»The Kid....«

This is my first post here and would like to share one of my theories i have come up with about the kid.

Well many people have been saying that the kid is going to be the next one but i disagree as i have found evidence as why i think he cant be (please feel free to correct anything that you think seems wrong)

Why the Kid isnt the one

Any way how can he be the next on when as far as i can understand a new person recieves the one code after 100 years of the previous version of the matrix has been reloaded. The reason for this is because in mopheus's speech he says that they have been fighting the machines for 100 years so it is obvious that the 6th version of the matrix/zion has been around for aslong as that and only one, "one codes" have been around since than - neo so if this is the case a new one should not emerge for atleast 100 years after neo is supposed to reset the matrix and therefore with in that time he will have died.

Who i think he is

I personly think that the kid may very well be a program such as a trojan sent from the matrix into Zion (perhaps also a matrix as i currently seems) by the oracleas he may be an anomalie that has been infected by the oracle in a similar way to Smith infecting Bane. This way it would be much easier for the oracle to manipulate neo if indeed she is a baddie and also it would answer the question how does the oracle know neo isnt sleeping in zion as perhaps the can comunicate with each other. my last piece of evidence to proove that he is either a program or just an infected anomalie is that he always knows just when Neo is returning to or leaving Zion even when commander lock doesnt so nor should any one else.

Thanks for reading (if you understood my ramblings please tell me what you think)

Hi x-neo-x
Welcome to the site!!!
The Kid has been discussed but he is still a very interesting character, I had a feeling that he was to become the next Architect, but alas, I was informed that this idea was written into The Dolan Script, which I have never seen and probably will not bother with. I've been told basically that it is a load of rubbish.... My ideas came from the fact that the Kid self realised himself into the Matrix, (born in the Matrix and able to change things in the Matrix himself). I know the other Matrix nuts will probably want to add their comments, so comon everyone help the newbie...

The Kid, the Keymaker, and Seraph are probably the only characters I still dont feel I've figured out.

As far as the kid goes... I dont believe he's a program, his story in the matrix is similar to Reloaded. He dreams he is falling (as oposet ot Neo's dream of trinity falling - "You have the sight now, you're looking at the world without time" - The Oracle.) then suddenly that dream comes true and like tirnity he must "risk everything" and he does. If he was a program I dont think he agents would had hunted him down like they did in the Animatrix. Somehow the Animatrix leaves that open space "he's in another world now", which could mean they are aware he is the real world. Wether his input/output carriers are either still active in him or were disrupted when he "died" in the Matrix is unkown. However we know he hangs out with the orphans... one of which gives the "spoon" to Neo which we can assume is the same kid from the first movie. He somehow always knows when Neo comes back to Zion and has an obsession with Neo. Also the Architect says that Neo is the restult of an enventuality of an anomaly which could means there is NO GIVEN time when the anomaly will appear, or that every time it takes longer, it also states that every anomaly is different and all they can do is guess based on their studies of humans how the anomaly would turn out (which means Neo is Human). However based on his exprience in life (those fake experiences from the matrix) he has developed "by design" that attachement to Trinity, which interestinly enough develops OUTSIDE of the Matrix. anyways I'm just rumblin' on.
Just an insight peace.

x-neo-x wrote:

new person recieves the one code after 100 years of the previous version of the matrix has been reloaded.

Maybe the Kid is not the next One but the real One and Neo is only a pre-One.

Agent smith, let's talk here about the main theme....I would like to share my thoughts on the Kid in the matrix trilogy......so feel free to find any holes....
As a supporter of the MWM theory, I personally think that the Kid is an escencial key in the resolution of the problem in the matrix(slavery of human kind), I think that he will be the key to free the first of all the minds that are in the supposed "real world". Let me explain myself....As some of us know, the Kid can self-unplug from the matrix(or did unplug from it in the Animatrix), so technically he has a "power" whick is unique, so based on the MWM theory, if there are in fact 2 matrix's, then no one has waken up from the "real world" or second matrix(or not that we know), so the kid as I think, will be the first to wake up to the REAL REAL WORLD.
What do you all think? Smith?
PiukNeo.

@ PiukNeo Hello there,
I find your explanation intriguing... As I stated in my post I do feel that the Kid has a very important part to play, but unfortunately I've been shot down in flames on many occasions by people quoting the Dolan Script. So I left the theory alone...However I've been discussing The Kid Theory outside of this forum, at Uni, and with my Matrix nut friends and I am beginning to believe in the MwM Theory!!! (Now this may come as a shock to quite a few of you out there as I was firmly convinced of something else.....) So now I have to rethink my Matrix Theories, and think about the MwM theories all over again... DAMMIT!

Hello, I think the kid, will play a major role in Revolutions, but as far as actually being "The One", I don´t think so. I think he is human, otherwise how could he be living in Zion? It is possible that he is a program, but this can only occur if the MWAM (Matrix Within A Matrix) theory is true.

As far as how he always knows when Neo is going to return, it's pretty simple, he always states that Neo saved him, so this makes Neo his hero. So he probably just snoops around trying to find out everything he can about him. The same way a major fan does with a rock or movie star.

The Kid is at best a peripheral character. He was introduced in the Animatrix and shown just as a passing person in Reloaded. If he really was an important character to the plot, he would have been refered to a lot more in the movies and talked about more by other characters. He would probably have been alluded to in the first movie too. At most he is going to be a character like Mouse, who was cool and all and it was sad he died etc, but wasnt essential to the plot.

StaticAge wrote:

The Kid is at best a peripheral character.

Excuse me? One whole Animatrix episode was dedicated to him and he could self-eject. This hints at massive powers and a bigger role.

knnknn wrote:

One whole Animatrix episode was dedicated to him...

Right... see if he was a major player in the movie, they would have talked about it THERE, not in a peripheral little side project. If there is something THAT significant to the plot, I cant imagine that they would only show it in a separate project and risk probably more than half their audience being left in the dark. Even if they did take that risk, they would have to address the issues raised to tie it in better, like have someone mention that self substantiation is an important development... but from the actual movie we get bupkiss on that. It would be expecting stories that they told in the Matrix comic books to be major plot points even though they arent specifically addressed in the movies so far... I just think thats not too bright an idea for a movie- if you want the audience to know the story, you gotta show it to them; you cant depend on having them research before or after the fact or to have seen all the supplimental stuff too as a prerequisite to knowing your plot. It just seems unrealistic to me.

knnknn wrote:

One whole Animatrix episode was dedicated to him...

Right... see if he was a major player in the movie, they would have talked about it THERE, not in a peripheral little side project. If there is something THAT significant to the plot, I cant imagine that they would only show it in a separate project and risk probably more than half their audience being left in the dark. Even if they did take that risk, they would have to address the issues raised to tie it in better, like have someone mention that self substantiation is an important development... but from the actual movie we get bupkiss on that. It would be expecting stories that they told in the Matrix comic books to be major plot points even though they arent specifically addressed in the movies so far... I just think thats not too bright an idea for a movie- if you want the audience to know the story, you gotta show it to them; you cant depend on having them research before or after the fact or to have seen all the supplimental stuff too as a prerequisite to knowing your plot. It just seems unrealistic to me.

I totally agree here, if he weren't to do anything important why make an entire Animatrix episode out of him. As mentioned before, he was the first person to wake up from The Matrix by himself; something that not even Neo could do. And Neo is supposed to be "The One".

When I think about it, the fact that he woke up by himself might give his character more importance than we actually think. If you consider what Morpheus says in "The Matrix".

Neo: I can't go back, can I?
Morpheus: No. But if you could, would you really want to? I feel I owe you an apology. We have a rule. We never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go. I've seen it before and I'm sorry. I did what I did because...I had to. When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth. As long as the Matrix exists the human race will never be free. After he died the Oracle prophesied his return and that his coming would hail the destruction of the Matrix and the war, bring freedom to our people. That is why there are those of us who have spent our entire lives searching the Matrix looking for him. I did what I did because I believe that search is over.... Get some rest, you're going to need it.

He implies that "The One" previous to Neo woke up for himself, go out and started to free people.

Hey, it's something to think about!

Yeah but that dude was the 'One' from the previous matrix, and the original dude who freed the first of the humans in his Zion was the previous 'One' to him from his previous Matrix, and so on... The rabbit hole goes deep.

Now this is what I said a long time ago as regards The Kid..
He self-realised that the Matrix existed, and he self ejected out of it. Now that to me shows amazing capabilities... Remember - When the Matrix was first created there was a Man born inside who could change anything as he saw fit..... The thing is people I was told off for quoting the Dolan Script, which I hadn't looked at until about 3 days ago.
I do feel The Kids importance will bloom in Revolutions - As KnnKnn (he who shall be worshipped) put it a whole Animatrix episode was dedicated to him, then he shows up in Zion.....

While I agree that the "Kid" is slated for bigger and better things than less central characters (Mouse, Switch, Dozer...) I don't think the character will evolve into the next "One" or something.

Self actualization is a biggie, don't get me wrong.

But just because a segment of the animatrix was about the character doesn't mean he will evolve into a another ubermench. Not saying I wouldn't be happy to see it, as I think that animatrix segment comes close to the last flight of the osiris as far as adding to the whole matrix thing.

But I don't anticipate seeing the "freed" robot from matriculated making a big splash, nor the runner from world record getting up out of that chair and beating down Smith.

There are many folks out there who have never heard of the animatrix. there are even more folks that haven't played Enter the Matrix, and picked it clean of info like most of us have.

The Kid is my favorite character, right after Neo. But a grain of salt needs to be taken in light of the exposure that animatrix generated in the viewing public at large.

Looks like we are just going to have to wait and see... The anticipation...
It's killing me....

I agree with Zuntu, I think some are prescribing entirely too much significance to the Kid.

First we have to look at it from a movie POV - nowhere is it stated that the Kid is the ONLY person to have escaped the matrix on his own. Nowhere is it hinted that the Kid has any powers within the matrix over and above what any of the other Zionists may have.

Add this to Zuntzu's point about the other unimportant characters that appeared in the Animatrix (such as the children who discovered the anomoly in the old building, for example) and I think it is safe to assume that the Kid's presence in Reloaded can be thought of only as a bit of extra seasoning or spice to flavor the story.

Having analyzed it from this point of view, it's also important to analyze it from a Hollywood point of view.

Consider - what percentage of the Matrix audience has even seen the Kid's story in the Animatrix? Let's be generous and assume a whopping 50% have done so.

IF the Kid suddenly emerges as a power in Revolutions, and if indeed he does become the Architect ursurper and thus plays such a key role in Revolutions, that means the Wachowski brothers will have assigned a preeminent role to a character that only has a handful of lines and maybe a minute's (or less) of screen time in the second moview.

Can you imagine the sheer confusion the remaining 50% of the audience would have at the sudden vaulting of the Kid to such an important part of the film?

Now, ask yourself, why would the Wachowski brothers do that?

Again, as I've said, it doesn't necessarily mean that this won't happen. But given the logic of the movies and the logic of reality, if this DOES happen with the Kid, it will be an explicitly boneheaded move on the part of the Wachowskis.

It's true that it wasn't stated in The Matrix Reloaded, but it is stated in The Animatrix. When the kid wakes up in the real world, Trinity and Neo are there. When the kid opens his eyes, his very first sight is that of Neo and Trinity. And Trinity tells to Neo that she was surprised because she thought that could never be possible.

Trinity: His vitals are good. He's gonna make it. Its unbelievable. I didn't think self-substantiation was possible.

Neo: Apparently it is.

Popper: Neo

Neo: It's ok. You're safe now.

Popper: I knew... You'd save me.

Neo: I didn't save you kid. You saved yourself.

BTW, the kid's name is Michael Karl Popper.

A gentle reminder - being the "first" to do something does not necessarily correlate to being the "only" one to do something.

If I'm not mistaken, tt appears six months have passed since the events of the Matrix and the time of Matrix: Reloaded. Unless I am again mistaken, we don't have many clues regarding when the Kid escaped the Matrix. He could have escaped soon after the Matrix, and dozens of others could have escaped on their own, as well.

A tepid point, but I think it still carries weight in the context of my original argument. Furthermore, I cannot recall any instance where the Kid's self-substantiation was even hinted at in Matrix: Reloaded.

It could be that Neo's nature - a pure expression of chaos and entropy in an otherwise completely ordered environment - could have affected individuals such as the Kid. For example, if more folks witnessed Neo and his powers, it might cause them to question the nature of their reality without being prodded by someone such as Morpheus, etc.

mjolnir wrote:

Furthermore, I cannot recall any instance where the Kid's self-substantiation was even hinted at in Matrix: Reloaded.

It was hinted in Reloaded (a very weak hint though):

Kid: "Neo!"
Neo: "Oh, no."
Trinity: "How does he always know?"
Neo: "Doesn't he have anything better to do?"
Trinity: "You know what they say about the life you save."
Neo: "I didn't save his life."

The Kid is already important. There is a bond between him and Neo that is similar to the bond between Neo and Smith.

"How does he always know" "You know what they say about the life you save"

Also, Neo seems to give the kid purpose. And purpose is a big thing in the Matrix.

And don't forget that the kid has already saved Neo's life.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Kid get a bigger role in the next film.

How does he always know? If the kid is always hanging around the operations room, he's going to hear of the Neb's return. I don't see a reason to add a level of mysticism to his knowing when the neb comes back. Link's statement seemed more exasperated than pointing out something more signifigant.

Saving neo's life? Well, Bane/Smith definatley had the drop on neo, but I have a little more faith in him, Trinity, Morpheus, and Link than to assume that they would stand there as Bane trys to kill Neo. Sure, the Kids calling out alerted the group, but saving his life?

As to a "life debt"...When you save someones life, they become your responsibility from that point on, though that depends on the honor system someone proscribes to, it is common enough to become a concept in Zion.

As a characters connection to another, I'm curious to see how Ghost's love of Trinity is expressed in Revolutions. I digress...

Yet again, I think some are prescribing FAR too much significance to the Kid.

For whatever reason, the Kid is hero worshipping Neo. But that's not that surprising, considering hundreds (thousands?) of other folks are doing the same thing. Am I recalling incorrectly that immediately after ditching the Kid, Neo and Trinity are faced with a throng of admirers?

How did THEY know Neo was going to be back? Perhaps they are all destined, too, to become Architects? Or perhaps they are all pre-Ones?

The Matrix is an complete experience, whether you buy it or not, the W. Bros admited you will get more information in the Game and the Animatrix; it is all part of it, after all they wrote the plot to the Kid's episode in the Animatrix, and perhaps the comic books will only tells us of the survival of mankind, or previous Matrices, or how Morpheus met the Oracle. Stating the Animatrix is not related directly to the movie is shooting yourself in the foot. So the W. bros lied to us and said so, so we can buy all their merchandise. I have friends who hated anime who decided to watch the anime, just because of the "matrix" in it. I admit the episode not written by them serve a different purpose, but the last flight of Osiris gave us the BASE plot to Reloaded... why cant Kid's Story gives us the plot to Revolutions???

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Neo: Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.

Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is but it's there, like a splinter in your mind driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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The Kid is obviously at the same playing level than Neo maybe more advanced. His story follows the same format than Reloaded. he has dream, he makes a choice, and he understands the dream and the choice.

Excellent Andromeda!

You got the point across very well and I for one tend to agree with you, The Kid is important, I've thought this for a while and people like you are helping to reinforce that idea even more...

Welcome to the Kid Appreciation Society!!...