»The secret name of neo..«

mobil_ave_neo

i am telling you that there is a code at work. i am not leading you on either. there is more to it.

and arrogant is something that i am not.

when i say that you are intelligent, i mean it.

i actually do see that you have a good understanding of the trilogy. but it is not in a rock solid kind of way. and i think that you know that.

but if you have been searching for answers for sometime. wouldnt you be willing to listen to something that doesnt seem to make sense. but actually does make sense?

i might seem intense, but it is only because i know what i am talking about.. otherwise i would be sitting on here asking you questions. and i mean you.

you do have a good understanding. but it is only the tip of the iceberg.

all i ask is that you free your mind a bit from the facade and take a better look.

but that is your choice mobil_ave_neo.

and if you dont like what i say, then dont post a reply to me.


and i will say one last thing to you, before never talking to you again..

you were close with your anti one theory involving you and i.

and if you are clever enough you will understand what i am going to say.

you have chosen a side, and i have a side.

mobil = ....?
me= .

you are my opposite on this forum..

i will come back once more never to return again

i hope i have at least woken you up a bit

farewell

I am no longer wasting any time on you.

I would suggest this to other respected forum users too.

Making myself strong to ban him won't be fair, because the sicko's also have rights in our society.

But a mass ignore is the best for such things.

I am just concerned because you are barging into good discussions and you are polluting them, scaring off interested readers.

mobil_ave_neo

this thread is actually a very legitimate one.
and you are barging on here saying that it is rubbish.

and where did you get sicko from anyway?
i am actually very genuine on this forum.

the question is.

can you actually disprove the topic of this thread.

i know that you are just saying that it is rubbish because this thread actually says that i know more than you do..

or maybe you are just too arrogant to see the truth in it.

mobil it doesnt bother me that you oppose me. it bothers you that what i say condradicts your statements..

you also obviously have the notion that the A in neos name doesnt mean anything. but i beg to differ..

the a in neos name is a secret. and once you have uncovered it, it gives away the game.

and it is a game. and you are controlled by it.

i hate seeing people being played by it..

you may think that i am a sicko and a bad guy, but i do have good intentions towards people..

but think what you want to think about me. it doesnt bother me one iota.

also i dont have any ties to the matrix franchise. and i am not profiting by what i say..

and i am also not a fan and i am not trying to sabotage the matrix..


i dont understand what you get from my evidence on this thread.. and how does it not make sense?

anyway i will leave you in peace to roost on your throne once again mobil.. and understand that i am angry, but donot hate.

the only things that i hate are reloaded, revolutions, the animatrix,enter the matrix, the path of neo, and especially the matrix online..

but i dont hate any people..

one more thing..

ignore me and you ignore the truth

please the first one.don't make any other silly post.i know that you try hard to find some truth in such things but i am sure you are wrong.yes, the brothers have used codes and hidden meanings but have nothing to do with what you say.you got it all wrong.you think that you know the truth,and we don't.you think you can free our minds with what you are saying.but please please please understand that you are 100% wrong with the theories that you come with.mobil ave neo is right.you are spamming the forum.i agree with almost all of the theories of mobil.he does a good research,while you t h i n k you are doing good research.i won't tell you: "cut the drugs you take" or anythink else.i hope that you stop posting such theories,and think what are your mistakes.
(bad english,uh?)

I, actually, have been waiting for FirstOne to say something besides, 'I know what I'm talking about, accept what I'm telling you because I thought about it.' And then follow up all that with 'I know Neo's middle name'.

Wow! What an earth-shaking discovery that is! And then if you take the last five letters it become ZeroOne, not! Ah man, how deep! ROTFLMAO!

You say that you've been where "we" are with our theories. I say, 'perhaps' up till the point where you started to see things that are not there. omg.

Here's a challenge, FirstOne. Answer this question, "what is the matrix?"

And mobil, you explain where you're coming from pretty good. But surely you see a lot of holes in you Anti-One theory, too. Think about the real-world message of the movies. If you know who Oracle and Arc represent, and you know what the anomaly is, (which you should, you said it before), then it would not be hard to surmise what Agent Smith, who later became just Smith represents.

You're close when you speak of certain agents taking their "job" seriously but you detour from your usual insight about the technical and spiritual/religious approaches with your explanation as to why that is so. Get back to me on this one.

Here's something to think about in the mean-time. There are things that are happening that are beyond the control of those in charge. Exiles are one thing, and that whole introduction to mobil ave is significant in pointing this out to the audience. The film is called Revolution S, not just Zion's Revolution. Do you know what I'm getting at?

Now Smith's rebellion is part of the unplanned developments. It's what he had been seeking all along. You remember. "Once Zion is destroyed, there's no reason for me to be here. Do you understand?" If Zion is destroyed with no one able to repopulate it, the matrix will crash just like those 2 previous matrices in which the allowance for choice was removed.

And here's one for our friend, First One, too.

In M1 which you like, Neo makes a choice between saving himself or Morpheus. He chooses Morph and unknowingly saves Zion.

In Reloaded, (which you don't like) he makes the choice of whether Trin lives or dies, chooses Trin and saves Zion again, again unknowingly.

In Revolutions (which you really don't like), he chooses whether the fate of the world lies in his own hands or the Smith's. He makes his choice and saves all. Knowingly this time, which should answer all those Satori questions.

Speak again, later, shall we?
n-tell out

i do understand what mobil_ave_neo says. and it does make sense..

except its only the tip of the iceberg in relation to the true depth and meaning of the matrix..

yes i have been there in relation to the purpose of mobil ave in revolutions. and i do know the relationships of which you speak of in your theories..

and i have been listening quietly to what you guys say.

but try to understand that the matrix goes far beyond what you can imagine is and is not.

the matrix has been designed to be a puzzle, and although i have not totally come to a 100% understanding of it. i have found the code which helps you figure it out..

this code actually relates to just about everything within this world..

and to not be rude..

i will answer your questions..

in reloaded choice is being told to be an illusion. this means that fate has been at work all along. and it is an illusion that has been handed to man by the machines, right?

but in the first movie the oracle guides neo to being the one. neo is making his own choices. the oracle has simply told him all he needed to hear. that is why the oracle says that neo is in control of his own life.

when the oracle told neo that one of you will die. this puts the idea in neos head that if i go into the matrix, only one of us will die. so if neo dies, then morpheus wont. but if morpheus dies then i wont.. so you see that neo understands that he can make a difference already..
you see that neo has the choice to go back into the matrix or not.. the oracle has simply told him what he needed to hear. plus neos first choice was not made by him. in regards to the pills. it was made by his governing program within the matrix. neos actual first choice was to save morpheus. the first so called choice is the choice that has to do with control.

with the choice in reloaded as regards to the architect. the architect has given neo 2 choices. but if neo has the ability to do whatever he wants with the matrix. then he wouldnt be at the source at all. neo could walk through walls and have xray vision. so the idea that the rebels had to black out the city block is just a complete farce..
i reckon that neo could of destroyed the matrix at the end of the first movie.. that is my taking..

in regards to saving trinity.. that whole choice just turned out to be pointless. as trinity dies at the end of the trilogy.
it is my taking that the trinity has been made to look worthless. but on the other hand you have deus ex machina crucifying neo at the end.
so what the last 2 movies are saying is that there is no trinity. but we will put jesus crucifiction into the story line anyway.

as i have studied the matrix for a long time i have found that the man born inside the matrix can be seen as the first coming of christ.. and neo is the second coming.
also m1 shows that neo was crucified at the end of m1.
so for the crucifiction at the end of m3 to be true. neo would have had to have been killed in the first movie. and it would also mean that there was no man born inside at all.

but that cant be right. because someone had to have freed the first people.

thankyou i hope i answered your questions

i will let you in on some of the code that i have been working on, but i will not tell you how i aquired it..

ok

trinity= 7
morpheus=7
neo=7

= 21 2+1 = 3 for trio or trinity

the one = 2
man born inside = 2 = 2 parts of the one person
jesus = 1

thomas antonio anderson = 2

and please understand that i have worked these out.. i have not just made up a number for them

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

i will let you in on some of the code that i have been working on, but i will not tell you how i aquired it.. ok trinity= 7 morpheus=7 neo=7 = 21 2+1 = 3 for trio or trinity the one = 2 man born inside = 2 = 2 parts of the one person jesus = 1 thomas antonio anderson = 2 and please understand that i have worked these out.. i have not just made up a number for them

Matrix Definition "A situation or surrounding substance within which something else originates, develops, or is contained. In the bible a Matrix is a womb. 777 is the number for God.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

i reckon that neo could of destroyed the matrix at the end of the first movie.. that is my taking..

Yes, destroy the Matrix, slaughter the machines, MORE DEATH, KILL, DESTROY, WIPE OUT THE MACHINES COMPLETELY!

Had it been a normal trilogy, the machines and the Matrix might have been totally obliterated, but as it turns out, the movies message is different, it's something other than the "good" guys defeating the "bad" guys with force.

this relates to the coding..

6 9
The Oracle = 6
6 9
The Sun = 6

seems funny that these 2 numbers are exactly the same.
plus the oracle does have a sun clock in her apartment..

both of the numbers in the names add up to 6.

6 is also the number of man..

it is also around 6 o clock when neo is at the oracles apartment.

also when he visits the oracle it is during daylight savings time.

so have a guess

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

so have a guess

Ok. I am guessing that you are here because you think you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you try, making it more and more obvious that you don't know as much as you think you know.

*NOT CLAIMING I KNOW A BUNCH OF STUFF!*

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

this relates to the coding.. 6 9 The Oracle = 6 6 9 The Sun = 6 seems funny that these 2 numbers are exactly the same. plus the oracle does have a sun clock in her apartment.. both of the numbers in the names add up to 6. 6 is also the number of man.. it is also around 6 o clock when neo is at the oracles apartment. also when he visits the oracle it is during daylight savings time. so have a guess

Okay. I need an answer now. Did you watch these movies or go over them with a CSI evidense collection kit?

I do see where you are coming from, but for it to be that indepth, someone had to have had a reason for putting so many numbers and number symbols into the movie for a purpose. This would have required quite a bit of thinking, and an eventual purpose in then end for the person finding an answer to the puzzle, not merely a quest with no purpose. So my question is, if there is alot of numerology in the movie, what is it's purpose, and what is the author trying to say, and why would it be so well hidden?

Things are made they way they are for people to stay with it, think, talk and discuss about it... and of course to make some more money with it...

... but no, there is no world-spanning conspiracy at work and we are not living in the Matrix. If you think the opposit then you should turn off your computer now and go outside to get some fresh air and sunlight...

starcrow wrote:

Things are made they way they are for people to stay with it, think, talk and discuss about it... and of course to make some more money with it... ... but no, there is no world-spanning conspiracy at work and we are not living in the Matrix. If you think the opposit then you should turn off your computer now and go outside to get some fresh air and sunlight...

Wow it took longer than I expected to have someone talking out the side of their neck. I'm impressed.

There are many world spanning conspiracies at work and will continue to be whether people believe them or not. The beauty of it, is that even truth can be made to be a lie when the word conspiracy is casually tossed around. That's why "they" can do whatever they want to do, because the truth is easily discredited. Whether my computer is off and I am breathing fresh air and standing in the sunlight or not. But to convince is not my aim, only to see them make more money.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

in regards to saving trinity.. that whole choice just turned out to be pointless. as trinity dies at the end of the trilogy. it is my taking that the trinity has been made to look worthless. but on the other hand you have deus ex machina crucifying neo at the end. so what the last 2 movies are saying is that there is no trinity. but we will put jesus crucifiction into the story line anyway.

I wouldn't say it was pointless. When Neo chooses to save Trinity in Reloaded he chooses love. It is love that helps him find his way. Just like love can help us find our way. If we go against love we are most assuredly going against what is right. We also see that Christ chose this road as well ... the road of love is what lead him to the cross to die for humanitys' sins.

For Neo choosing love meant staying true to the path he had chosen. To have chosen the other alternatives would have gone against everything he was called to do. He would have gone against love, his pursuit to save Zion, and his call to end the war. Love helped Neo to stay true to the path.

We also must remember that love brought Neo back to life in Matrix 1 when Trinity whispered in his ear the truth. It was as if Trinity's kiss breathed life into him.

Trinity with her words and bold kiss must have reminded Neo of the truth of who he was and breathed new life into him. Much like we can imagine the Holy Spirit breathed life into Jesus as he resurrected from the dead.

The function of the Holy Spirit living in us is to reveal truth and guide us into it. Jesus describes the Holy Spirit in this way in John 16:13: "When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

I and many other philosophers (who have examined the Matrix movies) believe that Trinity represents the third face of God or the Holy Spirit. Neo represents Jesus (the Messiah figure) and Morpheus the father (he guides Neo and is called a father in the first film).

Anyhow, my point is that Trinity played the role of encourager, counselor, and helper to Neo (exactly what the Holy Spirit's role is described as in the Bible). She played a very important role in the films. Also, I think it was great that the Wachowski's had a woman play this role because I think it is appropriate that people begin to see a femine side to God. Man and woman were created in His image. That means God has femine qualities.

Finally, when Trinity dies in Revolutions I think it is consistent with Scripture. Jesus cried out on the cross, "Father why have you forsaken me." Because he took on the sins of the world God the Father and the Holy Spirit had to be separated from the Son. For he had to take on the sins of the world alone and pay the price alone. Neo had to finish the job alone just as Christ did. It was appropriate for the Wachowskis' to allow Trinity to die in the end.

Peace

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eddyrocket wrote:

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote: in regards to saving trinity.. that whole choice just turned out to be pointless. as trinity dies at the end of the trilogy. it is my taking that the trinity has been made to look worthless. but on the other hand you have deus ex machina crucifying neo at the end. so what the last 2 movies are saying is that there is no trinity. but we will put jesus crucifiction into the story line anyway. I wouldn't say it was pointless. When Neo chooses to save Trinity in Reloaded he chooses love. It is love that helps him find his way. Just like love can help us find our way. If we go against love we are most assuredly going against what is right. We also see that Christ chose this road as well ... the road of love is what lead him to the cross to die for humanitys' sins. For Neo choosing love meant staying true to the path he had chosen. To have chosen the other alternatives would have gone against everything he was called to do. He would have gone against love, his pursuit to save Zion, and his call to end the war. Love helped Neo to stay true to the path. We also must remember that love brought Neo back to life in Matrix 1 when Trinity whispered in his ear the truth. It was as if Trinity's kiss breathed life into him. Trinity with her words and bold kiss must have reminded Neo of the truth of who he was and breathed new life into him. Much like we can imagine the Holy Spirit breathed life into Jesus as he resurrected from the dead. The function of the Holy Spirit living in us is to reveal truth and guide us into it. Jesus describes the Holy Spirit in this way in John 16:13: "When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." I and many other philosophers (who have examined the Matrix movies) believe that Trinity represents the third face of God or the Holy Spirit. Neo represents Jesus (the Messiah figure) and Morpheus the father (he guides Neo and is called a father in the first film). Anyhow, my point is that Trinity played the role of encourager, counselor, and helper to Neo (exactly what the Holy Spirit's role is described as in the Bible). She played a very important role in the films. Also, I think it was great that the Wachowski's had a woman play this role because I think it is appropriate that people begin to see a femine side to God. Man and woman were created in His image. That means God has femine qualities. Finally, when Trinity dies in Revolutions I think it is consistent with Scripture. Jesus cried out on the cross, "Father why have you forsaken me." Because he took on the sins of the world God the Father and the Holy Spirit had to be separated from the Son. For he had to take on the sins of the world alone and pay the price alone. Neo had to finish the job alone just as Christ did. It was appropriate for the Wachowskis' to allow Trinity to die in the end. Peace

Beautiful, I liked it so much I don't have anything to add to it. That is exactly how I saw/ see the interpretation of the movie. It is clearly a biblical movie. I do have a question, why is the ship they are on called the Nebuchadnezzar. I know he was a king in the Old Testament who was humbled by god and made to graze upon the earth like an animal until he chose to recognize God for who He really is. Do you think there is more to that? The made it a point for us to see the name of the ship.

CaptPostMod wrote:

eddyrocket wrote: Finally, when Trinity dies in Revolutions I think it is consistent with Scripture. Jesus cried out on the cross, "Father why have you forsaken me." Because he took on the sins of the world God the Father and the Holy Spirit had to be separated from the Son. For he had to take on the sins of the world alone and pay the price alone. Neo had to finish the job alone just as Christ did. It was appropriate for the Wachowskis' to allow Trinity to die in the end. That is an interesting interpretation of that line of the Christian New Testament. And one that I have not heard before. Is it your own concept of that passage, or do you have a source for it? I'm just curious. Generally that line is thought to reference Psalm 22-

I guess you can say that it is my personal interpretation. But there are others who share this view. It is not new. Isaiah 59:1-2 talks about how sin affects our relationship with God and states:

"Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated
you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear."

It makes sense, therefore, that since Christ took on our sin that he would suffer the same consequence - separation from God. Which must have been the worst thing he had ever endured, even death. He had never been separated from the father and this is what he must have dreaded most.

We can imagine God the Father turning away because he could not bear to watch the sins of the world on His beloved Son.

Peace

P.S. You are right about Psalm 22. Many believe that Jesus was praying this prayer and that it was prophetic in nature. He may have chosen to pray this because he really felt separated from God.

PEN TSAI wrote:

Beautiful, I liked it so much I don't have anything to add to it. That is exactly how I saw/ see the interpretation of the movie. It is clearly a biblical movie. I do have a question, why is the ship they are on called the Nebuchadnezzar. I know he was a king in the Old Testament who was humbled by god and made to graze upon the earth like an animal until he chose to recognize God for who He really is. Do you think there is more to that? The made it a point for us to see the name of the ship.

Thanks. Regarding your question here is a little tidbit.

King Nebuchadnezzar, an Old Testament figure that was a great Babylonian king (as you mentioned), demanded that his dreams be interpreted by the magicians and wise men of his time. None of these men could interpret his dream. Only Daniel, a servant of God, was capable of interpreting his dream.

It is interesting that in the films we find the Nebuchadnezzar hovercraft searching for a Messianic savior who can liberate people from the dream world. It is as if the reference
to Nebuchadnezzar symbolizes that only God can reveal the reality of what is hidden from us. Hence it is Morpheus, the captain of the Nebuchadnezzer who reveals what is hidden to his crew and Neo. Neo also goes on to reveal what is hidden to many.

I must add that there is much more that can probably be dissected from the reference to the Nebuchadnezzar. Hopefully this little bit of information helps.

Throughout our lives we are driven by certain questions because somewhere deep inside us we know that the answers can define us. That is why I wrote the book Matrix Reflections. My intention was to offer something that could dig at the questions posed by the Matrix films from a spiritual perspective. If you want to check out more parallels to the Bible you may want to check it out.

Peace

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Your'e a smart guy Phantom Prowler..

Very smart person indeed.

No insincerity on my part here...

Good work

The sun is very powerful and produces its own power

Man born inside the matrix = 2
thomas antonio anderson = 2

man = 1
jesus = 1

the one = 4

man born inside + thomas antonio anderson = 4

4 for the one and creation

neo = 7

alpha omega = 7

deus ex machina = 1

deus ex machina is a mockery of the one and mankind