»IS AGENT SMITH DEAD«

What happened to agent smith.Is he dead.If so how.Wat happened to other agents.Will agent smith return?
can some one clearly explain.

My theory:
matrix-explained.com...

Do you mean to say he is dead.

wasnt techincally he never alive?

CHAITANYA wrote:

Do you mean to say he is dead. Deeindamatrix wrote: wasnt techincally he never alive?

I'd say, technically he never was an independent living entity; he existed through Neo, as an aspect of him:

The ego is Atman's poor cousin, the false center, which assumes the position of control and ownership, where as in actual reality it is a mere reflection, a product of illusion and a mental projection, born out of sensory experiences and the accumulation of memories and thoughts. While the basis of Atman is reality, permanence and Bliss, the nature of ego is illusion, impermanence and suffering.

The ego of a living being is permanently situated in ignorance and gloom and needs to be rescued from eternal doom and damnation by the indwelling Atman.
hinduwebsite.com...

I said in my ego-thread, that Neo and Smith are two forces within the same identity. Both forces are a striving for growth.
Smith (-> this is MY world) seeks to grow in the ego, Neo (-> know thyself) seeks to grow in awareness of the true Self/Atman.
And I believe that DEM is a metaphorical expression of the Atman.

So, when Neo stills his mind by surrendering to Smith, he surrenders his ego to his true nature, the Atman.
I believe this - matrix-explained.com... - is a metaphorical expression of enlightenment -> full awareness of his true nature (light = spirit) "entering" and completely filling Neo's consiousness, "killing" the "I" with the All.
And this pic (the bottom one) - matrix-explained.com... - is a metaphorical expression of Brahman (formless light -> no-thing -> nothing)

So, yes, I believe Smith is dead, because Neo no longer exists as a seperate entity.

tozy, fantastic post!

This thread also re-brings up my final post from the delimited spirit thread.

If ego is only an illusion of perception, then what is the difference between artificial egos and real egos? Of course, there is none if both are only illusions of perception. So then a thing that perceives it is living dies just the same as a thing that is living. Of course, this is a very popular theme in sci-fi (Bladerunner, Metropolis, Data from Star Trek, yadda yadda).

What i wanted to know is in matrix first episode at the end neo gets into smith and alters his code something like breaks his code.Is he not terminated there.I don't know how he is back in matrix reloaded.And more or less same thing repeated in matrix revolutions he does somewhat similar thing breaks his code.Why won't smith will return as he does in matrix reloaded.

CaptPostMod wrote:

If ego is only an illusion of perception, then what is the difference between artificial egos and real egos?

I don't have much time...therefore just a thought:
What is the difference between creation and (in)dependent origination?

CHAITANYA wrote:

What i wanted to know is in matrix first episode at the end neo gets into smith and alters his code something like breaks his code.Is he not terminated there.I don't know how he is back in matrix reloaded.And more or less same thing repeated in matrix revolutions he does somewhat similar thing breaks his code.Why won't smith will return as he does in matrix reloaded.

I'll get back to that after the weekend.

tozy wrote:

CaptPostMod wrote: If ego is only an illusion of perception, then what is the difference between artificial egos and real egos? I don't have much time...therefore just a thought: What is the difference between creation and (in)dependent origination?

To get back to that:
If we argue that the ego is only an illusion of perception, the underlying reality of a human ego is Atman or Buddha nature,.... pure potentiality.
How about an AI ego?

CHAITANYA wrote:

What i wanted to know is in matrix first episode at the end neo gets into smith and alters his code something like breaks his code.Is he not terminated there.I don't know how he is back in matrix reloaded....

An important aspect of delusion is that the deluded is not aware of being deluded. Secretly, like the agents in M1, the forces of Maya maintain our existence within the illusion.
-> Neo being unaware of being plugged into the Matrix,... and unaware of the existence of agents.

But once Neo becomes aware of being deluded...
-> waking up from the Matrix and seeing the "real world"

...he becomes aware of the power which keeps up the delusion.
-> he comes to understand these people and suits and with glasses for what they are: agents of the system

The more Neo is lifting the veil clouding the truth behind the illusion, the more the deluding forces of Maya transcend Maya and accumulate in his ego
-> Neo's powers within the Matrix grow; Smith removes himself from the system and becomes Neo’s personal opponent.

When Neo transcends his mere awareness of being deluded by seeing through this delusion...
-> Neo becoming the One and seeing the code behind the Matrix

...the power of delusion is no longer a representation of the illusion, but becomes his personal opponent...
-> Neo unplugging Smith from the system and making him an exile.

In the end of M1, Neo destroys Smith, the agent of the system. And he creates Smith, his personal opponent, his negative.

CHAITANYA wrote:

...And more or less same thing repeated in matrix revolutions he does somewhat similar thing breaks his code.Why won't smith will return as he does in matrix reloaded.

In M1, Neo - still in a state of seperation from his true Self - breaks Smith's code.
In Revolutions, DEM, whom I consider to be the Atman and thus Neo's true Self - the ALL - destroys Smith for good.

I don't know how I missed this post orginally, tozy. But it totally rocks