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The Agents are part of the Matrix system. They can issue orders to the sentinels from within the Matrix, so obviously they are networked to the real world via the Source. They can take over the mind and body of any bluepill inside of the Matrix. And I'm supposed to believe that the Agents somehow cannot communicate with each other or with the system itself without outdated earphone technology? We learn this is the case in M1 when Agent Smith disconnects his earphone and is consequently totally oblivious to what is happening inside the building when Neo and Trinity come to rescue Morpheus. Whatthe

I know the earphone was necessary in order for Smith to be able to give Neo his "symbolic" gift in M2. But I'm not looking for symbolic explanations - I'm more interested in plausible science behind the science fiction (it fascinates me... to an obsessive degree).

Another related question: why do Agents bother planting a bug in Neo in M1? Neo is still plugged in at that point, and the system would therefore be able to monitor everything Neo does and senses inside of the Matrix. Whether they get the bug out of him or not seems irrelevant to me. If the Agents really wanted Morpheus, it seems they could have just taken over Neo while Neo and Morpheus discussed paying taxes and exploring deep rabbit holes.

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Τo answer the 1st question :

I think the earphone is taken a bit to literaly. Dont forget , we are in the Matrix. The earphone, as i saw it, was the visual representation, of the communication protocol of a programm (agent). Just as an advanced sentient-like programm would use some communication protocol to exchange info with other programms, or the source, the visual representations of these programs, are the agents. And the visual representation of the comunication system they have, is the earphone.

Perhaps there are more explanations. If so , i'm sure one of the other guys will jump in.

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The earphone is how they get their information.

I think three sources of 'information' can reach them via the earphones:

1. Communication with each other.
2. Signals of a certain shock experience some blue pills have (the bum in M1, the grocery woman in M2)
3. Instructions from a 'higher' authority, probably the Architect

The communication/information is strictly digital code, no speech is required in the process.

In the orignal script of the Matrix, Neo was blindfolded when they removed the bug from his belly. This was neccesary to prevent him from experiencing that special shock feeling to which the agents respond. To be sure, Switch holds her gun ready to be preprared if Neo would still morph into an agent.

I think the agents cannot monitor a blue pill just out of the blue Smile If that were the case, then the bug was not needed at all.

I think that the only person who can observe blue pills is the Architect. The Architect wants Neo to meet Moprheus; it is part of the meisure of control: Neo needs to become the One. So I think that even if the agents might wanted to morph into Neo at that point in time, the Architect could have blocked it out.

There is even another explanation. Remember the detective from the Animatrix? It was hard for the agent to morph into him, because the detective seemed to be stronger than any other normal blue pill. So I think maybe they could not take over Neo, because he is a potential red pill: he doesn't like it when a program (which an agent is) is forced upon his mind.

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I think that the only person who can observe blue pills is the Architect. The Architect wants Neo to meet Moprheus; it is part of the meisure of control: Neo needs to become the One. So I think that even if the agents might wanted to morph into Neo at that point in time, the Architect could have blocked it out.

There is even another explanation. Remember the detective from the Animatrix? It was hard for the agent to morph into him, because the detective seemed to be stronger than any other normal blue pill. So I think maybe they could not take over Neo, because he is a potential red pill: he doesn't like it when a program (which an agent is) is forced upon his mind.
I agree. Forgot about those, thanks for reminding Mobil_

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I think that the only person who can observe blue pills is the Architect. The Architect wants Neo to meet Moprheus


Which is shown on one of the screens of the Architect

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There is even another explanation. Remember the detective from the Animatrix? It was hard for the agent to morph into him, because the detective seemed to be stronger than any other normal blue pill. So I think maybe they could not take over Neo, because he is a potential red pill: he doesn't like it when a program (which an agent is) is forced upon his mind.


I thought he couldnt take over him becuase Trinity shot him, he was dieing

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I thought he couldnt take over him becuase Trinity shot him, he was dieing
dammit...i gotta watch the animatrix again ! Its been a long time.

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I thought he couldnt take over him becuase Trinity shot him, he was dieing


No he is struggling with the agent before Trinity shoots him.

Now consider that Neo is even stronger in shitting on the authorities, maybe they cannot possess his mind.

Smith cannot copy himself onto Neo unless Neo wants it. Maybe the same thing was going on with the normal agents.

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No he is struggling with the agent before Trinity shoots him


But it is the average time a non upgraded agent take over and he is taken fully over before Trinity says, sorry and shoots him.

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Hmmm usually my memory doesn't let me down.

Maybe you should check it again, I am too lazy Smile

Anyway, my theory is a bit bogus I think. If Neo was resistant against agents, then I think they could not close his mouth by force either.

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Thanks for all your responses.

Responding to Mobil's idea that Agents only take over shocked people...

We see an Agent take over a truck driver on the freeway in M2 who was not shocked - just minding his own business (the truck driver was "ahead" of the action with Morpheus and the Keymaker, and had to turn around and drive a while in order to collide with the first truck head on). I suppose the truck driver could have been shocked by having to avoid the lunatic motorcycle rider who almost ran into it, but that was several minutes delayed. The Agents do mostly take over people who are shocked (stolen cell phone man, bum, military people and police officers in pursuit or under attack), but I dunno... Morpheus also goes to a lot of trouble with a special training program to show Neo that Agents can take over literally anyone they wish because everyone is plugged into the system.

I was thinking that maybe Agents need the earphones in order to communicate directly with the sentinels. But considering that Neo can do it without earphones (and that Neo's ability to do so is due to programming from the system), it seems like the system is giving the Agents a handicap that just isn't necessary. The earphones themselves are still just code in the matrix just like the Agents are, and any communication sent to the earphone must still somehow be translated into a wireless signal by a physical machine in the real world when it involves ordering the sentinels around.

As far as the idea of Neo being able to resist Agent takeover, I agree the theory is a bit shaky. The symptom is that Neo's mouth can still be shut against his will, and a mirror can go into replication against Neo's will. The cause is that Neo doesn't even know what the Matrix is yet. In fact he doesn't even know what it is until days after entering the real world.

Hmm, another thing I'm just realizing that I've never questioned before but it seems like an important question to ask... we know the earphone goes into the ear, but where does the plug come OUT of? Looking at a view of Smith turn around to see Neo come back to life in M1, it appears the plug goes down the collar to the shoulder or possibly chest area. Perhaps the vocal chords? Maybe the Agents' vocal chords are given a few more frequency capabilities than most humans.

Here's a possible theory that I just thought of. Gold code of course represents some real entity in the machine world (i.e. a machine or at least cyborg) plugged directly into the Matrix from machine city. For example, Neo would have appeared in gold code at the end of M3 when he's fighting Smith because he's plugged into the Matrix through machine city. Perhaps the earplugs would appear gold if seen by themselves - maybe the earplugs are actually Matrix representations of the machines that control wireless communications in the real world? Perhaps it gives the Agents more efficient communication capabilities to not have to go through the Source. I took a very close look at the Agents in M1 when Neo sees them as code, and unfortunately I could not see even a speck of gold around their heads (darn). But the earplugs are probably hidden from view anyway...

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If the earphones are not gold but just green code, it could also be that these earphones broadcast a super signal throughout the entire Matrix that is picked up by a jacked-in (gold-coded) machine that issues orders directly to sentinels.

On top of this, we do know of course that Agents use the earphones for communication between one another. Maybe when they take over random people in the Matrix, communication between Agents is too complicated to route to each other from one human pod to another when those humans are not in contact with each other within the Matrix. The earphones are definitely functioning at least as "super walkie-talkies" that Agents use to communicate with each other (best example: in M2, the Agent jumps onto the truck with Morpheus and the Keymaker because of tips communicated wirelessly from other Agents).

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Aren't we a bit overanalyzing here?

The earphones are part of their functional RSI, nothing more. They use it to communicate with each other and the system.

This is the same as asking why Persephone has such huge tits Smile

The truckdriver sees a hot chick in hot leather with an old Korean guy sitting against her ass driving on the emergency lane...wouldn't that shock you a bit?

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Hehehe, yes I agree this is definitely a detailed subject, but for me that does not disqualify it from being interesting to think about. That's just a matter of personal taste and nothing more - apparently your personal taste in what is interesting and what is not differs from mine. That's ok with me - hopefully it's ok with you too. Other people are interested in digging painfully deep for subtle philosophical, mythological and spiritual meanings, while I'm interested in only the basic surface of those things. To each his own - we all have our arbitrary lines that we draw...

The difference between Persephone's tits and the Agents' earphones is that all women have tits - all men do not have earphones. It's obvious that they use it to communicate - you've made that very clear (and in fact I made it clear in my original post - I stated that very fact as the whole problem). And yes, indeed it's part of their RSI. But as the Merovingian would surely ask, WHY is it part of their RSI? There is no power in the what, only the why. Mryellow I'm not expecting that this is a question answerable by cold hard facts (although anything is possible) - I'm just fishing for reasonable theories.

Sometimes speculation of seemingly trivial details like this lead to some of the most interesting discoveries. The earphones clearly serve a symbolic purpose of freedom in M2, and the brilliant track record of the Wachowski brothers leads me to investigate the strong possibility that there is a good reason why the Agents cannot function without the earphones.

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well agent smith functions without one but he is not exactly an agent anymore is he.

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They need the earphones the same reason people need earphones, to communicate. How can you scientifically explain them communicating with each other without them? Perhaps when they aren't in a bluepill they can communicate in a "waiting lobby" type program for agents not on call. Inside they're just as restricted as people, remember? As for the bug, it's a beacon, not a tracking device. The matrix is, duh, code; alotta code. There's so much of it not even the machines can watch it all at once. SO they plant bugs on people they want to keep an eye on, it sends a blip int he code whever something is happeneing that shouldn't be. It's still not foolproof as when the machines are alerted to the disturbance they have to track down where it's coming from. The shock idea doesn't seem exactly right but may be seeded in the truth. The reason they turned the truck driver was because by this point they had already been through a car chase spanning a good distance, giving the machines time to pinpoint the rebels. Back on the bug topic, it sent out a blip when something was awry, Bluepills probably due something similiar whent hey see people sword fighting on top of trucks, etc. The bug was needed because Neo was hanging out with rebels, people whose brainwaves couldn't be monitored. Anyway, I don't think it requires shock, but it does require reletive location, obviously. Any questions?

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Hi Darius,

You asked how Agents would be able to communicate to each other without earphones. I was just assuming that Agents are part of the system in a direct way (not in an indirect way like Neo, being unaware he's even part of the system until the end of his life), and therefore they have the ability to communicate with different components of the system, including themselves. When an Agent is killed, the Agent takes someone else over. From where does the Agent do that? Where does the root of the Agent program reside? It has to be from some sort of quasi-omniscient point of view of the Matrix that has access to the entire network of humans. I would think communicating to each other through this network of humans and behind-the-scenes programs/machines would be easy for them to do.

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I forgot to respond to the truck thing. Yes, the first truck driver was surely shocked as Trinity tried to pass it using the shoulder of the road. I can't think of any examples where Agents take over a person who is just going about their mundane business. You're right - I guess it does seem like Agents can't tap in to just anyone to monitor their experiences in the Matrix. I think I just assumed they could since they are given permission to completely take someone over.

But it doesn't make much sense to me (now speaking to everyone here) - the Oracle can assimilate and process all of the information in the entire Matrix to the point where she knows what will happen long in the future. The idea that machines cannot monitor specific people because it's too complicated for them just seems silly to me when there are actual programs in the Matrix who are fully capable of doing far more than that.

I suppose the Agents could take over anyone they wish, but they need to look for shocked people to try to narrow down targets among billions of people in the Matrix...

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It's not impossible for the machines to watch people closely, it's just impractical. Impracticality is something the Oracle knows little about. As I said, Ageents probably can communicate directly when not in a body, but I doubt they do(what would they talk about). Saying they can communicate through the system when in a body is like saying you can communicate with me psychicly. They're bound by the same rules as people in the Matrix, but like the rebels they know how to bend them. Next to Neo they're the most powerful(physically) programs around because they know the Matrix isn't real(I guess you could assume it's easier for any program to bend the rules than for a human).

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man 4 a bunch of noobs u guys sure know ur stuff. lol Whitelaugh

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{Morpheus} wrote:

man 4 a bunch of noobs u guys sure know ur stuff. lol Whitelaugh


This comming from the guy who's managed to get over 400 posts in under a month?

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I would think communicating to each other through this network of humans and behind-the-scenes programs/machines would be easy for them to do.


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I suppose the Agents could take over anyone they wish, but they need to look for shocked people to try to narrow down targets among billions of people in the Matrix...
Thats one thought. But i dont understand what is your question actually. You ask why they need earphones ? I mentioned that they are in the Matrix ! The earphone is the visual repsresentation of a communication protocol so they can get info etc. (besides...they cant just communicate with anyone without something to account for it... people will get suspicious Aaah, is there anything better than to post here and to drink something )


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But it doesn't make much sense to me (now speaking to everyone here) - the Oracle can assimilate and process all of the information in the entire Matrix to the point where she knows what will happen long in the future. The idea that machines cannot monitor specific people because it's too complicated for them just seems silly to me when there are actual programs in the Matrix who are fully capable of doing far more than that.
The Oracle is a more sophisticated programm. All programms dont have the same capabilities or purposes.

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But it doesn't make much sense to me (now speaking to everyone here) - the Oracle can assimilate and process all of the information in the entire Matrix to the point where she knows what will happen long in the future. The idea that machines cannot monitor specific people because it's too complicated for them just seems silly to me when there are actual programs in the Matrix who are fully capable of doing far more than that.


That's because the agents are just pawns doing their jobs. The higher authorities, being the Oracle and the Architect know far more, but they usually keep the agents blind from it.

And indeed suspicion is an important factor too. People and policemen inside the Matrix really have to think they are federal agents, so their RSI is like that.

The earpiece is strictly for the updating of information and for communication with each other. You can clearly see that when agent Jackson touches his earpiece after they lost Trinity on the freeway: "we have them"...Or when agent Johnson needs agent Thompson to crash Morpheus and the Keymaker, they clearly touch the earpiece to exchange information with each other.

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and so what if i get 400 posts in less than a month? its not a bad thing.

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Therion and Mobil, the suspicion factor makes a lot more sense to me than anything else. Thanks for humoring my anal question. Really, if the system wanted to, they could endow the Agents with the ability to communicate with each other at will, without an earpiece. This is what bothered me so much - it's like looking at a professional trapeze artist afraid to go on a swing in a children's park. I can't buy into that anymore than the idea that the Agents actually NEEDING earphone technology to communicate with each other.

But instead, this "need" is based upon the necessity to explain to police officers how it is that the Agents communicate with each other so efficiently. I guess none of the police officers go as far as to question why the Agents don't carry walkie-talkies. Wink (Or maybe they do, and those who do are then sent to drown in pod sewage, hehe).

And Mobil, your comment about pawn Agents makes sense too, and after thinking about it for a while, I have speculated reasons why Agents are only made "pawns", leading me to realize a little more about "purpose" in the machine/program world (again, I'm interested in the "why" more than the "what). When a machine or program is created for a purpose, it is not given any more abilities than it absolutely needs for its bare minimum functional requirements. This would explain why the Keymaker is such a helpless weakling - it doesn't take tae-kwon-do to make keys. The Agents' purpose is that of providing security within the Matrix. They don't need to know everything that everyone is doing at all times like the Oracle does. They just need to know when there is a security alert. The "alarm" for such alerts would be specific types of shock people experience within the Matrix, and Agents are then granted access to groups of people who are witnessing a certain high priority situation.

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Also, when shocked people morph into Agents, the system is killing two birds with one stone. Not only is the system addressing a security threat, the system is also taking care of a potential redpill (rejection). When the bum saw Trinity disappear from the phone booth, he was probably seriously questioning his reality. He would be very likely to be dumped from the system anyway, so why not use him against a threat? As the final result, we just have a bum who got depressed and committed suicide in front of a subway train. But, the train driver saw Neo and Agent Smith jump up to the ceiling, followed by Neo doing an additional backflip 6 feet into the air. Logically, Agent Smith took over the train driver and stopped the train...

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LOL! it is halarious how they changed from human to agent. LOL!

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