

If you don't have a reasoably coherent explanation why the word stupid is inherently childish, YES.

There is a curious thing about people claiming to be Red Pills. In the movie the Zionists didn't just walk up to anybody on the street and ask them to choose between a red xor blue pill. Even people who might have chosen the blue pill had to meet some standards to be offered the choice. Most of the people in The Matrix didn't even qualify as Blue Pills.

psikeyhackr

indeed... stupid is only childish when used as a lame putdown to a response... and even then... the word childish itself must be put into question because I'm not sure I really believe that children are not capable of knowing and learning right and wrong without them haveing to be told. I think children are much more capable then society generally gives them credit for, but society has an intrest in molding them to fit it's norms, thus the "childish" behavior. Otherwise it is just another word to describe a condition or behavior, and that is all.

However psikey... in the films the zionites often refered to those who lived in the matrix as "blue pills"... like morpheous asking for a search of the matrix for neo.. "nope... nothing but blue pills." Basically, you have to discover that you even have a choice to make, that something is wrong with the world, before you can even make a choice. Otherwise you are a blue pill by default, which is not what we normally relate to concious choice... although I'm sure many if given the choice conciously would think you were crazy and throw the pills in your face. Which might be why so many people think psikey is nuts... although he appears to be perfectly sane, just slightly eccentric.

Both of you guys are "all right" in my book.

Or as RainKing once told me,
"Red or Blue?
Silly white rabbit. [the ma]trix is for kids!"


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The Ministry of the Awakened, cometh!

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although he appears to be perfectly sane, just slightly eccentric.

Only slightly?



psikey

ps - Kill Bill is a strangely cool movie. All style no meaning.

ok, i understand the whole childish thing...my bad

but listen theres nothing wrong with being red pill...if anything i thought i was the crazy one...

Well if it makes you feel better, someone once offered me the red pill and I disrupted my input/output signals, too.

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Well if it makes you feel better, someone once offered me the red pill and I disrupted my input/output signals, too.

Your Not Serious Right?

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...if anything i thought i was the crazy one...

One of The Matrix quotes that really shook me when I first heard it was:

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Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

No doubt reading sci-fi since I was 9 affected my perspective. But this world full of mundanes alias Blue Pills looks pretty wierd. The Matrix came out the month after I first put this:

wow, umm...that just weird

my experience is different, but same concept.

I mean i've checked, i don't have clincial paranioa, but what if the movie was put there to make you think, "It's Just A Movie, There's No Way its Real" It's Reverse Phycology, and i know all about that

what clas are you taking and where, i want it!

...dude, i started the last one back up and even i'm saying let this thread die...

dhksrl wrote:

1. Why is sotry told in three parts? (I said something about the three parts being birth, life, death of a cycle..)

The Holly Trinity
the father
the son
and The Holly spirit

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2. Why is the segment titled Revolutions? To what does this refer?

"A Revolution of the mind" from Vanilla Sky
A Revolt against the machines

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3. What is the difference between knowledge and belief? (have no idea how this connects to matrix)

Morpheous beliefs that Neo is the One that will Save Zion.
After Neo freed Morpheous from the agents and saved Trinity from the helicopter morpheous Knew that Neo was the One.

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4. Does knowledge depend on belief or belief on knowledge? (is there any connection with this and matrix?)

We believe that the history book are true.
" History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napoleon Bonaparte

People in the matrix believe that their world is real or they think they know their world is real.

Neo knows that the Matrix is not real.

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5. Which is the foundation of truth: belief or knowledge? (same as the ones above.. no idea how this relates to matrix)

The Foundation of truth is believe.
When we are young we believe that Santa is real.
Later we Know that Santa is made up.

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6. What is the danger of isolating each, of valuing one more than the other? (Does someone get bullied and isolated in the movie Matrix?)

With Religion you have to just Believe that your God is real.
Neo is told by Morpheous that he is the Savior.

You should question wether your knowledge or believe is true.

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7. To what knowledge or belief systems does the movie allude?

A Belief System. They believe the prophesy that Neo is the Savior.

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8. Keep a list of all allusions: visual, textual, conceptual.

Neo = My personal Jesus
Oracle = Prophesies
Smith = Evil
Merovingian = Descendant of Jesus Christ
Zion = Jerusalem
The Machines = government
Agents = CIA
Trinity = Symbol of the holly trinity
The Matrix = the Holly Bible

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9. When is it true that Neo is the One?

When Neo Sacrifice him self to save Zion