»'MWAM Threory' Is Rubbish«

If I could be allowed to inturupt I dont think totla control
of the humans is possible becuase of the anomalae.

Besides it is like the oracle said we need machines and they need us...

I think that if the machines are A.I then that would mean to a certain degree the have a conscience.

Besides man put his very spirit in to the machine according to animatrix

o this is about the ani-matrix. i thought it was the original matrix film we were talking about. and i also think alyce is right about that. complete control over the humans is impossile.

{Morpheus} wrote:

o this is about the ani-matrix. i thought it was the original matrix film we were talking about. and i also think alyce is right about that. complete control over the humans is impossile.

Well you're talking a little obvious here Morph bro. We live in a world of Relativity remember? Nothing can be perfect, nothing can be 100% anything. So not even control of anything.

{morpheus} wrote:

and i also think alyce is right about that. complete control over the humans is impossile.

Yep. You're both right. Because of the control issues, that is why those awakening are a problem. If you understand the Arch's speech you know all about this.

If there were a Zion matrix, those prefering to be there would not be hindered from doing so. Neither would there be so much of a problem with them "awakening" anyone to it. In fact, you would think the Architect would even be glad that he designed something people would accept. He might even "push" people towards the Zion matrix. But if Zion is actually real, you see why the movies move along like they do. And you understand the true meaning of the war and all the resistance even within the Matrix.

Someone somewhere down the line is going to have to address how they figure on the machines designing a virtual world that looks just like the real world.

MWaM is a belief that arises out of a lack of understanding many key points of the story that attempts to explain the story in a way that makes sense only when those key points are ignored altogether.

Ok, The Fact That He's The One Doesn't Give Him All These Powers. The Fact That He's The One Just Means That He's Got Some Extra Code. Anyone Could've Broke The Rules.

And Yes, I'm Retarded And Forgot About The Machine Parts.

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Ok, The Fact That He's The One Doesn't Give Him All These Powers.

Sure it does. All the powers are related.

code breaking is different than stopping bullets. the code Neo carries seperates him from everyone else, as Tsukasa, what kind of name is that anyway no disrespect intended just curious.

{Morpheus} wrote:

code breaking is different than stopping bullets. the code Neo carries seperates him from everyone else, as Tsukasa, what kind of name is that anyway no disrespect intended just curious.

None Taken...It's The Name Of A Character In ".Hack//Sign". In The Show, He Couldn't Log Out Of The MMPORPG He Plays, Much Like All The Blue Pills.

Morph, Were You Agreeing With Me There?

yeah ur seem to be intellegent and u put up a mean post so yeah im agreeing with u.

intell wrote:

MWaM is a belief that arises out of a lack of understanding many key points of the story that attempts to explain the story in a way that makes sense only when those key points are ignored altogether.

HUm! Hello all! I'm back again (damn it PiukNeo is back!). I was far gone from this forum for almost 2 months, but I'll never leave this fantastic forum.

Seems that this thread has almost lost its precense inside here in the forum, and thus needs some insentivation(spell?). It also seems that since I went to Europe, that almost not nearly 6 posts were adressed since I last posted in here.

Well to the point. Intell(you there ?). So what KEY POINTS that supposedely(spell?) are ignored make it a notion of a MwM theory? Explain please.

{Morpheus} wrote:

so max314, ur back u gonna answer my question?

So sorry...which question was that?

PiukNeo wrote:

{Morpheus} wrote: and that i take it, is the original plot of the game right? if so then i rwally must have it! Yes it is Morph, and I'm still waiting for the guy up there to answer my question, so I can answer his's.

I must be in my 'stupid' mode today, but really, what is this "question"?

Tsukasa wrote:

Here's My Backing Of The MWAM theory. If It's "Rubbish", then explain to me how neo can see code in revolutions. How does he know which bomb to choose, how does the sentinal effect him? Answer that scientist

I already have.

Read through my posts before you start accusing me of unsubstantiated claims.

The Architect's speech for starters. MWaM ignores the meaning of his words (perhaps because many don't even understand what he was talking about anyway), spefically about the matrix and its purpose, the anomaly, and his proposed solution to this. MWaM ignores the role of MxO in the ongoing story. MWaM, to my knowledge ignores the significance of the presence of exiles.

When you cut out all that and just write around it, MWaM seems like a likely conclusion to explain certain technical aspects of the films and how certain characters are able to do this or that.

PiukNeo wrote:

Tsukasa wrote: Here's My Backing Of The MWAM theory. If It's "Rubbish", then explain to me how neo can see code in revolutions. How does he know which bomb to choose, how does the sentinal effect him? Answer that scientist Dude, I also support MwM, but if u wait long enough, every one else(every one here is against MwM) will likely answer u the following: "Cuz Neo's got a connection to the source" "Cuz he is part machine(cyborg) and can transmit wireless connection to hack the machines from the source and somehow manage to manipulate physical obejcts in the real world(cuz he has a connection to the source)" "Cuz his powers come from the matrix all over to the sourcein, thus he can manipulate magincaly physical objects in the real world by just thin thinking it" Dude I can come with at least 10 stupid reason the movie and this people him to the MwM to refutate it.

It's not "magical", it's physical.

It's electromagnetic.

He can't "manipulate magically physical objects in the real world just by thinking it".

For example, he never makes things float in mid-air or flies.

He can, however, interact with the electromagnetic frequency of the Source.

For example, broacasting his signal into the Matrix, receiving the EM frequency of the machines allowing him to 'see' them, and short-circuiting oncoming sentinels.

Tsukasa wrote:

I Understand, But One Problem Though. In Matrix 1 We See Neo, He's Human. Morpheus Said "They Got To You First, But They Under Estimated Your Importance." If He Was Part Machine, That Would Be Important Now. And The One Is Only The One In The Matrix. One Of The Main Themes The Oracle Indirectly Pushes, Is That You Know Thyself, So Anyone Could Be The One, If They Believe They Can Break The Rules To That Point, That Is. I Think Neo Did Because He Believed He Was The One. If You Found Out You Were The One, Rules Would No longer Apply To You Right? I Mean I Could Be Wrong, But Thats Something I Got Out Of It. Side Note: I Watch Revolutions Last Night...I Could've Swore I saw Code Inside The Raindrops In The Last Fight Scene...Am I Crazy? Or Did You See It Too?

You can't trust the first Matrix movie alone if you're trying to explain the trilogy, my friend.

Morpheus is mistaken, the Oracle is hiding much, and you can interpret that 'Temet Nosce' tablet in a myriad of different ways in terms of the trilogy.

Max wrote:

He can, however, interact with the electromagnetic frequency of the Source. For example, broacasting his signal into the Matrix, receiving the EM frequency of the machines allowing him to 'see' them, and short-circuiting oncoming sentinels.

Yes. It's all about the sight. The programs are essentially EM beings. The same powers that he has to affect them allow him to "see" them. The question is not how it is that he can see the orange code, Smith's fire code, or "see" inside the matrix without manual hook-up. The question is how is it that other redpills can't.

He is the ONE.

But check out MxO for other characters coming whose RSI's act kinda funny.

*Edited to add: This may indicate whether whether they have a similar ability to "see" and "appear" into the matrix either like Neo or based on technology that uses the same principal. Maybe like Lock, or the Assassin, or Cryptos.

PiukNeo wrote:

...every human being is a cyborg, not becasue they are part machines, part humans, but cuz they have holes in their whole body, and a big neural connection in the back of the neck which alows them to jack into the matrix and transform the electric siganls from the matrix into neural transmition to the brain, all in a machinery complex behind the head. So they are kind of cyborgs.

Okay, so you accept my position on pod borns being cyborgs.

That's a good step.

Now, do you think it would be impossible for the machines to have designed the body of the Anomaly in a unique way to allow for an electromagnetic connection to grant him abilities to connect to the Source?

Would this connection to the Source not explain why it is Neo, and Neo alone, who is the One (i.e. can manipulate the Matris, itself derived from the Source)?

Would this connection to the Source not also explain all of Neo's subsequent powers? Powers made latent by the machines, but triggered after Neo's rejection of the cyclical system of the Matrix?

If the answers to the above questions are "yes", then you have realised that the words of the Oracle in Revolutions are cohesive, complete, and perfectly logical; thus ending the discusssion.

PiukNeo wrote:

{Morpheus} wrote: well if there is a matrix within a matrix then that would mean there r how many one's....makes not a bit of &^$&^ sense! not to me at least. I forgot to put into my big-theory-on-the-start-of-this-thread, but it is immposible to make infinite matrix's. Imagine there were 2, the "real world" would also have the anomaly problem(by choice), so some would reject it, but it's really different here, cuz outside in the Real World for true, machines now can destroy any human being that comes aware of the fact of that reality. Just imagine it, a human being for one reason gets out(whichever it woulb be, can't imagine anyone who can get out of two matrix's), then the machines could do the same as in the "real world" of the matrix and let some live, so a Zion can be populated, put here they can kill them, cuz there is no need of prophecy and Zion to be built outside here. Ok, that is just a guess of hypothetical stuff. The question u said. There can be at most 2 matrix's Morph, cuz if there would be more than that, there would be "as many" anomalies in those systems to worry about. So too many anomalies would be in fact a mayor problem to the machines. Would never work. Instead, here there is two posibilities: either there is One matrix, with a sigle anomaly problem, or Two matrix's, with 2 anomaly problems. Simple. Infinite matrix's = Infinite Anomalies

As you said, this is all "just a guess of hypothetical stuff".

What has left me confounded and confused is this incessant need of yours to ignore the facts presented in the trilogy and go off on this tangent of admitted "hypothetical stuff".

PiukNeo wrote:

Well that is the whole point of MwM, Complete control over Humans, COMPLETE. And I saw in the animatrix movies that they won, it is clearly shown.

Uh...the machines won the war, yes.

But what has that got to do with the machines' obvious inability to create a perfect system?

Winning the war doesn't mean that their design of the Matrix is "complete".

They're two completely different things.

PiukNeo wrote:

{Morpheus} wrote: o this is about the ani-matrix. i thought it was the original matrix film we were talking about. and i also think alyce is right about that. complete control over the humans is impossile. Well you're talking a little obvious here Morph bro. We live in a world of Relativity remember? Nothing can be perfect, nothing can be 100% anything. So not even control of anything.

But you just said in your previous post that "the whole point of MwM [is] Complete control over Humans, COMPLETE. And [you] saw in the animatrix movies that they won, it is clearly shown"

So which one is it?

intell wrote:

MWaM is a belief that arises out of a lack of understanding many key points of the story that attempts to explain the story in a way that makes sense only when those key points are ignored altogether.

Absolutely.

And I am at a loss to explain why it is that - even when this thread clearly addresses the actual evidentiary stance of the trilogy's explanations, there are people who still refuse to see the forest for the trees.

max314 wrote:

intell wrote: MWaM is a belief that arises out of a lack of understanding many key points of the story that attempts to explain the story in a way that makes sense only when those key points are ignored altogether. Absolutely. And I am at a loss to explain why it is that - even when this thread clearly addresses the actual evidentiary stance of the trilogy's explanations, there are people who still refuse to see the forest for the trees.

Trees? Please, Max. It seems you have people who can barely make out the leaves. Only then can they see that they are attached to trees, which make up a forest, et cetera. Oh well, this is an uphill endevour anyway so we will see.

intell wrote:

Trees? Please, Max. It seems you have people who can barely make out the leaves. Only then can they see that they are attached to trees, which make up a forest, et cetera. Oh well, this is an uphill endevour anyway so we will see.

I guess so.