»What is 'love'«

I want to get my theory out quickly so you all can throw in your opinions... so i'll make this quick.


in the Animatrix there was an episode called "The Program" in which a woman, unaware of the programming within tha program, is being... well... tested on love.

Long story short she believes that her love betrays her.

My theory is that love is artificial. If they could easily fool her into believing of that love, which the character she loves wasnt in the world of Zion, then love could be programmed by anyone.

The ramakanji (no idea how to spell it.. and im in a hurry) believes its not what the word.. it is the feeling. A feeling that can be programmed, even for programs.

So... this i leave to you... is love real?

Rama Kandra is how you spell it

I think only the person can know that, plus love comes in all types. eg:

True love: Neo and Trin, Morph and niobe
unreiquted love: Ghost and trin, Kid and Neo
Untrue love: Niobe and locke

Love effects everyone and everything, so i think its real.

Morpheus wrote:

What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain. This is the world that you know. The world as it was at the end of the twentieth century. It exists now only as part of a neural-interactive simulation that we call the Matrix. You've been living in a dream world, Neo.

I don't support all the ideas put forward in the film I'm about to reference, but it's a great watch for exploring the concepts brought up in the Matrix trilogy. So here is a quote from "What the Bleep Do We Know?" about love-

What the Bleep Do We Know? wrote:

The brain does not know the difference between what it sees in its environment and what it remembers because the same specific neural nets are then firing. The brain is made up of tiny nerve cells called "neurons." These neurons have tiny branches that reach out and connect to other neurons to form a neural net. Each place where they connect is incubated into a thought or a memory. Now, the brain builds up all its concepts by the law of associative memory. For example, ideas, thoughts and feelings are all constructed and interconnected in this neural net - and all have a possible relationship with one another. The concept and the feeling of love, for instance is stored in this vast neural net. But we build the concept of love from many other different ideas. Some people have love connected to disappointment. When they think about love, they experience the memory of pain sorrow, anger and even rage. Rage may be linked to hurt, which may be linked to a person which then is connected back to love. We build up models of how we see the world outside of us. And the more information that we have, the more we refine our model one way or another. And what we ultimately do is tell ourselves a story about what the outside world is. Any information that we process, any information that we take in from the environment is always colored by the experiences that we've had and an emotional response that we're having to what we're bringing in. Who is in the driver's seat when we control our emotions or we respond to our emotions? We know physiologically that nerve cells that fire together wire together. If you practice something over and over, those nerve cells have a long-term relationship. If you get angry on a daily basis, if you get frustrated on a daily basis if you suffer on a daily basis if you give reason for the victimization in your life you're rewiring and reintegrating that neural net on a daily basis and that neural net now has a long-term relationship with all those other nerve cells called an "identity.'' We also know that nerve cells that don't fire together no longer wire together. They lose their long-term relationship because every time we interrupt the thought process that produces a chemical response in the body- every time we interrupt it, those nerve cells that are connected to each other start breaking the long-term relationship. When we start interrupting and observing not by stimulus and response and automatic reaction but by observing the effects it takes, then we are no longer the body-mind conscious emotional person that's responding to its environment as if it is automatic.

Deeindamatrix wrote:

Rama Kandra is how you spell it I think only the person can know that, plus love comes in all types. eg: True love: Neo and Trin, Morph and niobe unreiquted love: Ghost and trin, Kid and Neo Untrue love: Niobe and locke Love effects everyone and everything, so i think its real.

But what if that love, no matter what type, is still all artificial. Brings back the whole question of what 'real' is. You say that love effects everyone and everything, does not the artificial air in the matrix do the same?

What if, Laz? What's the point of this thought?

but love reaches to real world, so it cant be a computer program

It is a 'program' actually...also in the real world.

It's a chemical substance triggered by your 'CPU', your own brain.

This chemical substance is changing your behaviour and your view on the world. It's like a drug, you cannot fight it. Hormones are very powerfull and very hard to overcome by mental will.

The best way to 'deny' the program is to not get yourself into situations where you might fall in love with someone.

So how does that make it fake?

It's not fake. But it's an illusion. Only when the chemical substances within your body are done with their work, you are going to realize if you truly love someone or not.

So sometimes it isn't always wise to base a relationship on 'being in love'. It makes you blind! And doesn't that sound like an illusion?

so at first its like a test, but if you persist it may be "real"

Love, is a very powerfull thing, when you think that you are in love, or that you are falling love with someone, then you will do everything and anything to be with them.

and mobil_ave is right, love does make us blind. (i can say that i am blinded by love.)

Love makes you do stupid things, and you do feel when you are in love that you can do anything.

Oracle: I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Being the one is just like being in love. No one can tell you your in love, you just know it. Through and through. Balls to bones.

Neo1 wrote:

Love makes you do stupid things,...

Like sacrificing the whole of mankind for the woman you love?...

and is going to die no matter what

tozy wrote:

Oracle wrote: I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Being the one is just like being in love. No one can tell you your in love, you just know it. Through and through. Balls to bones.

And just like being the One, love can either set you free or entrench you in another system of control.

CaptPostMod wrote:

And just like being the One, love can either set you free or entrench you in another system of control.

True!

That depends on what kind of love you are talking about so please be specific as to what you are refering to at any given time.

There a few words as overused, misused, and confused as the word - LOVE.

All love can be artificial, how can we tell between the real and the fake? Most cannot.

Post for me, please some examples of 'real love' and 'false love'.

Real love would be a parent and child...

Artificial love would be attraction... something the brain interprets as love

Lazarus wrote:

Real love would be a parent and child...

Yep, I second that....

Lazarus wrote:

Artificial love would be attraction... something the brain interprets as love

Hm,... how about those couples who have transcended mere attraction and still feel a deep connection...?

What if that deep connection is just as artificial as the initial attraction?

Lazarus wrote:

What if that deep connection is just as artificial as the initial attraction?

In that case I would be quite content with experiencing an artificial feeling, because to me it is deeply satisfying...

So I guess you wouldn't leave the matrix given the chance?

And before you answer with a "I would to find love in the real world" what if love was programmed wrong? what if it feels like something else entirely?

The "real versus artificial love" argument is a seperate argument from the "love is a program" argument. If we take the latter to be true, that we are bio-electrical computers running programs of love and emotion across our CPUs, then the real versus artificial love argument becomes invalid. To an artificial mind, all reality is virtual. Therefore there is no difference between real or artificial love, there is only a difference between what associations your program of love is truely drawing in you and what you plan to do with those associations. Temet Nosce!

What you said could be used to justify what the machines had done to enslave humanity.

They wont know the difference... everyones happy.