»Spoiler Path of Neo«

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I'm afraid it's true I've seen it with my own eyes,

It is the most dissapointing ending ever... and I mean, ever.

It is to sad for words en in my opinion they are just killing the whole matrix trilogy.

For months I looked forward to this game not only for the gameplay but.. for the new ending!

At last, a new ending, what would the wachowski brothers come up with, maybe a little twist to the real ending or indeed the matrix in a matrix theory, there are sooo much GOOD ways for an alternative ending.

But no, they came up with the lamest ending of them all;

All the smiths joining up and forming a huge Smith
how idiot is that , it doesnt make sense at all, and the "we need an other ending (like this) because otherwise the game would suck" is no excuse for this lame ending.

And my last point, it doesnt connect at all to the real ending in the movie.

Ow and a question (because I only read of the new ending form others);
Is it really true they play, ughm... we are the champions

(sorry for my english, if its bad, but I'm dutch)

If this is true then I would almost feel ashamed that I spent two yours of debating on theories on the trilogy.

What kind of sick shit is this? Fuckin' up a master piece like that?

It's really designed for the hilly billy kids with a playstation who want to do whooping' fuckin' cool bullet time moves without any other thinking left to do.

The Wachowki's should be ashamed that they allowed this to happen. I gather that we won't take the storyline from "Matrix Online" seriously anymore. I never much liked it anyway!

Damn!

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I'm a little disappointed in your thoughts on the game's ending, Mobil_Ave_Neo. You haven't even played it yet, correct? To be perfectly honest, I think it's a miracle that we even got another game.

With that said, I played through the game. I think it's crap. Craptacular. Maybe a decent brawler, but only barely.

What Shiny wanted to accomplish they simply couldn't do, due to the lack of graphics and technical ability on the PS2 and X-Box platforms. If they wanted to make a true Matrix game, they should have waited for the next-gen consoles. I've been reading previews of the new Superman Returns game. It screams potential for what a good Matrix game could have been.

The only saving grace to me, personally, is the Wachowskis explaining why they changed the end. It's funny, concise, and it makes sense. Those wishing for an answer to all their questions, or perhaps an alternate ending to the films which would make "sense"...well...I can't believe anyone actually expected this in a videogame. It's a videogame! It's like someone believing Anakin actually killing Obi-Wan at the end of the Revenge of the Sith game is supposed to be taken seriously. It's not. It's just for shits and giggles. This game was not made to be philisophical or deep. It was made to bash Agent Smith with a pole. Big difference.

The cinematics provided by EON at the end were pretty DAMN GOOD, all things considered.

However, once again, as a game, it's still crap. Not worth the money, I think. And in some ways, maybe that's for the best. When I play Path of Neo, it doesn't feel like the Matrix to me. None of it really does. With that said, the three films I love remain untouched by a videogame which is a pale comparison to its source material.

But, on the other hand, it's a great Constantine game. Neo knows how to use a shotgun REAL GOOD .

And, if you listen closely, Larry gives away a little bit of the actually ending of the trilogy. He trails on...but what he says is true.

So yeah...cheer up, people. It is a game. It is only a game

i havent played the game.but thats a lame ending.
can anyone of you write the "entire story" of the game.
what about the architects choice?
are neos powers in the real world and the matrix given logical
explanaton?
what about smith,mero and all the other fuckers?

I know I overreacted.

I know that the trilogy stands on it's own as the story.

I still think that the Wachowski's are brilliant.

And I know that "Path of Neo" is crap. They just made a quick port from the PS2 to the PC to catch quick bucks.

But when I hear that the brothers helped with re-editing and designing the storyline for the game I am just dissapointed that they would create such a no-brainer ending!

Neo and Smith are one entitiy, they are "The One". The one cannot beat the other, they are equals. To only way to beat Smith is for Neo to go 'down' too.

A better alternate ending would be that Neo chooses the righthand door at the Architect and then gets to play a few missions were he becomes the new born hero for the new Zionites.

This way we could get to see the process which the previous Ones went through.

And this way the player could still experience a 'victorious' feeling, because he is the superman of Zion once again.

The game designers said that you get to make your own choices in this game and the choice at the Architect is the most important damn choice in the whole trilogy, so they should have let us choose that!

I am just dissapointed that the Wachowski's agreed with this 'quick-buck' project, while they are already rich enough.

im glad that we are starting to get the hint.

OMG, now this guy is getting his kicks

Did you get off on this thread?

no mobil i didnt get off on it.
but i hope that you might realise that m2 and m3 are not crafted properly..

i am about to craft another thread mobil. so i hope to see you on it. it might just change your mind about things.

Well you could also see it like this...

Only a very few people understood M2/M3.

The no-brainers liked the action in M2, and shivered at the dialogues which finally killed them when they saw the complexity of M3.

The brothers are probably respecting the ratio:

they made the trilogy for the 1% that appears to be 'anomalous' and they made the rest of the commerical crap for the 99%.

As this group likes to be 'tricked' by the 'illusion' by 'choice', the brothers won't feel sorry to plunge their wallets

Well I must say, after seeing the flick...

It's kinda cool

I think we must just accept that the videogame is ment for 100% entertainment and it will not satisfy the complicated dudes who still would like to see some answers.

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The thing that you are probably thinking about is why the path of neo is so silly.

But another thing to realise is why does enter the matrix fill in some of the plotholes.

If the trilogy was indeed something that was meant to fit together, why would the wachowskis have made something like the path of neo..

And have a real think about why someone would sabotage Neo's path from the first movie.

I will be truthful and say that i have never really played enter the matrix. And i have not ran out to the shops to purchase a copy of the path of neo, Because i know that it is a waste of time.

If the wachowski's are such geniuses. why do they destroy their own work?
why has it gone so far?
why was the question answered in m1 by a human?
and why are the answers in m2 and m3 given to neo by the machines?

CaptPostMod wrote:

Vanexel711 wrote: And, if you listen closely, Larry gives away a little bit of the actually ending of the trilogy. He trails on...but what he says is true. No it's not! Larry says that at the end of the trilogy Neo attains Satori by realizing present consciousness. That's not what happens at all. Neo does achieve enlightenment at the end of the trilogy. But that enlightenment is not a Satori of present consciousness. Check my profile. For months now it has said that my interests are Satori. Larry Wachowski does not understand what he is talking about!

....uh....the creator of the trilogy doesn't know what he's talking about? Bold statement.

We need a transcript of the cinematic.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Well I must say, after seeing the flick... It's kinda cool I think we must just accept that the videogame is ment for 100% entertainment and it will not satisfy the complicated dudes who still would like to see some answers.

I make my answers to this trilogy with your help everyday, Mobil_Ave_Neo . I'm fine with those answers and changing them when needed.

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THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

If the trilogy was indeed something that was meant to fit together, why would the wachowskis have made something like the path of neo..

Exactly correct. They intended to make everything some how tie in together. We see from the first Matrix film, onto The Animatrix, to Reloaded, Enter The Matrix, and Revolutions at the end followed by The Matrix Online. Prior to Path of Neo coming out, I was excited and couldn’t wait to actually play the role of The One. But most of all, I was anxious to see how the story would be played out and how differently this “alternate ending” would be.

The game was suppose to cover all three films from Neo’s point of view. But there was so much changed and taken out that it definitely did not seem like The Matrix at all. For crying out loud, there are actual giant ants you have to fight in the game. Yes, it is only a video game. But its disappointing to see a great idea for a game go down the drain like that. If they wanted this to simply be an action packed game, then they should’ve made it into one, because honestly there isn’t enough action here to get real excited about. I would rather much play Enter The Matrix, at least that did stick to the films and had better action play.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

If the wachowski's are such geniuses. why do they destroy their own work?

Thank you for saying that!

The ending here is so damn annoying to watch. They basically just said, “Haha. We just ripped you off again thinking you were going to get your dollar’s worth.” That’s what is most disappointing of all. The fact that they merely tricked us then came back right at the end and shoved it in our faces. And here we see The Matrix Online not doing so well anymore. Again, another great idea. An MMORPG taking place in The Matrix picking up right after the final film. Started off pretty interesting and exciting. It was like watching Reloaded for the first time, there were so many new things. But now, it seems as if The WBs have completely abandoned that project and moved on to whatever is going to get them money.

CaptPostMod wrote:

You jump and completely lose your train of thought for just a split second, right? In that moment you are without thought. If you could then keep this without thought mind all the time, then you would be experiencing Satori.

Hmmm...but when Neo is assimilated by Smith, doesn't he have this type of without-thought mind? I always thought of it this way. During the assimilation, he is calm and doesn't resist. It's as if he doesn't even feel the "dying" sensation he experienced in Reloaded. When the process is completed, his mind is quite literally "stilled". Or the Satori moment could be Neo's death itself.

Ken Wilber mentions the Satori moment during his conversation with Larry. Have you listened to it yet? Here is a brief excerpt...well, not exactly brief

Quote:

Larry: That was the... in the beginning of the third movie when there's like... we're like: "How do we start the third movie?" ...which is gonna talk about the things that are so hard to talk about [Ken: Right.] it's like: Ok, you go to black and then you have to have a moment of Big Bang and that's the origin of everything, the origin of thought, the origin of consciousness, whatever it is, in that moment it's like 'from that nothing to everything' is everything... [Ken laughs] Ken: And that's the same origin point... Larry: Yeah. Ken: Absolutely, I agree, yeah. There's a great line, that, everybody knows ontogeny and phylogeny, but there's also microgeny, which means the moment to moment movement through the sequence, and so, for example if I see an apple, the microgenetic movement is, there's an impulse, there's an impression, there's a simple sensation, then I form an image, that I might think about an apple as a concept and then I can have my personal reactions to it, et cetera. Larry: Yeah. Ken: And microgeny recapitulates ontogeny which recapitulates phylogeny which recapitulates cosmology. So from the Big Bang up to this moment is all that same sequence of the unfolding of the four quadrants but it's also repeated moment to moment out of that empty origin, right now, moment to moment. And that's the interesting thing about it because when you discover your original face, the face you had before the Big Bang, then you've discovered that moment as well - that's the satori moment, that's realising this radical self that's all-embracing and all-encompassing - out of that moment to moment all that thing's emerged, all the quadrants emerged, all the levels, all the lines, that same origin point that you're talking about, and that is what holds the quadrants together, because the quadrants are just dimensions or aspects of that origin, moment to moment, this very moment now. Larry: Yeah. Ken: And you gave a pictorial representation of that at the beginning of the third... Larry: Well, we tried to. [Ken laughs]

Well, considering so many complained about the movies not having an ending people could understand and relate too, I think the ending to the game is friggen hilarious. And I would guess that the Bros. played a direct hand in that ending. They are going over the top on purpose, to show you how stupid the normal ending to an action flick is. When I heard new ending, I thought to myself it doesn't need one, so I almost suspected something crazy like this, but the we are the champions is icing on the cake. As for game play, not sure you can blame the bros for shiny sucking a second time, and it was getting decent previews, it happens.

Oh, and captpostmod, Perhaps it's just Larry's version of enlightenment, sure it's a buddhist term, but you said it essentialy means enlightenment. And Larry believes that this is reached in a paradox state of choice and choicelessness which is in a way absolving the mind of thought. Maybe for him, solving that = Satori. All religion is based on perspective, this is just his.

hexediter wrote:

Oh, and captpostmod, Perhaps it's just Larry's version of enlightenment, sure it's a buddhist term, but you said it essentialy means enlightenment. And Larry believes that this is reached in a paradox state of choice and choicelessness which is in a way absolving the mind of thought. Maybe for him, solving that = Satori. All religion is based on perspective, this is just his.

Nice way of summing it up, hexediter.

Path of neo sucks ass, i am so disapointed. A couple of questions:

Why coudn't you fight Bane?
Why is all of m3 sumed up in 3 minites?
Why no zion levels?
Why no flying?
Why hype this game for it having so much choice when you only make two desisions and then theres not much choice after you pick?

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