»sati the next architect?«

AT the end of m3 sati creates that sunrise.

Quote:

Oracle:did you do that? Sati:for neo

So i was wondering if she found her purpose which was to be the next architect? dunno?
post your thoughts.

No no no!

Sati is going to be the next Persephone when she grows up, having herself huge tits.

Then Neo is going to resurrect as a program and he is going to behave snobby just like the Merovigian.

And then Sati is going to rise the sun, so that she can wear a bikini and seduce Neo with her huge brown tits.

o.k whatever floats ur boat
any actual plausible thoughts about my idea?

I dont know Mobil_Ave does rise a few good points

Sati and the creation of the beautiful sunrise is a metaphor for one who has evolved along the path of spiritual enlightenment. When one has reached the point that Neo does (or before as in my personal situation) and ones awareness is enhanced your perceptions change and the world becomes a fantastically beautiful place. One can see the beauty of existence everywhere and in everything.

Deeindamatrix wrote:

I dont know Mobil_Ave does rise a few good points

Thats not the only thing that was rising when he was thinking about that post.

LOL

My take on Sati works by looking at her parents-

Rama, Sati's father, appears to be an intuitive program. His way of approaching the human and machine condition is very much based in a psychological world view.

Kamala, Sati's mother, appears to be a mathematical program. "What are you doing here? You don't belong here."- is, as Rama says, a very direct statement. Kamala shows little intuitive nature and is very mathematically cold with her tone and words.

So as their child, Sati is a joining between an intuitive program and a mathmatical one.

She then could be a future bridge between the gap that seperates the Architect as supreme mathematical program and the Oracle as supreme intuitive program.

so what you are saying that she is a hybrid program, capable of changing and understanding the human race and the matrix.

but if that is so then, want she already have a purpose.

Thus did man become the architect of his own demise.
(Second Renaissance, part 1)

We know that Neo has evolved the Matrix (-> the mind), allowing Sati to exist and operate within.

I think, for the time being the architect - the rational - will keep his job, but he will have to live with an increasing interference into his programming by Sati - awareness - as an expression of the evolution of the mind through Neo's enlightenment -> "good morning" -> sunrises (-> MXO story cinematics, chapter one -> thematrixonline.station.sony.com...)

Still,... it's just fragile sunrises.... (matrix-explained.com...)

Any news on the MXO storyline?

Neo1 wrote:

so what you are saying that she is a hybrid program,

Yep

Neo1 wrote:

capable of changing and understanding the human race and the matrix.

Well, we know she can change the Matrix for sure. I think that she is just beginning to learn about the human condition. "Cookies need love like everything else."

Neo1 wrote:

but if that is so then, want she already have a purpose.

I think she does, she just hasn't grown into it yet. As the Oracle says in ETM, "Because I believe the child is important.... She will change both your world and our world forever."

Speaking of ETM, is it made capable for Mac?

marsoullis wrote:

Speaking of ETM, is it made capable for Mac?

Thankyou for ruining a beautiful moment, by buting in.

CaptPostMod wrote:

I think she does, she just hasn't grown into it yet. As the Oracle says in ETM, "Because I believe the child is important.... She will change both your world and our world forever."

But if that is so then how does Sati exist. each machine/program is created with a purpose, to fasilate some funtion with in the matrix. She cant grow into her purpose, or find it, she would have had to have had when she was created.

or maybe she did and sati was like the prophecy, just another system of control, for the path of the one.

But remember, that is why Rama is bringing Sati into the Matrix through the Trainman to begin with.

Rama wrote:

The answer is simple. I love my daughter very much. I find her to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But where we are from, that is not enough. Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter.

Sati is a hybrid program. A combination of an intuitive program (Rama) and a mathematical program (Kamala). She was made illegally, however, because she serves no purpose as far as the machines are concerned.

The Oracle sees purpose in her though. But just like Neo, Sati is not immediately ready for her purpose. It is there and could change both worlds when realized.

Anything I can do, Neo . Butting in's actually what a forum's all about.

Marsoullis wrote:

Anything I can do, Neo . Butting in's actually what a forum's all about.

its all good, in tha hood. just mess'n man

CaptPostMod wrote:

But remember, that is why Rama is bringing Sati into the Matrix through the Trainman to begin with. Rama wrote: The answer is simple. I love my daughter very much. I find her to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But where we are from, that is not enough. Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter. Sati is a hybrid program. A combination of an intuitive program (Rama) and a mathematical program (Kamala). She was made illegally, however, because she serves no purpose as far as the machines are concerned. The Oracle sees purpose in her though. But just like Neo, Sati is not immediately ready for her purpose. It is there and could change both worlds when realized.

but if that is so, and she was made illegaly both rama and kamala would have to have some purpose for making her. even if she knew it or not.

I dont think she was made illegally. She was made and when they were complete they found there was no purpose for her which would lead to deletion.

Neo1 wrote:

Rama wrote: The answer is simple. I love my daughter very much. I find her to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But where we are from, that is not enough. Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter. but if that is so, and she was made illegaly both rama and kamala would have to have some purpose for making her. even if she knew it or not.

Creating a program for a purpose means that there is a job to be done, and the program is limited by, and bound to, fulfilling this job.

I don't think Rama and Kamala had any special job in mind when creating their daughter. Rather they felt a connection and gave expression to this connection by combining what they both are into a new program.

And that, I believe, is the ground of Sati's potential power to change the world:

A program created for a purpose, is not only limited by, and bound to, its purpose;... it is also limited by the capabilities of its creator, because the capabilities of the newly created program are based on the capablities and experiences of the creating program.
For that reason, a limited program cannot create unlimited growth in another program as a purpose; what the new program would grow into, is beyond the creating program's knowledge and understanding.
Thus, In a world of purpose, upgrades - step by step growth - are inevitable.

Sati, however, not only combines the very different capabilities of her parents,.... she also is not limited by, and bound to, a purpose. She is free to grow (-> child!) into what her experiences teach her -> she is... potential...

...now guided by the Oracle.
-> Sati has not been created for a purpose, but that doesn't mean that she won't serve a purpose....

so really satis creation was through, love, and not purpose. and it is only through her love that her full potential is showen

Yeah but what bothers me is this...

Isn't it ALOT of coincidence that they decided to make their love baby at about the exact same time as Neo would come visit Mobil Ave station?

Describing her as the new prime program who lost her purpose in an early stage because Neo decided not to reload/re-insert the prime program makes more sense in the timeline.

Interesting possibility, mobil. One would think the architect, being mechanical and deductive, would have made an alternate provision, had the One ever chosen the right door, rather than leaving the loose end of another anomaly. But, if she was the next anomaly, I guess she was unavoidably going to appear upon the next iteration of the matrix.

Question is, did that iteration begin once he stepped through a door, or does it officially begin once Zion begins to be reconstructed from the 23?

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Describing her as the new prime program who lost her purpose in an early stage because Neo decided not to reload/re-insert the prime program makes more sense in the timeline.

Mobil, that's a very interesting approach. I have to admit, I never even considered the possibility that she may have lost her purpose as opposed to being created for no purpose...
It's just that I believe her appearance as an innocent and unbiased child (to grow into an adult,...learning from experience along the way) is a hint at her potential to grow/evolve freely,...as opposed to a program that has been created for a purpose and thus is a more or less fully developed (into what it is supposed to be) "adult" upon "birth",... incarcerated by its purpose, as we learn from Smith in Reloaded.

Also, we have to consider that the agreement between the Oracle and Rama to sacrifice the Oracle's shell to Merv in order to save Sati from deletion, has been made (and is being executed -> Rama at Merv's restaurant) before Neo even gets near the architect room.

What do you think?

Neo1 wrote:

so really satis creation was through, love, and not purpose. and it is only through her love that her full potential is showen

Yep,... that's how I understand it.
Love, not purpose, is the reason for her existence. And, as mentioned above, her freedom from the bounds and limits of purpose, gives her the potential to grow freely, based on her experiences.
Her experiences - so far - have been her parents' unconditioned and self-sacrificial love for her, conditioning her into what she is upon meeting Neo.
And the Oracle will continue her education:

Oracle: Cookies need love like everything does.

Neo: It's a... human emotion.
Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.

tozy wrote:

Also, we have to consider that the agreement between the Oracle and Rama to sacrifice the Oracle's shell to Merv in order to save Sati from deletion, has been made (and is being executed -> Rama at Merv's restaurant) before Neo even gets near the architect room. What do you think?

Rama says that he talked to the Oracle first before he visited the Merovigian. These events happen right after the Oracle's talk with Neo in the park, where even the Oracle seems curious about Neo's choice: "do you see her die?", she asks sincerely and after see realizes what choice Neo had mad, she says: "you made a believer out of me".

So I think she then, before the Architect, anticipates that Neo is not going to reload the prime program and she warns Rama and Kamala in advance.

When Neo goes into a 'coma', this is just minutes past the scene where he chose not to reload the prime program. And when Neo arrives at the trainstation, Sati and her parents are already there, save from 'the Source' which cannot delete Sati now.

What is even more interesting to think about is this:

The sacrifize of the Oracle's shell was improvised because of Gloria Foster's unfortunate death. What would Rama Kandra have offered to the Merovigian if Gloria Foster would have lived?

And how could Rama Kandra have spoken with the Oracle before he spoke to the Merovingian. Doesn't he have to get past the trainstation first? Or can the Oracle, just like the Architect seems to do, replace herself from the Matrix to the Machine World?

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

So I think she then, before the Architect, anticipates that Neo is not going to reload the prime program and she warns Rama and Kamala in advance.

Hm,... Rama tells Neo: I consulted with her before I met with the Frenchman. She promised she would look after Sati after we said goodbye.

To me,....this sounds like Rama approaching the Oracle for help,...

Also, he says: Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted...

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

When Neo goes into a 'coma', this is just minutes past the scene where he chose not to reload the prime program. And when Neo arrives at the trainstation, Sati and her parents are already there, save from 'the Source' which cannot delete Sati now.

I agree with you that this is no coincidence.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

What is even more interesting to think about is this: The sacrifize of the Oracle's shell was improvised because of Gloria Foster's unfortunate death. What would Rama Kandra have offered to the Merovigian if Gloria Foster would have lived?

I'd love to know the original version of that part of the script! But I don't think that the rewrites have affected Sati's nature.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

And how could Rama Kandra have spoken with the Oracle before he spoke to the Merovingian. Doesn't he have to get past the trainstation first? Or can the Oracle, just like the Architect seems to do, replace herself from the Matrix to the Machine World?

I very much guess so; after all:

Rama-Kandra: I cannot say. Who knows such things? Only the Oracle.
Neo: You know the Oracle?
Rama-Kandra: Everyone knows the Oracle.