»Is The Matrix Real?«

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Jesus birth cause time to change from B.C. to A.D.

How is it that this time change didn't occur until centuries after his death?

psikey

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How is it that this time change didn't occur until centuries after his death?

Let me see. Uh. That's how powerful it was. There was no BC or AD until 525 (AD), so there could be bbc&ad and abc&ad.

hm.. that reminds me of a little song..

a b c d e f g,
h i j k l m n o p,
q r s t u v,
w x y z

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bbc&ad, a, b, c,...

It must be a code.

Hey, DaVinci come D Crypt these guys. They are buried in Alpha Bits.

psik

psikeyhackr wrote:

Quote: Jesus birth cause time to change from B.C. to A.D. How is it that this time change didn't occur until centuries after his death? psikey

Yes I know.
I like Drama.

I wanted to point out That the Character in The Butterfly Effect the guy that is "Playing God with time" is Jesus

Glorindel wrote:

I´ve read all kinds of opinions in these forums, some say we´re actually in the matrix from the movie, others say we´re in a kind of matrix but not quite like the one we see in the movie, and a lot more stuff. At first it sounded ridiculous to think we can be plugged in the matrix we see in the movie, but the question is who among us can tell those people they´re wrong and there is no matrix? No one can. That´s the point of these type of movies. It´s like men in black, they could erase your memory and you would never remember what happened. Now if i ask you : Do the men in black exist? No one could say they don´t. But i would seem less posible for the men in black to exist than the matrix to exist ´cause the matrix film is much better right? With this i´ve just ponted out i want to show all of you that there are ilms/stories/books or whatever that can lead us to think: what if it is true? what if this book/movie/storie or whatever is a signal for us to realise whe are being deceived? And you know why this questions come to our minds? because we have no proof to say no to the main ideas of these moies/books/stories. (to show you this, i made the questions no one could refute). And look how easily i can make one up: "what if we´re dreaming? what if in any second we can wake up and continue our real life (one wich we don´t know how it is)?" obviously you won´t beleive it because i just made that up myself (besides i´m a dude just like most of you are, and the matrix is a cool film with a lot of cool special effects, get the difference?) but then again, could you say i´m wrong?. Now what if we do the opposite? we think of the reality we see as the only reality until this is proven wrong. It´s the most logical thing to do. Wanna know why some of the people won´t accept this? Easy, tell me the truth...who doesn´t want to fly like neo and stop bullets and kick some agent ass? All of us do! but if we think this is the only reality, then how would this be possible? It´s as simple as that people, think about it. I might be wrong and i certanly would like to hear you´r opinions . See ya!

Glorindel: Stick to reality fellas!
DaVinci:What is real?

Come on DaVinci, it´s always the same pattern. If i don´t beleive i´m trapped or being deceived right? It´s just as the bible says, the demon tries to convince us that god doesn´t exist and if we don´t beleive then we won´t go to heaven. So if i don´t beleive i´m in the matrix i won´t be awakened right? But how´s that? then i guess you´ve been to zion already ´cause you think this is a matrix and you´ve been unplugged. But now here you´re contradicting yourself. Neo didn´t realise by himself he was in a matrix, morpheus told him. The kid in animatrix was told by neo too. So following the movie´s idea, we can´t really find out ourselves.
But i leave you with a question..would you beleive you were in a kind of matrix if you hadn´t seen the film? or is it just fanatism? You´re the only one that can answer yourself that.

Glorindel wrote:

Come on DaVinci, it´s always the same pattern. If i don´t beleive i´m trapped or being deceived right? It´s just as the bible says, the demon tries to convince us that god doesn´t exist and if we don´t beleive then we won´t go to heaven. So if i don´t beleive i´m in the matrix i won´t be awakened right? But how´s that? then i guess you´ve been to zion already ´cause you think this is a matrix and you´ve been unplugged. But now here you´re contradicting yourself. Neo didn´t realise by himself he was in a matrix, morpheus told him. The kid in animatrix was told by neo too. So following the movie´s idea, we can´t really find out ourselves. But i leave you with a question..would you beleive you were in a kind of matrix if you hadn´t seen the film? or is it just fanatism? You´re the only one that can answer yourself that.

The Matrix is a representation for the Holy Bible.
We all believe word for word of what the Bible says.

Morpheus discover that The Matix is fake. or
Morpheus told Neo that the bible has been re-writen by many leaders to help them politicaly at that time.

The Movie The Matrix is an Alegory for what others believe that 90% of what is in the Bible is Made up and how people in Power lie to their people to control them.

In the Matrix Neo is a God and In the real world he is not.
In the Bible Jesus is a God and In the real world he is not.

DaVinci wrote:

Glorindel wrote: Come on DaVinci, it´s always the same pattern. If i don´t beleive i´m trapped or being deceived right? It´s just as the bible says, the demon tries to convince us that god doesn´t exist and if we don´t beleive then we won´t go to heaven. So if i don´t beleive i´m in the matrix i won´t be awakened right? But how´s that? then i guess you´ve been to zion already ´cause you think this is a matrix and you´ve been unplugged. But now here you´re contradicting yourself. Neo didn´t realise by himself he was in a matrix, morpheus told him. The kid in animatrix was told by neo too. So following the movie´s idea, we can´t really find out ourselves. But i leave you with a question..would you beleive you were in a kind of matrix if you hadn´t seen the film? or is it just fanatism? You´re the only one that can answer yourself that. The Matrix is a representation for the Holy Bible. We all believe word for word of what the Bible says. Morpheus discover that The Matix is fake. or Morpheus told Neo that the bible has been re-writen by many leaders to help them politicaly at that time. The Movie The Matrix is an Alegory for what others believe that 90% of what is in the Bible is Made up and how people in Power lie to their people to control them. In the Matrix Neo is a God and In the real world he is not. In the Bible Jesus is a God and In the real world he is not.

I get your point though you´re saying jesus only had powers in the bible? i guess you think he was just a prophet then, a common guy. And how do you know that? if i were in your position (believing that we´re in a kind of matrix) i´d tend to say jesus actually had special powers (or could do miracles if you like to call it that way) since that is possible.
And here i find an analogy to the matrix film. Neo could do all the things he could do because he beleived (call it faith), that´s what jesus tells his followers to do. Didn´t he make people walk over water? That sholdn´t sound so surprising to you i guess. But i think that the message is that if we beleive in something, the possibilty of accomplishing such things increase grately. This doesn´t mean we can walk over water or dodge bullets but it is only an "entertainig" way of spreading that message.

Glorindel wrote:

DaVinci wrote: Glorindel wrote: Come on DaVinci, it´s always the same pattern. If i don´t beleive i´m trapped or being deceived right? It´s just as the bible says, the demon tries to convince us that god doesn´t exist and if we don´t beleive then we won´t go to heaven. So if i don´t beleive i´m in the matrix i won´t be awakened right? But how´s that? then i guess you´ve been to zion already ´cause you think this is a matrix and you´ve been unplugged. But now here you´re contradicting yourself. Neo didn´t realise by himself he was in a matrix, morpheus told him. The kid in animatrix was told by neo too. So following the movie´s idea, we can´t really find out ourselves. But i leave you with a question..would you beleive you were in a kind of matrix if you hadn´t seen the film? or is it just fanatism? You´re the only one that can answer yourself that. The Matrix is a representation for the Holy Bible. We all believe word for word of what the Bible says. Morpheus discover that The Matix is fake. or Morpheus told Neo that the bible has been re-writen by many leaders to help them politicaly at that time. The Movie The Matrix is an Alegory for what others believe that 90% of what is in the Bible is Made up and how people in Power lie to their people to control them. In the Matrix Neo is a God and In the real world he is not. In the Bible Jesus is a God and In the real world he is not. I get your point though you´re saying jesus only had powers in the bible? i guess you think he was just a prophet then, a common guy. And how do you know that? if i were in your position (believing that we´re in a kind of matrix) i´d tend to say jesus actually had special powers (or could do miracles if you like to call it that way) since that is possible. And here i find an analogy to the matrix film. Neo could do all the things he could do because he beleived (call it faith), that´s what jesus tells his followers to do. Didn´t he make people walk over water? That sholdn´t sound so surprising to you i guess. But i think that the message is that if we beleive in something, the possibilty of accomplishing such things increase grately. This doesn´t mean we can walk over water or dodge bullets but it is only an "entertainig" way of spreading that message.

There is nothing wrong in believing that Jesus was a God and could walk on water.

I think that religion is a great thing for allot of people.

I have a large family that are Very catholic.

I believe in Jesus Christ's teachings but I do not believe he was a God.

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Morpheus discover that The Matix is fake. or Morpheus told Neo that the bible has been re-writen by many leaders to help them politicaly at that time. The Movie The Matrix is an Alegory for what others believe that 90% of what is in the Bible is Made up and how people in Power lie to their people to control them. In the Matrix Neo is a God and In the real world he is not. In the Bible Jesus is a God and In the real world he is not.

Name an instance of the Bible being re-written by leaders that includes what was re-written and how it served to help them politically.

I would say that the Bible is more like the Oracle of the movies, whose words are taken to mean whatever by the person hearing/reading depending on what they want them to mean (morph or trin) and/or their ability to interpret at the time (like neo).

The churches are tools of the Architect like the Prophecy of the Oracle was used toward resets although it didn't have to be like that. But no one could see the end. So the manipulations of the religions and those that guide them might just be the tool that makes what they fear come true. (Like Neo in the Matrix or like Anakin to the Emperor in the Star Wars saga )

Some facts of how "popular" belief and POLITICAL practice differ significantly from the Bible as currently translated:

1. "Do not you be called father...or rabbi" (Jesus)
Church leaders are called "father ___" and Judaism uses "rabbi" as a title as well.

2. "My Kingdom is no part of this world." (Jesus to Pilate) "When they wanted to make him king, he fled from them and hid in the mountains."
The Christian Right is a political party and the Vatican has exercised political power since it began.

3. "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus)
This evidently doesn't apply when political interests conflict with this.

There are so many more. The point is: Why do you have to change anything when you can just get people to ignore it. And if they left so much in that damns them, what on earth was supposed to be there before?

intell wrote:

Name an instance of the Bible being re-written by leaders that includes what was re-written and how it served to help them politically.

"Bible is strictly a man-made collection of mythology the mind loses yet another shackle of "revelation" and is soon on its way to full freedom and progress.

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.

According to Professor John Crossan of Biblical Studies at DePaul University the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (274-337 CE), who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence.

"Therefore, one can easily argue that the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use."

Now there is nothing wrong with Jesus Teaching

Assuming that everything you just posted is accurate:
And in harmony with my quoted query:
I wouldn't consider arranging pre-existing texts for a salary tantamount into re-writing an entire record, regardless of what prompted it or who requested it.

Nevertheless, I see your point and I can see why you have a problem with that. But throw out the rest of the story ->
These councils who, for whatever reason voted to recanonize books and letters that were for the most part already included in the Bible canon by Jewish scribes centuries earlier like the Sopherim and the Masoretes, also approved through votes, doctrines that came from other religions and are not supported by these same books and letters. What was up with that?

intell wrote:

Assuming that everything you just posted is accurate: And in harmony with my quoted query: I wouldn't consider arranging pre-existing texts for a salary tantamount into re-writing an entire record, regardless of what prompted it or who requested it. Nevertheless, I see your point and I can see why you have a problem with that. But throw out the rest of the story -> These councils who, for whatever reason voted to recanonize books and letters that were for the most part already included in the Bible canon by Jewish scribes centuries earlier like the Sopherim and the Masoretes, also approved through votes, doctrines that came from other religions and are not supported by these same books and letters. What was up with that?

Constantine a Sun worshiper wanted to unified several religions into the most popular religion and that was Christianity and to help the other religions make the change to Christionity he added parts of the other religions into Christianity and if you did not give up your Pagan religion well Constantine got a message from the Christian God. Constantine saw a vision in the sky it was an "X" and "P" and God told him "Whith this sign you will conquer" translation KILL all the Pagans or X all the Pagans.

why dose everyone say the matrix and religon are the same thing personaly if someone wanted to bring out a religus film they would but not in somthink like the matrix

agame wrote:

why dose everyone say the matrix and religon are the same thing personaly if someone wanted to bring out a religus film they would but not in somthink like the matrix

Anakin WaterWalker

DaVinci wrote:

agame wrote: why dose everyone say the matrix and religon are the same thing personaly if someone wanted to bring out a religus film they would but not in somthink like the matrix Anakin WaterWalker

"2 Grand" ($2,000 or too grand)
"You're my savior, man. My own personal 'Jesus Christ.'"
"If you get caught with that..."
"I know. This didn't happen. You don't exist."
Matrix, 1999.

Dam.. that was slick intell.

And that’s just for starters!

Actually it was you who first pointed that out, Inev.

ok so people think that the matrix and religion r one in the same thing what i have been tought in re (religas education) when i was in school jesus never needed help to think he is or was a god where neo needed help to discover he was the one

Jesus was so scared in the garden before he was betrayed and arrested, that as He prayed (to His Father for help), he sweat great drops of blood...He was human...he felt all the human feelings and temptations that we experience...it is frightening to sacrifice yourself for the entire human race...i see the connection...i saw it right away and became extremely intrigued. i never saw the movies in the theater. i am always a day late...i saw the movies on like USA one saturday (Matrix and Reloaded) and when the 3rd one did not come on, i went to the rental place and got Revolutions....i was blown away...i've watched all 3 many times to get it all...

there are so many ways to interpret this story...

scotty

ok but its been pruven that the blood jesus cryed was off stress

i don't know about other's interpretations of the bible...
i read the bible many times as a child and teen...went to sunday school and many many sermons later...the bible says he sweat great drops of blood...He had the ability to know what would befall him, which if you saw "The Passion of Christ", He endured the beating of anyone's life...he was basically tortured...i'd do more than sweat blood...i don't think i would do it at all...which is what makes Him amazing...

as far as the matrix movies paralleling the bible, it just does....why did the brothers use all bible terminology if they did not mean to evoke this type of think? you gotta love a movie that makes you think this hard...i am not a sci-fi nut, but i loved these movies, even tho the whole Zion underground thing gave this claustrophobic girl the willies. i would go insane...i might even prefer the matrix...life was kinda dark on that ship and in Zion...i need the sunshine...

i also noticed that thru out all three movies that there was alot of taking God's name in vain...which i kind of found to be bizarre since it is one of the ten commandments NOT to....

ok

the world can seem very unreal sometimes:

"you ever have that feeling, where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"

many things about this world are not real, but u just have to figure out how deep the rabbit hole goes. ;D