»My ideas on the Matrix«

Im new to the forums, but I thought I would share my thoughts on the Matrix series.

First things first, Neo is a program, a program that keeps getting tweaked and changed by the Architech. He mentions this was the 5-6th version of the matrix and gives Neo the choice to choose the logical "save Zion" path or the illogical path of Love. All the other "Neos" have choosen the logical path, which is what computer programs do, but what the Architect is trying to do is create a program that can Love. When Neo is talking to Councillor Hamann down in the machine room, Councillor Hamann mentions that humans need machines and machines need humans. Humans need the machines to survive, and the Machines need the humans to survive, now that solar power is no longer an option.

Even in the real world Neo is a program, you know this is possible because Smith injects himself into a guy that then gets out of the Matrix, I dont remember his name. This is how Neo is able to stop the sentinels in the real world.

With respect to the Merovingian, he to is also a program, which is why he is able to change the world around him. This is how he is like Neo.

As for Smith, he used to be a program, but he is now a virus. An out of control virus that is infecting everyone around him. The reason Neo and Smith cant kill each other are both their programs have the same amount of power, which is why even though there are thousands of Smiths its still a tie.

At the end of the 2nd film Neo chooses the illogical path of Love, which means the Architect's job is done, since he has successfully made a program that can Love. In the third film Neo goes to the Source to help destroy the virus Smith. The Source cant destroy Smith because it is out of his control. Stuff physically connected to the Matrix can be controlled by the Source, but stuff that happens inside the Matrix cant be controlled, like cell phones, and conversations between people. Neo allows the Source to connect to his program, then Neo allows the Smith virus to infect him. Since the Source is now directly connected to the Smith virus he is able to kill him.

I know I'm missing something, if you have any questions let me know and I'll try to answer them

Raider

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All the other "Neos" have choosen the logical path, which is what computer programs do, but what the Architect is trying to do is create a program that can Love.

Well, the machines already have programs that can love, just see Sati and her dad. Other then that I don't see why the arch should pursue this mission.

And Neo is human, he can't be a program in the Matrix, since programs are unable to break the rules which within they have been created. He does undeniable have some ties to the Matrix, but that doesn't make him a program, more like a "administrator" in the great OS that Matrix is.

Programs can break the rules if they are programmed to have the ability to. The agents are programs that can bend the rules, Neo is one that is allowed to break them.

Could you be more precise as to how they should do this? And where within the movies that you base this on? The Agents are only allowed to bend the rules, not break them.

A program without rules would be like a human without skin.

You don't see your computer programs do this right?, so it's not something that just happens, therefore you should have a explaination as to how programs would be able to function without rules.

Programs cannot break the rules. They are AI-consciousness trapped in a mechanical structure.

Smith cannot break the rules. He has to assimilate alot of minds (more minds = more power) and other programs in order to become stronger and to perform 'tricks' like flying (I think he uses the programs that govern the wind and gravity in order for him to fly).

programs like the agents cannot break the rules, but neo's program is designed in a way that allows him to break the rules.

The agents as far as i know have no body at all, they are simply AI; while neo is an AI-conscious trapped inside a human body.

Danakaz wrote:

And Neo is human, he can't be a program in the Matrix, since programs are unable to break the rules which within they have been created. He does undeniable have some ties to the Matrix, but that doesn't make him a program, more like a "administrator" in the great OS that Matrix is.

We know that he is a program and not human, because of Neo's conversation with the Architect. The Architect tells Neo he is the Nth (i dont remember the exact number) version.

compnerd wrote:

programs like the agents cannot break the rules, but neo's program is designed in a way that allows him to break the rules.

Not designed. Neo's human body/brain is designed to carry out this function. But the rule breaking is thanks to summarized value that Neo's RSI carries. And we know that this was not a design, but rather the result of an unfortunate 'bug' in the programming of the Matrix.

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We know that he is a program and not human, because of Neo's conversation with the Architect. The Architect tells Neo he is the Nth (i dont remember the exact number) version.

Yeah but he also tells Neo that he will remain irrecovably human. So check you facts!

Neo is the only one that can break the laws/rules of the matrix, only throught the anomly code, ie flying, stoping bullets etc. and as for the agents they cannot break these laws/rules for the simple reson that they are apart of the system.

I Always Believed that it was Neo's deep understanding that the matrix was merley a simulation for rules, that gave him the ability to completley break all the rules, and not a RSI code. After all isnt it this belief that gives the Zionities the power too bend the rules, wall running, superhuman strength
jumping rooftops? This deep understanding allows him too see the matrix for what it really is....a fake world.

What are your thoughts?

loudbark wrote:

I Always Believed that it was Neo's deep understanding that the matrix was merley a simulation for rules, that gave him the ability to completley break all the rules, and not a RSI code. After all isnt it this belief that gives the Zionities the power too bend the rules, wall running, superhuman strength jumping rooftops? This deep understanding allows him too see the matrix for what it really is....a fake world. What are your thoughts?

that right. Free your mind. once you realise the truth then anything is possible. but in saying that it is the anomly code in Neo that which i believe gives him the abilities that the other zionites cant do.

Yes I believe the same thing.

Morpheus and Trinity can only bend the rules to the max. They free their mind against gravity so that they can jump higher and longer, but in the end they still have to obey to the rule, because they simply will fall back to the ground.

Neo can go a step further when he frees his mind. The sum of the anomalous code allows him to break every rule.

Why thankyou Mobile_ave, for agreeing with me

Neo has to be more then human though because he was able to stop the Machines in the real world.

Whats this RSI you guys are talking about.[/b]

Risidual Self Image, it is the image that you see of yourself when you are inside the matrix.

as explained by Morpheus in m1

Greetings All,
I am on the search for the 'Truth' and I am hoping some of you people will help me. I am now sure I will check back here, so if you are interested in helping me, please email me or add my msn which is ... Stupid email address

All I have found is about our consiousness, here take a look;

Trinity_Rose wrote:

Greetings All, I am on the search for the 'Truth' and I am hoping some of you people will help me. I am now sure I will check back here, so if you are interested in helping me, please email me or add my msn which is ... Stupid email address All I have found is about our consiousness, here take a look; arrod.co.uk... Hope To Hear From You Soon, Shadow

Trinity rose, we are all looking for the truth, me being one of them, but know can show you the truth, you have to walk the path of truth yourself. It is out there and when you and i are ready to see it will reveal itself.

that is the only help i can give you.

Neo1 wrote:

Trinity_Rose wrote: Greetings All, I am on the search for the 'Truth' and I am hoping some of you people will help me. I am now sure I will check back here, so if you are interested in helping me, please email me or add my msn which is ... Stupid email address All I have found is about our consiousness, here take a look; arrod.co.uk... Hope To Hear From You Soon, Shadow Trinity rose, we are all looking for the truth, me being one of them, but know can show you the truth, you have to walk the path of truth yourself. It is out there and when you and i are ready to see it will reveal itself. that is the only help i can give you.

Thankyou Neo,
I am greatful for your help.
Now is it possible you have MSN Messanger,
so I can speak with you personally?
Shadow

Trinity_Rose wrote:

Thankyou Neo, I am greatful for your help. Now is it possible you have MSN Messanger, so I can speak with you personally? Shadow

No i dont, for some reason it runs and then doesn't run, it shits me.

But if you would like to speal to me personlly then just send me a private message.

Oeh...kinky

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Oeh...kinky

Yeh' thats kinky'er than the Rave Scenes'

LOL deffinatly kinky then

I think that in the Matrix trilogy everything is a simulation
Zion is a program inside a program. The problem was choice, and the machines solved it, the humans have two choices: To accept The Matrix or to "be free", it doesnt matter wich they choose, its all a simulation, nothing is random. What is Neo, is it human or a program? I think he is a Program that is not doing what is supposed to be doing, so he chooses for exile. he goes from the simulated world 1 (real world) to the simulated world 2 (Zion and the destroyed world).

Morpheus :says that he was looking for Neo all his life. That is because he is like an "Anti virus", that is designed to be looking for a System Failure (Neo). the other people in Zion have choices inside the program they are really free in a way, because not everyone believes in him.

Smith: Smith is a security program for Matrix wich only porpouse is to delete the programs that are failing (Neo).
But, when Neo goes inside him, as he said a part of Neo printed on him, that makes Smith a System Failure too, so in Matrix 2, he is no longer an agent; he is a virus. Why he can do the same things as Neo in Matrix 3? Because there is a connection with Neo from day one, on fact they are the same System Failure, so the fight between them in the Trilogy is like a System Failure fightin agains itself. so in a way its "Imploding" The failure destroys itself and the Matrix goes back to the original one.

Your right about him being a virus, but Neo wasnt a virus. If the two were the same and "cancelled" each other out Neo shouldnt have needed the Source to kill the virus agent smith, and he did need the Source. The reason Neo isnt brought back is that he is no longer needed. He was the test program that the Architect was creating, since the Architect successfully made a program that can love (illogical path) Neo was no longer needed.

The idea that both worlds are a simulation is a very interesting idea, and would defineately explain how Neo was able to stop the sentinels in the "real world". That would also explain how Zion got reset the other times when the Neo program choose the logical path. They didnt actually kill everyone minus a man and a woman like teh Architect threatens to do, they just hit the reset button.