»Contradiction of Choice?«

When people in the Matrix morph into Agents, these people usually die because of it. Isn't this a conflict with choice, on which the foundation of the Matrix is currently built?

To elaborate, the Oracle came up with "choice" for the third version of the Matrix, while the Architect enforces it to the most extreme degree of fairness (via making sure the equation is always perfectly balanced), giving all people the choice of Zion if they reject the Matrix and giving programs the choice to exile themselves if they are scheduled for deletion. It seems that forcing a person to give themselves over to the control of the Agent program is inconsistent with the Architect's uncompromisable commitment to fairness and a balanced equation. Perhaps the "unbalance" this brings to the equation is more than offset by the additional balance it brings by getting rid of hackers? This is my best theory at this point - any others?

Also, why not just create a Matrix world in which everyone is possessed by programs? It apparently works since Agents do it all the time. Perhaps people who are possessed by Agents die in a matter of hours after being possessed? Or maybe the machines actually wanted to enslave the human race in the most humane way they could devise? (Honestly, can you think of a better way to be enslaved than to believe that you're living exactly the life you choose to live?)

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Or maybe the machines actually wanted to enslave the human race in the most humane way they could devise? (Honestly, can you think of a better way to be enslaved than to believe that you're living exactly the life you choose to live?)

Honestly, do you think any other way would work. This one is working as we speak. You can see it when you look out the window or when you turn on the TV. You feel it when you go to church...etc.

Yeah, the current system works, but it would be a lot less trouble to not have to worry about redpills, fluctuations, not have to create Zion, not have to have a One returning to the Source, etc.

I know the Architect's non-choice model crashed, but seeing the Agents take away human choice and control everything a human does for minutes or hours really seems contradictory to the whole choice model.

Surprised wrote:

When people in the Matrix morph into Agents, these people usually die because of it. Isn't this a conflict with choice, on which the foundation of the Matrix is currently built?

They do not always die, they are left behind with a black out when the agent leaves his host.

And why is it against choice? A blue pill accepted the program and agents are an integral part of the system, so with their (subconsious) decision, they also decided that agents can use them as a 'soldier' against the systemic anomaly.

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Also, why not just create a Matrix world in which everyone is possessed by programs? It apparently works since Agents do it all the time. Perhaps people who are possessed by Agents die in a matter of hours after being possessed?

Well look at Bane's situation. His brain seemed to have endured certain damages due to Smith's possession. I myself think that if Bane would have lived, then a little later he would have died because of too much brain defects. I think Bane is fighting the program that is forced upon him.

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Or maybe the machines actually wanted to enslave the human race in the most humane way they could devise? (Honestly, can you think of a better way to be enslaved than to believe that you're living exactly the life you choose to live?)

Maybe the Architect and the Oracle are the father and the mother of the Matrix, but who are the father/mother of AI? Humans!

Just like we humans try to grasp the definition of this world by exploring religions and philosophies in order to try and understand WHY we are here and HOW we were created, the machines probably try to understand us humans.

The primary goal is not to drain energy from us, but to learn from us, to let AI grow further on.

Like councelor Hamman said: humans need machines and machines need humans. The only thing left to do is to form a perfect symbiose, but the 'human anomaly' was still blocking this out.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Surprised wrote: When people in the Matrix morph into Agents, these people usually die because of it. Isn't this a conflict with choice, on which the foundation of the Matrix is currently built? They do not always die, they are left behind with a black out when the agent leaves his host. And why is it against choice? A blue pill accepted the program and agents are an integral part of the system, so with their (subconsious) decision, they also decided that agents can use them as a 'soldier' against the systemic anomaly. Quote: Also, why not just create a Matrix world in which everyone is possessed by programs? It apparently works since Agents do it all the time. Perhaps people who are possessed by Agents die in a matter of hours after being possessed? Well look at Bane's situation. His brain seemed to have endured certain damages due to Smith's possession. I myself think that if Bane would have lived, then a little later he would have died because of too much brain defects. I think Bane is fighting the program that is forced upon him. Quote: Or maybe the machines actually wanted to enslave the human race in the most humane way they could devise? (Honestly, can you think of a better way to be enslaved than to believe that you're living exactly the life you choose to live?) Maybe the Architect and the Oracle are the father and the mother of the Matrix, but who are the father/mother of AI? Humans! Just like we humans try to grasp the definition of this world by exploring religions and philosophies in order to try and understand WHY we are here and HOW we were created, the machines probably try to understand us humans. The primary goal is not to drain energy from us, but to learn from us, to let AI grow further on. Like councelor Hamman said: humans need machines and machines need humans. The only thing left to do is to form a perfect symbiose, but the 'human anomaly' was still blocking this out.

Mobil how do you know so much.

Did you know Mobil=Limbo

Red Ghost wrote:

Mobil how do you know so much.

1) By having an open mind
2) By thinking alot about the movies
3) By discussing alot about the movies
4) By having quite a bit of knowledge about computer science
5) My own search for the truth in religions/philosophies

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Did you know Mobil=Limbo

Yes I did

I guess I could learn a lot from you I have only recently watched the matrix when it first acame out i was like twelve
but i like them very much.

do youu think there is an answer i mean there is som uch to
read so much information

An answer to what exactly?

Are we in the matrix

In a way we are. Our soul is trapped in our material body I think.

i think we live in the system... i think that a lot of the matrix is a direct reference to the way we live now... for example rineheart says: This company is one of the top software companies in the world because every single employee understands that they are a part of a whole. Thus, if an employee has a problem, the company has a problem.

it is how we all live but it could also be a reference to the matrix... hence we are, in one sence, in the matrix...