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[Enter The Matrix] Ghost (about training fights): "You're not bad, just a little distracted." Trinity: "Yeah... I suppose so. Made a mess of your garden."
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FoolForTheGods
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Smith: New Variable, or Old Variable?
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Was Smith the negative One in the previous reloads?
OR is he a brand new variable, created because Neo fell in love with Trinity and chose not to reload at the source?
I think that Smith has been aware that there have been reloads, but was just going along with it. Until Neo killed him in M1. After that, it was absolutely decided that Smith was going to be killed/war between machines and man would end.
Notice how there are no agents in M3, and Smith really isn't that huge of a threat in M2? Because in M2, up until Neo chooses not to comply with neo being the 1 in the "false prophecy", the system was the -1. Then when he chooses not to, Smith becomes the -1, and the war the entire equation.
Give me your thoughts!
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Inevitability
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666+ posts
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Location: There's nowhere I can't go, there's nowhere I won't find you
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The fact that Smith acknowledges that this has been happening before as well as the Arch exclaiming WE have become exceedingly proficient at it (Zion’s destruction) as well as common knowledge about Exiles, targeting them etc all points to a much bigger picture (anomaly) than something just kept secret between the Arch, Oracle and the like.
Nah… this problem has been going on since the Matrix was first built and ‘Smith’ as much as any Agent (think about what ‘agent’ really means) is a facet of Mans rebellion (nemesis) imprinted onto the machines, determined as much as alienated in destroying humanity altogether. What it means to be human is what repulses him so much.
So I really believe that when he’s after Zion’s access codes, he’s after drilling out the last remaining refuge of Mankind’s Hope –you know the place… "near the earth core", where it’s still warm (what’s left inside).
"Don’t you understand? Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here." Period. ~he is the darkness spreading, the end coming –death (Oracle) "The Alpha of your omega – the beginning of your end."
Zion is an anomaly the Architect has been unable to eliminate despite his sincerest efforts. Something of which frustration is vented and revealed by the agents of that system of control as well as his own failings.
M1
"And you are…
~A Smith
You all look the same to me (Morpheus)
Look past the flesh, the appearance…
That’s right, there’s nowhere I cant go, nowhere I wont find you…
Not imposable…
INEVITABLE.
Mankind’s nemesis, always on the attack until Neo finally destroyed him through sacrifice – the purpose and major plot to the whole story.
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Another Smith poster!
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Location: Unplugged and moving forward
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Quote: | | Simply because the agents at the end of M1 are surprised that Neo stands up and stops bullets. So they never met a true anomaly before. |
That's right. They've never encountered one like this one. Neo is totally different. And this resurrection is likely a first.
Quote: | | And Smith wouldn't be making such a fuss about obtaining the code to the Zion mainframe if he knows that Zion is going to go down anyway. |
There's a big difference between Zion going through a periodic recycling and a permenant destruction. There is nothing temporary or cyclical about what he is trying to do.
Quote: | | The only thing that could be is that Smith gets reloaded/recompiled too during a reload and his memory is wiped blank. |
Hmm. That may not be true either. All the agents in MxO seem to have their memories intact although there was a major reload in Rev. So it stands to reason that Smith could be drawing from centuries of personal experience.
Quote: | | We know that he says something in the alley that might imply that he has knowledge about previous cycles, but we can't be sure. We don't know if he was resurrected by someone or not. We also don't know to whom he talked (maybe the Architect? Maybe the Merovigian?). And maybe he got the information by assimilating programs. We know that if he assimilates a human or a program he acquires their knowledge. |
He knew about the previous Matrices before he started copying himself over anyone. The fact that he knows about it overshadows HOW he came about this intel. The knowledge is why he does what he does. He thought that his goals would be achieved by his work within the system. But when it became apparent that they would not be achieved this way...
Quote: | [Matrix Revolutions]
Neo: "The program Smith has grown beyond your control. You cannot stop him, but I can" |
What Inev just said should clarify things.
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