»M3: Mobil Ave to the Oracle and out again...«

Neo was in a coma, lying on a bed, when in the train station. After being rescued, he visits the Oracle. Then suddenly he's no on the bed, but jacked into the matrix. Explanation for this transition, anyone?

his subcoscious was locked in the train station, when it was released it went to the matrix frm there it between neo and the operator. so i believe.

Marsoullis wrote:

Neo was in a coma, lying on a bed, when in the train station. After being rescued, he visits the Oracle. Then suddenly he's no on the bed, but jacked into the matrix. Explanation for this transition, anyone?

I assume that they carried Neo's body from the bed to the chair, jacked him in and found him an exit. I wonder if it had been possible for Neo to get back without being jacked in?

well fits in to what i said.

Good enough. I watched it again last night, noticed that for the first time, and thought for a moment the Brothers W may have let a glitch slip in. But I guess if they're leaving us to do the explaining, that's an easy enough answer.

maybe so.

the doc says that neo brain wave patterns where like thoughs of some jacked into the matrix.

it was also the same time that morpheus got that call from seraph.

it is possible that after seeing the oracal morpheus advised the ship to put neo in the chair and insert his brain plug.

Good point.

why thankyou

Marsoullis wrote:

Neo was in a coma, lying on a bed, when in the train station. After being rescued, he visits the Oracle. Then suddenly he's no on the bed, but jacked into the matrix. Explanation for this transition, anyone?

After stopping the squiddies, he formed a premature connection with the Source.

He should have died.

But his love for Trinity instead resulted in him broadcasting his signal into the Matrix (more specifically, Mobil Ave).

In order to get Neo back into his body, they needed to get him to a hardline exit because he hadn't mastered this partcular ability yet...and the only way they could do this was by getting him out of Mobil Ave and back into the Matrix where they could get to a hardline, after making a quick stop at the Oracle's place.

That's why Neo's jacking out is so violent. They've had to re-route his consciousness from being independently broadcasted to being returned into his body via the ship.

All they did was move his body into an ecto chair and Link probably did some nifty hacking to get Neo back into his body.

GhostTrax wrote:

I assume that they carried Neo's body from the bed to the chair, jacked him in and found him an exit. I wonder if it had been possible for Neo to get back without being jacked in?

"You got yourself in here. You can get yourself out." ~ Neo

Yeah, he probably could have learned to do it if he had more time. But after that quick flash of the vision of the powerlines, Trinity enters the scene on the train and saves him the trouble

thought i explained that already? maybe u did not understand....or i was not clear....maybe. well obviously u know now, my work here is done....i guess.

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thought i explained that already? maybe u did not understand....or i was not clear....maybe. well obviously u know now, my work here is done....i guess.

Sorry dude, I didn't read through the thread. I just responded pretty much straight, and that one other post just stood out.

np bro, shit happens but hey u know now right that is all that matters to me. we all want to understand the matrix, im just here to help.

Bro Morpheus, you amuse me. You're good, don't doubt it. But don't know you're so good, bro. I mean, I guess you can take all the credit you want (that's like the third time in this particular thread), but it just amuses me. You're all like: "Hey, ahem, excuse me, that was my idea first." No one will ever care that you said it first, but you're welcome to acknowledge it anyway. It's cool, kinda fun, brings out the colorful character in ya .

sry for being selfish that was not my intention, but it appears as if i have already been forgiven. well it'll never happen again, sry did not mean to be a post hog.

lol bro, totally no worries. Just amuses me, but that you do it innocently is even better. Some people really explode self-acknowledgement into a lifelong addiction. You're good. I'm with the others : kinda keep the cussing to a minimum, if you're cool with that. Later.

np man, like to cuss alot i have no idea where that habbit came frm, but i'll chill with the profane language in the future.

Y'know, another interesting thing about that little stunt Neo played in Mobil Ave is this. Morpheus states no reason at all to do not just one, but multiple searches for Neo inside the matrix, while Neo is clearly not jacked in. "Please, for me." was the extent of his response.

From where would he get such a suspicion?

be clear. what suspicion?

the suspicion that Neo was somewhere located in the matrix, even though he wasn't jacked in.

My doubt has always been, and still is, did Neo had a wireless contact with his physical brain when he woke up in Mobil Ave station or was he a 100% full program in there?

Neo wakes up 'shocked' when he comes back to the Real World. It seems like the same kind of shock he got when Tank uploaded a shit-load of martial arts moves into his brain.

It could be that he was completely disconnected from his physical brain, acting as a full AI-program. And when he used the hardline, all his experiences were quickly uploaded into his physical brain.

When Neo visited the Architect, the Architect stated that Neo's consciousness had transcended more towards the program world, but he would irrecovably stay a human being. But after the Architect, Neo trancends even more into the program world, so that's why I think that he was a full 100% program for just a while.

The 'jacked-in'-signal that Maggie talks about could just be Neo's body trying to restore a carrier signal with his RSI/spiritual body. This is because of Neo's great desire to stay alive for Trinity.

What do you guys think?

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

My doubt has always been, and still is, did Neo had a wireless contact with his physical brain when he woke up in Mobil Ave station or was he a 100% full program in there?

I'm wondering where Neo being "a...program" ever came into it. I don't recall this ever being said in the trilogy.

But, on the point of the nature of Neo's mind-body interaction, I think that Neo was 'jacked in' without being physcially 'jacked in' from an ecto-chair. It's 'all him', if that's what you're asking.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Neo wakes up 'shocked' when he comes back to the Real World. It seems like the same kind of shock he got when Tank uploaded a shit-load of martial arts moves into his brain. It could be that he was completely disconnected from his physical brain, acting as a full AI-program. And when he used the hardline, all his experiences were quickly uploaded into his physical brain.

I...am not so sure about that. I think that Neo's violent jacking out was due to the fact that they had to re-route his consciousness back through the ship. To indicate that this is something that has never happened before, they show Neo's expression as one of shock.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

When Neo visited the Architect, the Architect stated that Neo's consciousness had transcended more towards the program world, but he would irrecovably stay a human being. But after the Architect, Neo trancends even more into the program world, so that's why I think that he was a full 100% program for just a while.

Oh, so that's why you thought Neo was part-program...

Okay, I think it's very important to interpret the words of various characters very carefully. The Brothers choose the words with the utmost care and precision...even if the actors (like that little fucker who played the Kid) don't always deliver them with the correct style...and so their words should be considered very carefully and should not be extrapolated beyond what we know. If you are not careful, then you end up in a big, messy puddle of liquid poop that's very hard to clean up (*cough*Matrix-within-a-Matrix*cough*).

So, let's call up ol' Archie and see exactly what he said.

Archie!:

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Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

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What is "the process"?

And what about Neo's "consciousness" has been "altered"?

Well, the only "process" I can think of is "the process" of becoming the One. It's either that or "the process" of asking questions.

My guess? It's both.

And what of Neo's "altered...consciousness"? What is the precise nature of this?

Well, it could be something as simple as "you're thinking differently from before". It could also mean that Neo's mind is hooked inot the Source, but the Architect chooses not to elaboraet on this. After all, he wouldn't want to give him any ideas.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

The 'jacked-in'-signal that Maggie talks about could just be Neo's body trying to restore a carrier signal with his RSI/spiritual body. This is because of Neo's great desire to stay alive for Trinity.

Well, yes, and this is the reason he didn't die. He attempted to find some stability and he did so by popping into Mobil Ave...and thus uncovered a new ability in the process.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

What do you guys think?

What do I think? I think that it's so amazingly cool. You have a character who's so similar to Motoko in Ghost In The Shell? The dude is a mechanically augmented human who can interact wirelessly with networks? Just imagine, within the next 30 years, this technology may well be commonplace. We'll be surfing the Net and having conversations with each other in our heads! Which, of course, then poses the potential of ghost hacking...

interesting answers, fellas. Keep 'em coming.

max314 wrote:

I'm wondering where Neo being "a...program" ever came into it. I don't recall this ever being said in the trilogy.

Well, alot of things aren't said in the trilogy. Alot is left off to our own symbolisation and/or assumption.

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I...am not so sure about that. I think that Neo's violent jacking out was due to the fact that they had to re-route his consciousness back through the ship. To indicate that this is something that has never happened before, they show Neo's expression as one of shock.

I don't agree with you here. The only function of a hardline is to safely let them exit from the Matrix. Their RSI is digitally transfered to the ship's construct (this is shown for a fact in the game "Enter the Matrix").

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What is "the process"? And what about Neo's "consciousness" has been "altered"? Well, the only "process" I can think of is "the process" of becoming the One. It's either that or "the process" of asking questions. My guess? It's both.

Yup, the enlightening process. But the Architect never expected for the One to go beyond the intention of reloading. When Neo takes the lefthand door, he takes an important step in his enlightenment process.

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And what of Neo's "altered...consciousness"? What is the precise nature of this?

Simple I think...His ability to not only 'hack' programs, but to also understand them. And what is the main step to achieve full understanding and empathy? To step into someones shoes yourself...and that's why I think Neo might have been in the state of a true program at that moment in the trilogy.