»Why couldn't the Source/System delete Smith without Neo...«

Why couldn't the Source/System delete Smith without Neo...?

The reason i often hear is that the system/source couldn't delete Smith because he had no link with the system and through Neos assimilation Smith (all his instances) could finally be pinpointed and deleted since Neo was connected with the Source at that time.

But did the System/Source really needed Neo to delete/defeat Smith? If the absent of a link with the Source was preventing Smith to be deleted....couldn't the System/Source solve that problem without Neo? For example by letting another program or person already connected with the Source be assimilated by Smith? For example the architect, or one of the system agents (who abviously are linked with the system), or simply plug a new person in the matrix...

Neo's role to solve the Smith dispute somehow looks minor to me.
It seems to me that just feeding anybody (who is connected through the Source system) to Smith would suffice (to pinpoint Smith).

And if Smith was such a threat,...couln't they just reset or power off the matrix (the machines already hinted that they didn't really needed the matrix for survival)?

Just some questions...

The Source didn't destroy the Smith. Neo used his powers to do so. He absorbed him and channeled power into himself and destroyed the program and his own RSI.

intell wrote:

The Source didn't destroy the Smith. Neo used his powers to do so. He absorbed him and channeled power into himself and destroyed the program and his own RSI.

That theory definately explains a lot.
But it makes the end-fight pretty useless (all Neo had to do was sacrifice himself to get rid of himself and Smith).


In the end all that Smith wanted was to kill/assimilate Neo and so destroy himself?
In a way it kind of makes sense since he multiple times stated that he hated the Matrix and wanted to get his job done and get out of the matrix (see Matrix 1 talk with Morpheus).
But why as Bane try to kill Neo (that way Smith wouldn't be able to assimilate him and get out)?

And if you think Neo destroyed Smith (and not the Source),...then how do you explain the electric surges the Source sent right through the plugs in Neo right after he was assimilated?

I wonder if the W. Bros thought of that.

I wonder if the W. Bros thought of that.

The Matrix needs Neo's code to reboot the Matrix. It wouldve happened when he went to the source but Neo chose door number two.

When he gets copied over by Smith, the machines have a direct link to most of the Matrix because Smith had taken it over, and a link to Neo's code as well, giving them the perfect opportunity to revert the Matrix.

FoolForTheGods wrote:

The Matrix needs Neo's code to reboot the Matrix. It wouldve happened when he went to the source but Neo chose door number two. When he gets copied over by Smith, the machines have a direct link to most of the Matrix because Smith had taken it over, and a link to Neo's code as well, giving them the perfect opportunity to revert the Matrix.

Yes, but if you believe that end-theory then you also agree with my first post (namely that the machines didn't necessarily need Neo to deal with Smith. Any person/program linked with the source would suffice)?

(For example by letting another program or person already connected with the Source be assimilated by Smith? Like the architect or one of the system agents (who obviously are linked with the system), or simply plug a new person in the matrix and keep the link while assimilated...)

The end fight was useless, except only that it was neccessary for Neo to reach his "Satori" moment. Neo realizes this at the very end, if he had come into the fight knowing this the film would have ended without all the special effects lol.

As for Smith, he wanted to destroy everything. Killing Neo is the means to that end. He is the only thing standing in his way.

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And if you think Neo destroyed Smith (and not the Source),...then how do you explain the electric surges the Source sent right through the plugs in Neo right after he was assimilated?

Neo is the one using the source. He uses it to short circuit sentinals, bombs, ect. So... you take Neo... channeling the source through the wires into himself.

The fight was necessary...for the audience first of all as Hex said, for the sake of entertainment.

Second of all, because fighting is how people generally believe problems can be solved. Fight for your right, fight evil, fight injustice. The satori is that this is useless. But unless we see Neo try it first, we wouldn't know that its useless. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

And the end of Smith was NEO'S DOING. Just thought I'd squeeze that in.

intell wrote:

The fight was necessary...for the audience first of all as Hex said, for the sake of entertainment. Second of all, because fighting is how people generally believe problems can be solved. Fight for your right, fight evil, fight injustice. The satori is that this is useless. But unless we see Neo try it first, we wouldn't know that its useless. I hope I didn't confuse anyone. And the end of Smith was NEO'S DOING. Just thought I'd squeeze that in.

Right. Neo sacrifices himself and let Smith assimilate/overtake himself (since Neo had the ability to resist Smiths assimilation-ability it was Neos choice to be assimilated) to then destroy himself and Smith.

But if Neo (and the Oracle) knew this was the way to end Smith then you could assume that Smith knew that aswell with the Oracle already assimilated (assimilating Neo would fulfill his purpose and end his program). Did Smith assimilate Neo delibarately to end his purpose/program (As he said it himself "Mr Anserson,..i really should thank you for it afterall it was your life that taught me the purpose of all life. The purpose of life is to end")? If the answer to that question is yes,....then i don't understand the role of Bane (the real-world Smith). If Bane killed Neo in the real-world then Smiths program probably would never have a way to end (as his opposite could not be assimilated).


From your posts i now also begin to see the purpose of the fight: Smith couldn't just assimilate Neo. From his standpoint he had to break Neos spirit in combat so that Neo would voluntarily be assimilated seeing that Smith could not be stopped otherwise. And Neo probably just had to try and see if Smith could be stopped in another way besides the ultimate self-sacrifice.

The Oracle didn't know... she knew it would lead to an end, to which end she could not see. Which is probably the reason for Smith's confusion, then he does it anyway. And Neo didn't know either (untill the very end), he had to fight and hear the Oracle's words to finally realize that he had to let it end.

Smith is trying to kill Neo, this is very simple. He thinks he is basically accomplishing this when he assimulates him. He is not done, his purpose is not fullfilled once he has done this. He wants everything to end, the entire machine world and the matrix. Thus the "no no no, it's not fair" comment. If bane had killed Neo in the real world, Smith would have destroyed everything.

intell wrote:

Second of all, because fighting is how people generally believe problems can be solved. Fight for your right, fight evil, fight injustice. The satori is that this is useless. But unless we see Neo try it first, we wouldn't know that its useless.

Exactly. Neo thought the answer was to defeat Smith. If Neo didn't hear The Oracle say "Everything that has a beginning, has and end", that fight could of gone on forever....literally! He would of NEVER "given up"

Neo and Smith were one in the same. It was impossible for one to defeat the other. They continually balanced each other out. There's a lot of Yin Yang symbolism during that fight....especially when the are in the air holding on to one another spinning around. They were basically forming the Yin Yang symbol right in front of our face.


So, not only was the scene for entertainment, it was also for the audience to watch Neo gradually learn the truth.