»Aborted reinsertion of the prime program«

According to the Architect in the Matrix Online, the reinsertion of the prime program was aborted. See the section on the following link, in the section called "The Creator."

So there is no anmoliy in the matrix?

but it was reinserted

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So there is no anmoliy in the matrix?

That was my first question as well. I'm still trying to decide if Neo successfully "temporarily disseminated the code he carried." My current understanding of this phrase is that Neo is carrying the sum of the total of the unbalanced equation (made up of all the "wrong" choices made by people who rejected the Matrix) and unloads it onto the Source, effectively yet albeit temporarily balancing the equation. If we take the Architect literally--which seems to be the best method when trying to understand him--this would be the step that sets off the reinsertion of the prime program. So working backward, if the prime program was not reinserted, logic would dictate that the step that normally sets it into motion was not completed either. If that's the case, that means that Neo never released the code he carried, and the equation was never balanced. Agent Smith may have been destroyed, but the Matrix is still in just as much danger from crashing as it was before, and getting worse every day with each new person who rejects the Matrix and increases the unbalanced portion of the equation.

Wow, that's a friggin mouthful.

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but it was reinserted

No, it wasn't. I believe the confusion comes in equating the phrase "reinserting the prime program" with "rebooting the Matrix." But what if it's actually referring to something else? What if reinserting the prime program and rebooting the Matrix are two separate steps? The mystery continues...

Neo isn't carrying the sum, he is the sum. The literal expression of that sum, the sum of the remainder to the equation = Neo/anomaly/TheOne. So the anomaly grows and grows until the point where the integral anomaly is achieved, which is the eventuality of the anomaly, it has to have grown to reach some point to be able to do this.

In my opinion the equation is never balanced, it may reach an equalibrium however, and indeed it is always moving towards this equalibrium, always moving toward balance (or trying to). Neo doesn't suddenly balance the equation by allowing a temporary dissemination of a portion of the code he carries. Neo still represents that remainder, he won't just dissapear, thus true balance is not achieved. This anomaly is recycled, it grows until it can be expressed through an individual, who represents the eventuality, the sum, of this anomaly. The singulair, integral expression of the anomaly. The anomaly isn't destroyed, it is in my opinion merely contained. My guess is still that the architect will examine that portion of Neo's code (which represents the anomaly) and then patch up the main system accordingly, which inorder to take effect requires a reinsertion of the prime program, as well as a reboot of the matrix. The result of this action is that from that point the 1% who reject the programming will constitute the new version of the anomaly which will not be expressed through the One for what will most likely be decades or even a century. So basically every person who rejects the matrix after the Architect has patched the system is feeding a new anomaly, the old one is no longer growing, and it's ultimate expression, (the One) while retaining his powers and abilities, will be contained and will eventually die.

From what we are told, if Neo doesn't comply the system will at some point reach a cataclysmic crash as the anomaly continues to grow unless the Arch is able to contain it, thus the "if left unchecked" which you can equate with unsolved variables. Notice the Architect explains that the current anomalies in the MxO resist quarintine, and past methods of indexing (trying to classify and assign a value to, thus the anomalies remain unsolved). They also carry a strong resemblance to the integral anomaly, Neo. If Neo accended as the subtext implies, then he becomes one with Source/Spirit. It is not neccisarily suprising then that Neo/Smith like anomalies showed up all over the matrix (although my gut tells me they were being induced by someone or something). Their is no point to reinsert the prime program without a fix for the anomaly, however, I think Neo's possible accension to the Source may have changed the nature of the anomaly at the same time (which might further explain the Architect explaining how the current anomalies are different then anything in the past). I'm not sure the matrix is tetering on destruction, as I assume the machines and exiles would surely be worrying more and more about this particular event if it were imminent, and instead they seem to focus on problems as they occur. I would definatly say that the matrix is in uncharted territory, so the future is very unpredictable in so far as the anomaly is concerned, as it has evolved to a state it has never reached in the past. Something about Neo being the anomaly and wanting peace just leaves me feeling that the anomaly isn't going to threaten the system itself on it's own.

then what is "prime program" according to you?

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then what is "prime program" according to you?

The path of the One.

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Neo isn't carrying the sum, he is the sum.

Although I've heard this before, I've never heard it explained in a way that made sense to me. If Neo is the sum, then why does the Architect describe the code as something that Neo carries? You don't carry something that's a part of you. My understanding is that Neo was grown in the fetus fields like everyone else, and that he didn't join with the systemic anomaly until sometime after he was plugged into the Matrix. If that's the case, then he became the One because something was attached to him, rather than him being the One intrinsically. If he is the sum, to me that would mean that he was born that way. What are your thoughts on that?

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So the anomaly grows and grows until the point where the integral anomaly is achieved, which is the eventuality of the anomaly, it has to have grown to reach some point to be able to do this.

I agree with that.

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In my opinion the equation is never balanced, it may reach an equalibrium however, and indeed it is always moving towards this equalibrium, always moving toward balance (or trying to).

I basically agree with that whole section. However, I do want to point out that for a brief period of time, the equation does balance--at least until the very first time someone rejects the Matrix. That is why the Architect refers to the dissemination as temporary.

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My guess is still that the architect will examine that portion of Neo's code (which represents the anomaly) and then patch up the main system accordingly, which inorder to take effect requires a reinsertion of the prime program, as well as a reboot of the matrix.

I personally don't believe that the dissemination of the code is so that the Architect can examine it. If that were the case, then it doesn't make sense to me why the Architect sends Neo off to the Source. From a writer's standpoint, if I intended for the Architect to examine the One's code, I would have had the Architect demand that Neo hand it over right then and there, rather than have him walk through a door and seemingly leave his presence. Also, the word "disseminate" gives the idea of spreading something, like scattering it. If it is supposed to be handed over in an orderly fashion--as in one chunk that could be examined carefully and methodically--I doubt that this is the word that the Wachowski Brothers would have used. It would be like someone asking you to hand over a priceless vase by throwing it against a wall and shattering it to pieces.

And just out of curiosity, how do you define the prime program?

Ok... if you never built a T.V. before, and you wanted to know how, what are your options? You can read the manual, or you can take an existing one and take it apart, throw it against that perverbial wall, and look at the pieces and put it back together. Otherwise known as reverse engineering, it makes sense to me in solving a software/program problem. If your system has a problem, say a virus, if you can isolate it and take it apart you can understand it, if you can do that you have a greater chance of solving the problem entirely. A normal computer user isn't going to do this, he will have his antivirus program try to quarintine the problem and get rid of as many instances of it as possible. But trust me that the people who are working to create that antivirus software almost certainly do look at what they are fighting and take it apart. The architect is still doing this! He had the machine operatives help him find the meaning of the anomalies and the "error message". The whole MxO had this giant race for fragments dropped by those red eyed agents which contained portions of Neo's memories.

So to sum it up, you can examine pieces more closely then you can one giant chunk, thus the dissemination of the code.

And speaking of sum... When I say Neo is the sum, I speak of him as the One being the sum, he is not the sum untill he is the One. The architect describes the code only as it relates to needing to temprorarily dessiminate a portion of the code Neo carries. He never describes the code as the sum, although it isn't entirely unreasonable to assume that. "Your life is the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix" (perhaps the prime program is that inherent unbalanced equation?). You can take this a couple of ways, Mobil Ave. suggests that this means Neo's entire life he is this anomaly, and points to the video of Thomas Anderson as a child as evidence. This could be true, but I prefer to go with the notion that Neo comes to represent this sum over time, and it is his life, his individual self or soul, which is at that very moment represents the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. My opinion is that any code he carries as a result of him being the One or the anomaly is the code of the anomaly itself, and this code represents the anomaly itself. Looking at it, I think part of the confusion comes from the use of metaphor.

Adding up the Sum of an unbalanced equation doesn't give you a Neo out of thin air, but if that sum is apparently large enough, it will most likely create something like Neo, a.k.a. the One. It's not that Neo carries the sum, or that he is literally the sum, it is that he represents the sum, and he is the eventuality of that sum, of this anomaly.

The anomaly is always growing, and always present due to the fundamental flaw inherent to the programming of the matrix. Only when the sum of this anomaly or remainder of the unbalanced equation is sufficiently large do we get the One. But from one version of the anomaly to another, I think at the core each anomaly at it's base level, it's code, is unique. Which would seem obvious since each time it comes around they (the machines) have to deal with the problem all over again instead of simply using the fix for the past anomaly. Thus the architect only wants some special portion of the code Neo carries, he doesn't need the sum, or all of his code, just the part that defines the anomaly.

As for why they do that dissemination and work with the code in the source, it appears to me that the machines do most of their coding work in the source. Returning to source is also a huge part of the symbolism in the matrix, which also explains why they have the door that goes to the source. Even if the architect demands the code right in the chamber, you still have a binary choice, either he complies, or he takes the door back to the matrix. Perhaps it is not just the architect who examines the code? Regardless, the thought of the code being examined in the source does make sense to me, not sure if I have helped much though.

Well obviously something BIG has changed/happened for the "Aborted reinsertion of the prime program" that functioned to temporarily allow the 'code' carried to be disseminated (spread abroad –diffused). If not there would be a CATACLISMIC system crash, killing everyone.

"It’s happening as before" Smith informs us. And the Architect understanding NO Relevance to its Integral meaning cannot now understand what has happened/happening.

"Well now ain’t this a surprise" (Oracle) Gives us more than a indication of what has Begun.

The Prime program is no longer 're-inserted' because it has been loaded: Loaded with Neo. He now is the Supereminence.

"In him are woven the sky and the earth and all the regions of the air, and in him rest the mind and all the powers of life.

…And when he is seen in his immanence and transcendence "

HE’S COMING!

The prime program* does not need to be reinserted after Neo (1) and Smith (-1) and joined in the Source (to create 0 and thus balancing the equation) because the prime program's purpose is to reset the Matrix and begin to the cycle of building the remainder into the next integral anomaly. Once this remainder is large enough the prime program manifests itself as the integral anomaly (The One). At which point the prime program is "reinserted" into the Source and the cycle begins again. Because the equation is now balanced, there is no longer a need for this cycle.

* I would just like to elaborate more on the notion of a prime program. The term 'prime program' is comparable to a real world computing term of the same name. A prime program is a mechanism for describing control structures. A prime program is a contiguous program segment with a single entry point, a single exit point, and the property that each statement in the segment is on a path from the entry to the exit; that is, that each statement is actually used during execution. It cannot be decomposed into smaller minimal entry, single exit flow chart subgraphs. So, in terms of the Matrix, the prime program in this case is the Path of the One; the entry point being the the choice of the 23 'original zionites' by the previous integral anomaly, and the exit point being the conjoining of the integral anomaly with the Source and the dissemination of the code, allowing the reset of the Matrix.

PS: Sorry for using the term 'integral anomaly' a lot during this post but I didn't want people to become confused with The One (Neo)

Honestly inev, alot of times I just scratch my head and wonder where the random quotes come from. But this time you pretty much hit the nail on the head, that is almost exactly how I feel about the current state of things. Neo accended to the source itself, he is loaded.

Welcom Inifnity, we have a past thread started by Feral Boy which goes into that very definition and thoughts on the prime program, which has also spilled into this thread, so feel free to poke around and share your thoughts.

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* I would just like to elaborate more on the notion of a prime program. The term 'prime program' is comparable to a real world computing term of the same name. A prime program is a mechanism for describing control structures. A prime program is a contiguous program segment with a single entry point, a single exit point, and the property that each statement in the segment is on a path from the entry to the exit; that is, that each statement is actually used during execution. It cannot be decomposed into smaller minimal entry, single exit flow chart subgraphs. So, in terms of the Matrix, the prime program in this case is the Path of the One;

Dam* right!

The [intended] path of the One is the "Prime Program". *sighs* Sometimes I wonder. That being said, I'll say that the statement that I agree with the most is...

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Looking at it, I think part of the confusion comes from the use of metaphor.

A key to deciphering the Architect's words to the point of knowing pretty much what he's talking about at any given time is to understand the pov he's coming from which never varies. (He calls choice an equation for crying out loud.) Keeping in mind who he represents helps you know his pov, in turn.

FeralBoy, I want you to post this topic on mxo and specifically tell rainking that I requested his insight into the matter. I would act as a sort of liaison and I bet we'll see some headway then!

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FeralBoy, I want you to post this topic on mxo and specifically tell rainking that I requested his insight into the matter. I would act as a sort of liaison and I bet we'll see some headway then!

It's a done deal. Rather than copying and pasting a whole bunch of stuff, I simply provided a link to this page.

And you IMed RainKing, likewise?

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And you IMed RainKing, likewise?

Um...

*feverishly opens Matrix Online website and begins typing*

....yeah, pretty much...

*opens up IM window and continues typing*

...ya think I'm stupid or something...

*finishes typing and hits the Send button*

...YEAH, OF COURSE I DID! JEEZ, LAY OFF ALREADY!

All rightie then!

Just for the record:

1. Good post, Inev!
2. You're right Feral Boy. "Reinserting the prime program" is not the same as rebooting the matrix. I would bet the reboots may happen quite frequently.
3. The Arc's words in MxO clearly indicate the anomaly to be the choice of humans to refuse the program which is catchy. "escalating probability" of massive awakening. We've freed more minds in the last... Thus wouldn't all the players being newly awakened ones be a logical next step to Neo's 'failure to re-insert the prime program'? This is "the anomaly growing" as Hex put it.
4. The machines are now to factor it into the equation and work around it, so to speak. This is why Arc gives his word that "those who want out" will "obviously be freed"
5. Neo's (but not Smith's) presence is still being felt in the matrix. Just look at how things are working out with those factions with unknown allegiance and so forth. But I've said enough for now.

lol!

Walrus wrote:

Since any response here will likely be interesting, I'll leave this thread up.

He must have read this and/or he knows RainKingX Okay you probably should have given that thread the same name and mentioned me in the OP, but HAHA! it feels good to see my name popularized once again on those forums.

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Walrus wrote: Since any response here will likely be interesting, I'll leave this thread up. However, if you have a message for a specific player on the forums, please use the Private Messaging system.

hehe, i assume they know i'm not a fan of PM or IM systems anymore.

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According to the Architect in the Matrix Online, the reinsertion of the prime program was aborted. See the section on the following link, in the section called "The Creator." And yet, the reboot of the Matrix was successful. See the section on the following link, in the section called "Agent Gray, Machine Civilization Controller." What does this mean? If the prime program was not reinserted, and yet the Matrix was successfully rebooted, how do those two facts coincide without being contradictory? I have my own theory, but I wanted to hear others' thoughts on the matter.

they are two separate issues that are tied together by zion and thomas anderson's role in the oracle's game.

the architect's response is conditional solution; i think the order is: neo goes back to the source, zion is destroyed, the matrix is rebooted, neo picks 23 ppl to start zion over again. you see there's a clean slate...a new hierarchy or as the architect says, the prime program begins.

imo, this is what happened in the trilogy: neo didn't go back to the source for the love of the trinity, then, he sacrificed himself, which made it impossible to create a new hierarchy (or the prime program), but his "code*" did go back into the system (for all to have access to), which rebooted the matrix, his sacrifice actually traps the machine program from proceeding, and instead of leaving like that which would have killed everyone, he made a deal with DEM to eliminate the rogue machine, allowing zion to continue. What you end up with is a stalemate, or peace.

*i've explained what neo's code is in the past

...oh and by the way, RainKingX believes that the code Neo carries is his DNA.

I believe Rainking is saying that Neo's code represents DNA in the real-world comparison.

he, further wrote:

i think these two issues beg the question: can we have a new order without a messiah to back it up? i'm currently under the impression that mXo answers this question. if the matrix revolutions was called zion revolutions, it would be a little easier to decipher.

The prime program itself doesn't have to be re-inserted.

The (integral) anomaly has to be re-inserted into the prime program.

This way the circle is round. The anomaly has 'bowed down' to the pressure of the meisure of control, the prime program is stabilized because there is a temporary situation of 100% acceptation of the program. From that point on the whole cycle starts over again and the new systemic anomaly will begin with it's growth.

Neo did not re-insert himself into the prime program temporarely. Instead he implemented a permanent solution into the prime program.

I still think that the Oracle is the expression of the prime program, because the light that touches all the blue pills/smiths at the end of M3 is being spread via the Oracle's RSI.

Neo : The machine mainframe?

Oracle : Yes, where you must go. Where the Path of the One ends.

This is where the prime program (a single-entry, single-exit control program) ends. When the One returns to the Source and disseminates the code he carries, that is the final step on the Path--the exit point. Once the Path has been completed, it triggers a reload of the Matrix. The One then begins the next cycle by beginning the next Path of the One. This is accomplished by selecting 23 individuals from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. That is when the prime program is reinserted.

In Neo's case, I currently believe that the code he carried did in fact get disseminated when Smith was destoyed. However, because of several factors, the prime program (Path of the One) was not reinserted. Because of the Truce, Zion was not destroyed. Therefore, it was not necessary to select 23 individuals to rebuild it. Furthermore, Neo was not available to select them anyway, seeing as how he was missing.

Since the prime program is a path, it is inserted into the overall programming of the Matrix. The Matrix can exist without the prime program. This is evidenced by the fact that the reinsertion of the prime program was aborted, yet the Matrix continues on. If the prime program was necessary, the Matrix would have immediately crashed.

Even though the Path of the One is not necessary for the Matrix to exist, it IS a necessary control measure which is designed to take care of the problem of the anomaly. If the anomaly is not dealt with, then the Matrix WILL eventually crash. I am still unconvinced 100% that this is not a problem for the latest version of the Matrix. There are apparently still anomalies being created by people rejecting the Matrix, and it still seems to be a problem for the Architect. While I am fully aware of the symbolic and/or theological reasons for it not to be a problem (i.e. the Messiah figure has solved the problem), I would still like to have some proof. I don't like to assume how much symbolism the Wachowski Brothers employ for any given situation, and I prefer to see evidence of it before believing it.

If anything, if they are following a strict biblical version of things, then it must be admitted that even after Christ's sacrifice for sin, there was still just as much sin in the world as before. His sacrifice didn't do away with sin (the anomaly), but simply provided a way to become free from it in this life through the righteousness of the Holy Spirit (akin to freeing your mind in the Matrix) and eventually resurrection (whose Matrix counterpart has yet to be shown). In other words, the anomaly would still exist and pose a threat to the Matrix over time, just as before.

I agree with Mobil that the Prime Program is not (ever) reinserted, rather it is reset and executed again in the same way. This is brought around by (as Feral Boy said) the dissemination of the code which the Integral Anomaly carries when the Anomaly reaches The Source.

Btw, the Prime Program is only needed as a control system during the Version 3 of the Matrix (The modern day world) due to its inherant design flaw. The previous versions did not require this control as the acceptance of the system did not lies with a question of choice. Nor does v4 of the Matrix (The one that is booted when the Matrix is rebooted after the 'annihalation' of Smith) because yet again, this system does not rely on choice and so does not require the element of control (The integral anomaly) that v3 did.

I disagree INfinity, choice is the problem in every single version of the matrix. It is the inability to take away human choice that has led to the version of the matrix that exists now. No one forced us to reject the first perfect matrix, we chose to do so. Choice is still a problem, but it is not as profound a problem. The matrix is still designed to keep people in, to get people to choose to accept the programming, but by allowing those who want out to be freed, choice is operating in a way it has never operated in the past. Which might also account for the anomalies not fitting any of the past indexing methedologies according to the architect (this means they are unlike any past anomaly they have seen).

I also disagree with Intell on one detail, that Smith is indeed gone. As fragments of Neo remain, so to must fragments of Smith. They were both joined in spirit and only together were they able to asscend. This is in my opinion, why the N3O Agents looked half like Neo and half Like an Agent... like say Agent Smith? I don't know for sure that Smith is entirely extinguished, but I am no more ready to say he is then I am to say Neo is no longer around in one form or another. I'm not sure what the fate of the anomaly has in store for the matrix, but I suspect it will be the actions of outside party's that incite action towards destruction of the peace, and perhaps destruction of the matrix itself. You are wise Feral Boy to not readily accept that the anomaly poses no threat to the system, but I wouldn't worry about it too much untill the machines themselves start worrying. After all, it is the anomaly that they worried about more then any other variable, including Smith whom grew too powerfull to control while they were centered on Neo and Zion. Keep the faith my friend lol, all things will become clear in time, and if they don't, you've always got your next life

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