»What's the deal with that fluid mirror in 1?«

I have a brain sometimes for this stuff, but this one's got me zonked.

I don't get the mirror. I see imagery and symbols connected to it, but logically... what the heck is going on here?

SEQUENCE
The red pill is helping Apoc find his body in the plant.
The mirror mends itself together.
"Did you..." asks Neo.
He touches the mirror and his fingers dip into it.
The fluid sticks to his fingers and starts inching up and down his body.
The fluid is cold and silver.
Morpheus talks about the dream world and the real world.
"It's going into replication." says Trinity.
Apoc still searching.
"He's going into arrest." she says later.
They lock on him in the plant.
The fluid covers him inside and out.

What in the heck is that? Were they planning on him touching that mirror and being covered by its contents like taffy? Why was he going into arrest? Was that part of the trace program? Did the pill cause the matrix to start losing its credibility before him or what? Sorry, but that's one of those things that look "out there" in ths series.

Throw out your thoughts.

I think it was just part of the awakening process. Something like that would freak anyone out to the point where they finally realize and know that their life isnt quite how they imagened it to be. I guess it would give the person somekind of signal or trigger of being freed. Like in World Record in the Animatrix.

Marsoullis wrote:

I have a brain sometimes for this stuff, but this one's got me zonked. I don't get the mirror. I see imagery and symbols connected to it, but logically... what the heck is going on here? SEQUENCE The red pill is helping Apoc find his body in the plant. The mirror mends itself together. "Did you..." asks Neo. He touches the mirror and his fingers dip into it. The fluid sticks to his fingers and starts inching up and down his body. The fluid is cold and silver. Morpheus talks about the dream world and the real world. "It's going into replication." says Trinity. Apoc still searching. "He's going into arrest." she says later. They lock on him in the plant. The fluid covers him inside and out. What in the heck is that? Were they planning on him touching that mirror and being covered by its contents like taffy? Why was he going into arrest? Was that part of the trace program? Did the pill cause the matrix to start losing its credibility before him or what? Sorry, but that's one of those things that look "out there" in ths series. Throw out your thoughts.

They are references to Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass

Hidden Christian messages (not positive messages)

Never thought of that one, Vinci -- very good, I like that a lot.

Meanwhile, on a literal level, I agree Exodus that it was the matrix materializing before Neo, that "reality" losing its believability.

I suppose he could've been approaching cardiac arrest through fear.

I Wondered This For A Long Time, But I Took It As This:

Red Pill + Apoc = Find His Body In The Power Plant
Mirror + Cardic Arrest = Immideite Evacuation From The Matrix

Kinda Dramatic Death Though

Hehe, no favors in here, fella. Say what you want to say when you want to say it, never out of obligation .

But more power to ya.

P.S. your handle makes me hungry for greek food...

There is a recuring theme in all this Religious fantasy stories

and That is

The Real World and
The Fantasy World

What do they represent?

The Real World represent the world in witch Jesus Christ realy existed.

The Fantasy World is The Holy Bible ( witch means that 99% of the Bible is made up)

Alice in Wonderland
The Matrix
Narnia

In Alice in Wonderland or through the looking Glass she goes to a fantsy world through the mirror

Interesting thoughts, Vinci.
You seem to have done your homework on the works of Lewis Carroll. I'd love to hear the signs and symbols found in the Jabberwocky as well.

Meanwhile, while this has less relevance to The Matrix than it does to Carroll's ideas -- if your interpretations be accurate of his impressions of Christianity, I must wonder what his own motives were. One of the few men in history to teach the principles It Is Better To Give Than To Receive, Love Your Enemies, The Law Of The Lord Is Mercy -- and the like... and to live them as well. Forgive me if I seem shallow in defending what some would consider a dead religion -- someday I must pick Carroll's brain myself on the matter.

Marsoullis wrote:

Interesting thoughts, Vinci. You seem to have done your homework on the works of Lewis Carroll. I'd love to hear the signs and symbols found in the Jabberwocky as well. Meanwhile, while this has less relevance to The Matrix than it does to Carroll's ideas -- if your interpretations be accurate of his impressions of Christianity, I must wonder what his own motives were. One of the few men in history to teach the principles It Is Better To Give Than To Receive, Love Your Enemies, The Law Of The Lord Is Mercy -- and the like... and to live them as well. Forgive me if I seem shallow in defending what some would consider a dead religion -- someday I must pick Carroll's brain myself on the matter.

The Matrix has lots to do with Alice in Wonderland and Christianity

Well that is my interpretation But I am definite on who is the Carpenter and Who is the Walrus.

I believe in Jesus Christ teaching.

I do not think that Carroll is saying that Jesus was Bad but that he had some weak moments.

Just like in Narnia there are the two sons of Adam that were prophesies their coming to save Narnia.

In the Bible the 2 men that were prophesies their coming to save them was Moses and Jesus.

Jesus was Edmund the youngest boy he was consumed with greed to become King.

My interpretation is that jesus wanted the Romans out of his land and Jesus wanted to become King of the Jews but the Romans Crucified him.

Marsoullis wrote:

Hehe, no favors in here, fella. Say what you want to say when you want to say it, never out of obligation . But more power to ya. P.S. your handle makes me hungry for greek food...

Trust Me, THere Was No Obligation, I Just Said It That Way...
I Like How This Guy Does Associations, But I Think It Would Be Less Confusing If You Left Christianty Out Of It, I Know The Matrix Is Hugely Bassed On That...But It's Been A While Since I've Been To Religous Ed...

Tsukasa wrote:

Trust Me, THere Was No Obligation, I Just Said It That Way... I Like How This Guy Does Associations, But I Think It Would Be Less Confusing If You Left Christianty Out Of It, I Know The Matrix Is Hugely Bassed On That...But It's Been A While Since I've Been To Religous Ed...

Hehe, leaving Christianity out of the Matrix would be like eating a hamburger with no patty of meat in it. Christianity is only one of many spiritual and philosophical concepts expressed or portrayed in the series -- but well, it’s a big one.

Rather than restrict it or any other topic, take it as an opportunity to expand your knowledge on the matter. It's a piece of cake these days anyways (ah, the wonders of Wikipedia)...

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The Matrix has lots to do with Alice in Wonderland and Christianity Well that is my interpretation But I am definite on who is the Carpenter and Who is the Walrus. I believe in Jesus Christ teaching. I do not think that Carroll is saying that Jesus was Bad but that he had some weak moments. Just like in Narnia there are the two sons of Adam that were prophesies their coming to save Narnia. In the Bible the 2 men that were prophesies their coming to save them was Moses and Jesus. Jesus was Edmund the youngest boy he was consumed with greed to become King. My interpretation is that jesus wanted the Romans out of his land and Jesus wanted to become King of the Jews but the Romans Crucified him.

Interesting analyses. I'm wondering, have you read the Bible for yourself yet...

I for one have yet to come across any scripture or any chain of events which implies that Jesus had any intention to overtake the Romans and become king over Israel.

But hey, to err is human -- I'd love to hear your alternate reasoning

Marsoullis wrote:

(ah, the wonders of Wikipedia)...

tell me about it

Marsoullis wrote:

Quote: The Matrix has lots to do with Alice in Wonderland and Christianity Well that is my interpretation But I am definite on who is the Carpenter and Who is the Walrus. I believe in Jesus Christ teaching. I do not think that Carroll is saying that Jesus was Bad but that he had some weak moments. Just like in Narnia there are the two sons of Adam that were prophesies their coming to save Narnia. In the Bible the 2 men that were prophesies their coming to save them was Moses and Jesus. Jesus was Edmund the youngest boy he was consumed with greed to become King. My interpretation is that jesus wanted the Romans out of his land and Jesus wanted to become King of the Jews but the Romans Crucified him. Interesting analyses. I'm wondering, have you read the Bible for yourself yet... I for one have yet to come across any scripture or any chain of events which implies that Jesus had any intention to overtake the Romans and become king over Israel. But hey, to err is human -- I'd love to hear your alternate reasoning

I was raised Catholic but I am not realy religious anymore.
Jesus Christ existed and his teachings.
Alot of what is writen in the Bible is from other Pre Christian Pagan retiual that was added by Constantine to help Pagans switch over to Chritianity.

The True stories about Christ were burned but many were saved in Allegory Stories, art and Music.

Easter is a Good example of Pagan rituals in Christianity.
Centuries before Christ the Babylonians had a Male Vegetation God Called Dagon that slept all year long in a cave then around the time of the Spring Equinox the Female God of Fertility named Eostre would come and wake the Vegetation God and he would make everything green.

I realize all of that -- I read The Da Vinci Code too -- fun, and definitely valid, but not as valid as Dan Brown would like to think. I would pose to him the same question as I posed to you.

How much of the Bible itself have you actually read...

Marsoullis wrote:

I realize all of that -- I read The Da Vinci Code too -- fun, and definitely valid, but not as valid as Dan Brown would like to think. I would pose to him the same question as I posed to you. How much of the Bible itself have you actually read...

I have read 1/3 of the Bible and still reading and doing research on origin of other rituals.

We all Know that Neo is Jesus But who is Trinity?

I just told you the Story of Easter were Dagon is awaken by Eostre.

Neo is awaken By Trinity.

Jesus was buried in a tomb

John 19 (New International Version)
Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

John 20 (New International Version)
The Empty Tomb

1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"

So now we know that Trinity is Mary Magdalene.

You're probably right on that one. Trinity and Neo died together, and they will rise together as well.

Meanwhile, you probably don't wanna go around professing your belief that Christ wanted to be king over the Jews and have the Romans driven out or eradicated or whatever you believe, not until you've found reason to believe such. You lose credibility when basing reason on fantastical theory.

John 18:33-40

Marsoullis wrote:

You're probably right on that one. Trinity and Neo died together, and they will rise together as well. Meanwhile, you probably don't wanna go around professing your belief that Christ wanted to be king over the Jews and have the Romans driven out or eradicated or whatever you believe, not until you've found reason to believe such. You lose credibility when basing reason on fantastical theory. John 18:33-40

You read the Bible right?
Yo saw Narnia Right?

DaVinci wrote:

We all Know that [b]Neo is Jesus

To a degree he represents jesus yes, but the problem is that Neo kills people, a lot of them. I think the Arjuna comparison kind of works too. He is a warrior in the Bhagavad Gita (sort of like the Hindu bible) you should check it out if you haven't already:

Well I think that Neo plays the role of both Jesus and the Devil. I'd say Neo was playing the role of the Devil in m2, and Jesus in m1. I can support these ideas if anyone is interested.

Support away, Jason -- interesting.

DaVinci wrote:

You read the Bible right? Yo saw Narnia Right? What 2 Biblical Characters do you know from reading the Bible that their coming was Prophesy to save them?

Hate to say it, but even if you did read those prophecies, you're reading only the very surface of it, haven't even approached the rabbit hole -- because you clearly don't yet understand the office of Elias in the Lord's great plan. C.S. Lewis didn't either -- but you also didn't read the Narnia Chronicles, you saw a movie containing 1/100th of its contents. Honestly you have a LOT of digging to do before attempting explanations on typifical prophecies of Servants of the Lord (if you can figure out what that means then you might actually have some headway on why your theory is totally off).

some of the best pictures i've seen on this site, with actual relevance to the subject at hand.

Well Marsoullis, I guess you'd find it more interseting to talk about how Neo was like the Devil, rather than how he was like Jesus. I mean most fans can spot the scenes where Neo was Christ like.

Let me start off by asking if you see the Architect as the creator God from Genesis? Or at least do you see them as being very similar at times? Would you also agree that the Matrix itself is similar to the Garden of Eden? I need to support these ideas first if you don't agree.

jason_9_4 wrote:

Well Marsoullis, I guess you'd find it more interseting to talk about how Neo was like the Devil, rather than how he was like Jesus. I mean most fans can spot the scenes where Neo was Christ like. Let me start off by asking if you see the Architect as the creator God from Genesis? Or at least do you see them as being very similar at times? Would you also agree that the Matrix itself is similar to the Garden of Eden? I need to support these ideas first if you don't agree.

I'm definitely interested in your interpretations of Neo as the Devil as you know him, as I can already see the ways in which he is compared to Christ.

I would never compare the Architect to the organizer of the planet. They two hardly compare. They are similar in that they've both created an artificial world which they could replenish with life, though with very different ideals and motives attached to such actions. God according to the scriptures benevolently interacts with his children for their good. The Architect has no such interests because he is not compassionate, he does not feel for humans as Rama feels for Sati, he has no emotion as God does -- he has created the matrix to hold mankind captive, while God has placed mankind in his matrix for potential eternal liberation. I could name more, but...hehe, it's late.

Hmm, I never thought of it this way. You're right in a sense. I consider the Garden not as a bad thing, but simply as a perfect place where God, being perfect and creating nothing but perfection, could place man on earth -- and then release Satan on him so that he could thus become imperfect, mortal, and on the road to be tested as God would please. Man succumbed to Satan by taking the fruit, thus ejecting him from his state of bliss, and granting unto him knowledge to know good from evil and the like. Neo is similar. He has the ability to eject people out of the matrix and grant them knowledge of the truth. Neo of course does this for benevolent reasons, while Satan tempted Adam and Eve to take the fruit because he believed he was foiling God's plan for man, when in fact he was bringing it forth. That is not mainstream belief on the Garden, but it's true all the same.

All that said, share with me your thoughts -- that's an interesting perspective.

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What's the deal with that fluid mirror in 1

1. It is a reference to the mirror theme in Alice

2. A mirror has many meanings (opposite, truth...)

3. Shows that the mind can control the Matrix, the mind "creates" reality in the Matrix

4. Shows that the Matrix is a dream world and Neo is in the process of waking up