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Neo Reloaded:
What did Neo mean when saying "Something is different. I can feel them." He couldn't feel them when he first saw them and at other times before then. Obviously whatever it was, it happened to him upon exiting the Architect's room. I tend to lean on the idea that through a stroke of biomechanical genius of the machines themselves, they create the One to be part human and part machine, using the programming of the anomaly to their advantage. They grow him as human yet implant in him special links and unique inner mechanisms connecting him to them, so to serve his purpose for them, which is of course ultimately to keep the 1 insurrectious % of humanity under their control. Neo was the sixth One they had created. Through the Oracle, they directed the resistance to finding him so he could escape, making him available to them (the machines). Consequently, also through the Oracle, they led him to the door leading to the source (incidentally, I believe the Oracle's plot to end the war was provoking Trinity to fall in love with Neo in the first place -- she believed that through such a personal love, Neo would sooner save her personally than all of humanity -- essentially, through Trinity did the Oracle unbalance the equation). In any case, Neo's built-in connection to the machines, and the purpose of his existence (for the machines), was activated in him once he stepped through the door, and was meant to aid him in restoring Zion (disseminating the code he carried, reinserting the prime program). Because he didn't do this, his new connection served a different purpose than what the machines wanted it to. It actively connected him to the machines ever after, hence his "feeling" them (a kind of seriously strong WiFi service if you will, broadcasting from his system). He had the ability to stop the sentinels through that connection. Destroying machines was obviously not something his machinery was meant to do. It was overpowered once he attempted using it for that purpose (notice he never tries it again), making him go unconscious. This disrupted, redirected, or confused the feed connecting him to the machines, hacking his mind into a state of limbo between both of his worlds, that of flesh and that of circuitry and programming: Mobil Ave (mobil is an anagram of limbo). Something to this effect anyhow.

Maybe some plotholes in this theory, and I may have missed a step, but it's my first attempt anyhow, and so far I like it. I'm obviously not in favor of the matrix-within-a-matrix theory. Too easy a copout to me for an intricate and significant plot element, and would make the whole story lose its meaning and its point.


Morpheus: How's he doing?
Tank: He's been going for 10 hours straight. He's...a machine.

tank may have forshadowed that neo himself was a machine, he was definitely conected to them so he turned off the power

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Being part machine would explain his ability to see his own kind through "mechanical" eyes, so to speak, once his biological eyes were burnt out.

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Being part machine would explain his ability to see his own kind through "mechanical" eyes, so to speak, once his biological eyes were burnt out.

It might. But that doesn't mean that is THE explanation. Look at it this way. ALL red pills are "part machine" in that they have the cybernetic implants that inable them to interface their brains with computer software. That said, it is no great feat to be able to visualize the A.I. programs running through all the machine world.

Surely, and it's of course not the only explanation, just a theory. So far as we know though, Neo was the first to visualize the machines and their creations in gold code. Could be just that no blinded person had ever before attempted, but seems to me he could see them so because he was built differently than any other humans.

Could being blinded eliminate the distraction of his visual eyes forcing him open his third eye in desperation.

Possibly possible, I suppose. I have my doubts personally. I've always seen the machines primarily as an electricity-based network, void of life and void of spirit. If they did indeed create such an intricate system, it would still be based on the rules set for them in the real world, unbreakable (provided the real world is what we see outside the matrix, which I believe it is). Some people talk about levels of spiritual enlightenment within the matrix and thus being able to advance in code color and in visualizing code color. My practical self sees it as others have, that different coding comes from different histories of the programming, and different levels of programming. Depending on one's own level and their own age would determine what they can see and what they are.

Humans could, however, achieve new interesting levels, even within the matrix, which programs and machines perhaps could not, since their brains, spirits, and psyches still function while plugged in.

Interesting: why would people even want to be unplugged when, while duped in a sense, they still have freedom of choice? Their surroundings are manipulated, yet what they do and who they are is untouchable by the programming.

Marsoullis wrote:

Here's one possible answer for this question: Destroying machines was obviously not something his machinery was meant to do. It was overpowered once he attempted using it for that purpose (notice he never tries it again), making him go unconscious. .

Neo does use his new powers in Revoloutions, when he and Trinity ride the logos to machine city. He blows up them little squid bombs, 100's of them.

OK, totally forgot that. I knew thinking on that one would be taking a gamble. Shute and I barely remember it, haven't seen Revolutions in a long time. Thanks for that. It may throw off my theory for all I know, but it's too late an hour for me to care to think about it. This rabbit's going to sleep.

he also runs the source current stuff through his own body at the end of the films when joining with Smith.

man u guys really know ur stuff! and what a good subject too. i believe neo has been give attributes of a machine but blinded to the full extent of his power so the machines could keep him in check. but when the sentinels endangered the life of trinity and the one he cared for he broke that "firewall" and tapped into his pure unfiltered abilities. human emotion cannot be controled by mechanical means, and may overpower any force.

True, and another interesting point on that note. Some wonder why the Architect would reveal Trinity's entrance into the matrix to save Neo. The answer to me is simple. The Oracle's gamble began with provoking Trin to fall in love with Neo. That was something she had probably never tried before, because none of the other Ones entered back into the matrix.

The Architect, meanwhile, had no connection with love. He knew of its existence and understood its effects, but to him, showing Trinity to Neo was simply the next significant value in the equation to account for. It would never have crossed his mind to hide it from Neo, because he was a program created to function only at a cognitive level, not in any way at an emotional one. Even upon Neo's choosing the right door, the Architect remained completely emotionless, looking less than nonchalant even when talking about hope.

Neo carries more than he realizes inside himself. Whether humanity in this real world has one original all pervasive soul is up for debate. But we know the machines do-

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Neo: AI? You mean artificial intelligence? Morpheus: A singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines.

This singular consciousness, what is it? What is its connection to the Source? A lot of people have thrown out a lot of speculation on what the Architect's mention of a "primary program" is refering to. Could that "primary program" be tied to Morpheus mention of this "singular consciouness?" If so, then Neo carries with-in himself something very unique and powerful indeed.

what could that consciousness be? i have no idea really. mbey it does have revalence to the words of the Archietect.

Marsoullis wrote:

Being part machine would explain his ability to see his own kind through "mechanical" eyes, so to speak, once his biological eyes were burnt out.

This is wrong, neo is not part machine, what he actually said at the end of m2 he says he can feel them, he also knew that the squiddies were carring a bomb.

i think that he was able to do this/have this feeling, was a result from goping to see the arcitect, and being that close to the sorce. it is possible that when he did this it somehow could have changed or alltered the anomly code inside him, giving him the ability to feel the machince in the real world.

it also could explain way he could see when he became blind. the alltered anomly code acually alltered his consisnece as well.

One can only guess. I'm convinced he could feel them because the primary program, whatever that be, was awakened in him, once he stepped through the door. But, to each his own. I believe he is part machine, and that their alluding to that in M1 was no mistake.

each to his or her own, my friend

lol amen -- his, in my case.

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each to his or her own, my friend

In my case, I'm a "his" or a guy lol, was just clarifying that for no purpose, I guess. Or maybe there was a purpose, and I've not yet found it.

I think that Zion is a program too, so that explains how he can stop them, also you can tell Zion is a program when Smith turns into Bane.

Marsoullis wrote:

Quote: each to his or her own, my friend In my case, I'm a "his" or a guy lol, was just clarifying that for no purpose, I guess. Or maybe there was a purpose, and I've not yet found it.

LOL, thats cool.

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I think that Zion is a program too, so that explains how he can stop them, also you can tell Zion is a program when Smith turns into Bane.

Interesting, yeah. I could never tell Bane/Smith was a program in Zion. In fact I noticed the opposite. Him later going on about being trapped inside a piece of meat and the like, doesn't sound much like a program to me. Obviously if it were one, it would be very well encrypted, but still.

The problem with the "matrix-within-a-matrix" theory is that people have deduced it for the sake of a means, while having forgotten to give it an end. Sure, it provides an explanation to how Neo stops machines (the Oracle gives the best explanation of all at the beginning of M3 for that). Meanwhile, the theory deteriorates the whole point of the story. The principles of this story are choice, purpose, freedom, war, etc. What is the point of there being another matrix, encapturing all the humans, and the machines as well for that matter? If that were the case, we're missing so many puzzle pieces that the entire idea becomes too big to care about -- more or less a joke. I've come to call it the "easy-way-out theory." Anyhow, that's my 3:30 am thought on that.

mrbrown950 wrote:

I think that Zion is a program too....

The discussion of whether or not Zion is a program is a little different than MWAM. Because Zion is a programmed world even if it is real. It may have been a place originally protected by the humans, but it fell to the machines long ago. And now it is a piece of the Architect's design. Zion exists as another system of control with-in the Matrix even if it is not physically located inside the Matrix network.