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Marsoullis wrote:

Quote: Sure Here's 2: Gold Code - It's Code The Squidies - Being Able To Feel Them Explain These To Me, And Maybe I'll Convert... For Those Who Are Wait For The Next Question...Here It Is: Is The Reason Why Smith Lost Because He Couldn't See Beyond The Choice Of Believing The Oracle? I explained the gold code in this very thread. You can interpret the code however you like, but there's no precedence for the way you're currently understanding it. And much less precendence for Neo's touching the squiddies. That one is so blatently obvious from what the Oracle says in M3... c'mon. Don't ask others to prove things to you that you won't believe. Figure it out for yourself. You've been shown the door. Your next question's a good one. First of all, you know why Smith was destroyed upon destroying Neo, right?

I'll Go Back And Look At The Gold Code Part. I Guess What Makes ME Hard To Believe What Your Telling Me Is Because I Feel As Though The One Is Nothing But Different Coding. The One, (In My Eyes), Had No Special Powers. And To Answer Your Question, Neo Was Used As A Bridge Between The Source And The Virus (smith). However, What I'm Asking Is, Is The Reason He Didn't See His Loss Through The Oracle's Eyes Because He Didn't Understand The Choice He Made?

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I'll Go Back And Look At The Gold Code Part. I Guess What Makes ME Hard To Believe What Your Telling Me Is Because I Feel As Though The One Is Nothing But Different Coding. The One, (In My Eyes), Had No Special Powers. And To Answer Your Question, Neo Was Used As A Bridge Between The Source And The Virus (smith). However, What I'm Asking Is, Is The Reason He Didn't See His Loss Through The Oracle's Eyes Because He Didn't Understand The Choice He Made?

Yours are better arguments and many people's. But if Neo had no "special powers" then the eventuality of the anomoly would be irrelevant. But it's not, it's uniquely necessary. The One, being connected to the source, is granted powers which are usually only available to certain programs working for the system. Some of them can be obtained by others jacked in, by using their minds to bend the rules, we learn that in M1. But the One can see and do things no one else can do.


I believe there is a viral counterpart for every One, and Smith of course being this for Neo. The viral counterpart will always attempt to destroy those inside the matrix, just as Satan tries to destroy mankind, attempting to override a part of a victim's system. Neo's uniqueness in the matter was that Smith assimilated even the Oracle, something no other Smith had done. It was in this act that the machines lost control of him.

Neo is of course in this compared to Jesus, sacrificing himself to destroy Satan and save humankind (hence the gold cross on his chest as he gives in to Smith, the moment of redemption).

Smith essentially destroyed himself because he didn't understand what he was doing. He knew he was connected to Neo, so he should've been able to figure it out, but like Lucifer rebelling from God, Smith was too full of himself to catch on. He had already made the unstoppable choice to kill Neo through lust for power and hatred for the One. If the guy had understood his choice, he never would've done it. Good observation.

Question for Tsuk: Seeing that any argument for MwM is sketchy at best, what makes you so attracted to the idea? And so much more so than a possibility with so much more substance and reason to it?

Marsoullis wrote:

Question for Tsuk: Seeing that any argument for MwM is sketchy at best, what makes you so attracted to the idea? And so much more so than a possibility with so much more substance and reason to it?

To Answer This Question At This Time Would Be Impossible. Due To This Forum, (And My Recent "Re-viewing" Of The Animatrix), I'm Debating The Whole Anomoly Thing. As Weird As This May Sound, I Came To This Forum To Discuss Things With, As You Put, The Devils Advocate .

See I Always Looked At The One Being A Simple Difference In Code. Never As Special Powers Or Certain Things Like That. But Now That I'm Going Deeper Into The Rabbit Hole (which was the goal...) I Need To Think This Stuff Over. I'll Bb On The Forum In Few Days...Til Then...

Tsukasa wrote:

Marsoullis wrote: Question for Tsuk: Seeing that any argument for MwM is sketchy at best, what makes you so attracted to the idea? And so much more so than a possibility with so much more substance and reason to it? To Answer This Question At This Time Would Be Impossible. Due To This Forum, (And My Recent "Re-viewing" Of The Animatrix), I'm Debating The Whole Anomoly Thing. As Weird As This May Sound, I Came To This Forum To Discuss Things With, As You Put, The Devils Advocate . See I Always Looked At The One Being A Simple Difference In Code. Never As Special Powers Or Certain Things Like That. But Now That I'm Going Deeper Into The Rabbit Hole (which was the goal...) I Need To Think This Stuff Over. I'll Bb On The Forum In Few Days...Til Then...

Sounds coo. You're doing what most people will never get to: consideration with a lack of dogmatism. Very cool. And nothin wrong with playin Devil's advocate -- it's a method of learning and deduction. More power to ya.

Ok, Here's A Question That I THought Was Worthy Of Posting. I Just Finish Watching I'm Favorite Clip From The Animatrix; beyond. Now The Screen Says, when it's deleteing the haunted house, That It's An "Anamoly". Is This Conisidence? Or Was That What The Anamoly Was, in the perfect matrix the architect was refering too?

...Anybody have any ideas at all?

Tsukasa wrote:

...Anybody have any ideas at all?

It probably has to do with the fact that anything anomolous happening within the matrix is considered an anomaly. Whether it's one who can manipulate the coding as he wishes, or a spot found within its system where the coding has been warped or confused, the programmers may well recognize and characterize these as the same problem. Notice they took control of the old house there, in this case by destroying it, just as they wished to have control over the One, in that case by hoping he would comply with the plot as he was, in their eyes, designed to do.

I agree but i guess what i'm ask was, were these the "statistic anomaly" before the who idea of the one was created.

or maybe this was the "more perfect form of the matrix" the architect was talking about. I ah, tend to over think things so i'm ask ur input to see if u agree or if i'm crazy. In some cases both

Tsukasa wrote:

I agree but i guess what i'm ask was, were these the "statistic anomaly" before the who idea of the one was created. or maybe this was the "more perfect form of the matrix" the architect was talking about. I ah, tend to over think things so i'm ask ur input to see if u agree or if i'm crazy. In some cases both

lol yes sometimes both, for all of us.

The design of the Matrix parallels as follows:

Matrix 1.0 - Heaven
Matrix 2.0 - Hell
Matrix 3.0 - Earth, and respective anomaly
Matrix 3.1 - ditto
Matrix 3.2 - ditto
Matrix 3.3 - ditto
Matrix 3.4 - ditto
Matrix 3.5 - Neo

It's an interesting thought you raise, but we see in that episode that the people in it are living ordinary lives like we do here. There was no evident rejection of the programming feeding into their neural nets, the world looked there just as it does to us (excepting in the old house), so we can safely assume the story takes place sometime after the 3rd restructuring.

I tend to think the coding was simply scrambled for that area of the matrix, thus making the visual appear or act incorrect. Think of the outtakes for a CGI film like "Shrek" -- it shows him sometimes with his hands detached or too fat or something weird like that -- it's because the programming wasn't quite right, so the programmers go back and fix it. It could equally have been a program doing something it wasn't supposed to be (and the people who came and eradicated it were the same type who would delete an exile). Or perhaps your suggestion was that it was an area that wasn't properly redesigned after the first or second iterations of the matrix, thus leaving behind a remnent of its former structure or rules. I doubt this one because, from the beginning, the Architect would have at least known that the general public would not accept floating people and time halting in place, as "real" -- most would think themselves in a dream and try to wake up, would no longer be enslaved mentally, which is the whole point of the matrix. Interesting thoughts -- The Animatrix brings out a lot of fascinating insights to the story -- they definitely ought to design another (though I personally doubt they ever will).

I Was Looking For A Reason To Be Wrong Because It Didn't Seem Right, And You Supplied Me That Reason.

i have a whole .txt file filed with my theories, and now that i have more time...heres a good one...

Why Not Keep All The Dead Bodies? To Store Others Instead Jacking Out Their Own Bodies. The Way I Understand It, The Mind Is Like A Hard Drive And Our Revidual Self-Image Is A Program, Which Is Why Bane Got Over-Written...So If You Kept Dead Bodies, You Wouldn't Have To Go Through The Complicated Process...

Thoughts?