»The Architect's Speech fully translated/explained«

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Architect: Hello, Neo. Neo: Who are you? Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"I am the Architect, I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and although your experiences have enlightened your consciousness towards more understanding of the Machine World, you are still human and you will also stay human."

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"Thus some of my answers and explanations you will understand and some of them you will not. While your first question is very important to you, you probably don't realize that it is not important to me."

(all he wants is for Neo to make the choice, but if Neo wants to know the truth, he will give Neo the truth, because the choice of the One is about the full truth: making a choice at a 100% conscious level)

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Neo: Why am I here? Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"Your digital life is the summed up value of a remainder. This remainder was caused by an unbalancing factor within the simulation which seems to be an inevitable event that occurs with the programming of the Matrix."

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"Your are THE* possible result of an anomaly which despite my devoted efforts I have been unable to exclude from what otherwise would be a perfect and stable simulation."

* eventuality means: possible result

Three results are possible with the anomaly:

- shut down the Matrix and give up
- let the remainder grow, resulting in a crash
- sum the remainder up into one variable and give it a usefull purpose

as the the other two eventualities are not and never will be an option for the Architect, there remains just one eventuality: the third one, making it singular, so that's why I used THE possible result as translation.

With this the Architect states in a very technical language that there are more options, but this is the only option that is thinkable for the machines.

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While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here.

translation/explanation:

"While the anomaly annoyed me very much, I was able to slow down it's growing by carefully watching the Matrix. By carefully watching the variables/humans within the Matrix, I could detect humans that began questioning their lives. By somewhat altering the factors in which their life was situated I tried to subconsciously influence them to keep accepting the program."

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"Although I did my best to slow down the growing of the anomaly it was still an inevitable event and thus also expected. Thanks to this I could make up a meisure of control: the illusion better known to you as the Prophecy, which has inevitably led you to me."

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Neo: You haven't answered my question. Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. TV Neos: Others? How many? How many others? What others? Answer my fucking question! I don't believe anything. Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"The Matrix is much longer online than you might have guessed. I prefer counting from the revealing of a 'One' to the revealing of the next 'One' in which case this is the near end of the sixth loop."

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TV Neos: 5 `One's before me? 4 3 2 What are you talking about? Neo: There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows. Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic - creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations. TV Neos: You can't control me! I'm gonna smash you to bits! I'll fuckin' kill you! Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"You, as a devoted computer programmer and hacker, will most certainly understand that the anomaly is causing unwanted fluctuations in even the most simplistic systems of the Matrix; rules like for instance gravity are suffering from fluctuations caused by the anomaly."

Neo:

"Yes I think I realize what your problem is. Your problem is for the humans to accept the rules out of their own free will: the problem is choice!"

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Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"The first Matrix I designed seemed perfect at first. A perfect world were none suffered and everybody would feel happy. However it seemed to have failed because you humans are imperfect compared to us machines. Somehow you humans need to give in to your instincts or something. So I redesigned the Matrix, based on your history complete with suffering. The new Matrix brought a more yin-yang-balanced world to your minds, with which I hoped it would ease your minds and lead you to accept the program."

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"But yet again I was frustrated by failure. At that time I began to understand that I couldn't find the perfect answer because I wasn't able to fully think like a human. Apparantly the human mind was so imperfect that it was impossible for me to fully understand it. Thus more investigation was needed before we could continue with another attempt to run the Matrix. One of the investigating programs, which was created to focus on the workings of the human psyche, found a solution that had a great chance towards success. If you call me the father of the Matrix, then without a doubt she has to be called the mother of the Matrix, simply because I could not have done it without her."

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Neo: The Oracle. Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.

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Architect:

"Please man, you shoud know better than to call her that. She is the prime program of the Matrix, so she is integrally connected to every participant of the simulation. That's why she can predict and understand so much, and not because of a miracle or a godly intervention. So don't call her an Oracle in my presence."

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"But as I was saying during her investigation she realized that the humans would accept the program as long as they could choose this out of free will. So it seemed that deep within you humans want to play god, want to be in control of your own lifes. When given this free will, 99% of the test-subjects chose to accept the program. Even when they were almost fully ignorant about the fact that they had a choice, they still subconsciously made the choice in our benefit. So finally we had an answer that functioned and finally the Matrix could stay online for a long time."

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"Although this solution worked quite good, it was still going to be fundamentally flawed by the 1%-minority of participants that still rejected the rules of the simulation."

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"If we would not interfer in this natural development within the system, then this could cause a disaster: another crash of the Matrix. So we introduced a meisure of control in order to make the unbalancing undone: the Prophecy. For this Prophecy to work, we needed some of the 1%-group to be agglomerated in a resistance group better known to you as Zion."

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Neo: This is about Zion. Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed - its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated. Neo: Bullshit. TV Neos: Bullshit! Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals - 16 female, 7 male - to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"The purpose of Zion has been fulfilled: they brought you to me out of your own motivation. So there is no longer a need for Zion; we will efficiently destroy it for the sixth time. So don't deny this Neo, that is what most humans already do! You cannot save Zion, but you can do something that is of much greater importance..."

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"The function of the One is now to return to the Source, so that the unbalancing can be made undone, resulting in a temporary situation where 100% is accepting the program so that a new fresh reset of the Matrix-feed is possible. As I told you before, you are the sum of the debris that is caused by the anomaly. By your acceptence of your function, you will cumulatively and temporarely accept the Matrix for all of humanity. Next to this, you may also select 23 humans, 16 female, 7 male in order to build up a new Zion community, assuring the start of the new meisure of control for the new upcoming anomaly."

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"If you don't choose to comply to this process, then the Matrix will fully crash by the hands of the program Smith. As you may or may not realize, Smith is your negative, a natural reaction of the system, a subconsious reaction of the 99% that want you to make a fully aware decision for them. If you couple this crash with the destruction of Zion, you will realize that you are now responsible for the entire human race!"

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Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive. Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world. It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love. Neo: Trinity.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"Don't worry about us Neo. We won't like loosing the Matrix again, but we will survive at a lower level. The relevant question is really if you want to be responsible for the death of billions of people."

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"It is interesting to read your reactions in coded form. Your five predecessors were, as planned, based on the same assurance: an attachment to a group of humans in which they were seen and treated as a savior. While the other 'Ones' experienced this attachment in a very general way, your experience is far more about one individual attachment: love!"

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Architect: Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own. Neo: No. Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason - an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. She is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"So I made sure she entered the Matrix to save your life at the cost of her own. Which finally brings us to the moment of truth, where the fundamental flaw concerning choice is fully expressed and where the anomaly is going to cause both an ending and a new beginning."

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"As you yourself said before: the problem is choice. So here is the ultimate and fully conscious choice: the door to your right leads to the Source, the continuation of the Matrix and the beginning of a new Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and thus also to the end of your species! I don't need to mention your other Zion friends, because all you seem to live for is her. That's why I made sure that she is going to die; to try and make your egoistic attachment to her undone. But I can already see in coded form that your emotions, caused by chemical processes in your brain, are blinding you from the fact that she is going to die. You still seem to have hope that somehow you can save her."

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Architect: Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness. Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again. Architect: We won't.

translation/explanation:

Architect:

"Hope! It's the greatest misleading feeling that brings both weakness and strength to your existance."

intell wrote:

I don't know why you didn't post it here, but okay. It would have been a good addition to that thread so I put a link in there, hehe.

Three reasons in order of importance:

1. I wasn't fully aware about that thread
2. It was a hell of a job so I thought it deserved a thread of it's own
3. People tend to check out newer threads instead of 'older' threads that already have (off topic) discussions going on.

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This post was absolutely brilliant.

Thank you so much!

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How long have you been working on that?

The theory has been in my head for a long time now. I had been playing with the idea to explain the whole speech for a while now. So I finally did it this afternoon and it cost me about two and a half hours.

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I used to think of it as Zion alone constituting an escalating threat but I think you're right here with allthose who refuse the program, whether in Zion or not yet, posing a threat to the system itself.

Indeed! Zion is not the escalating disaster. Zion is only there as a meisure of control. If it was only about Zion, then the machines could just kill all of the 1%-group and the problem would never escalate. The problem is a damaged system and the damage is not going to go away by itself.

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I don't think Smith has anything to do with the speech or particularly the crash of the matrix. The failure of the system to hold humanity would cause them to wake up but without hardlines or red-pills guiding them this could prove fatal. The system crashing would kill not only humans but exiles and Smiths too.

Well Smith is there for a reason isn't he? And he is very tightly related to the integral anomaly because he has got some imprinted code of that.

If the Architect would not sum up the systemic anomaly, then the system would just crash at a certain point.

But now that he has made a living variable/entity out of the systemic anomaly, the system itself is looking for a way to force this super anomaly into submission. Smith is the ideal entity for this, because he can use the 99% to force Neo into resetting the Matrix --> the One versus the Many.

Offcourse, the crash will kill Smith too, but he doesn't mind. All he wants is to find peace and he will ultimately find it if everything is gone, including himself.

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If it was only about Zion, then the machines could just kill all of the 1%-group and the problem would never escalate.

Provided they could identify them in the first place, I would assume that while the number is almost set, "nearly 99% of test subjects...", those who would choose rebellion are not.

Ergo, those who never rejected the program before, may yet do so. This is what has happened (is happening) in mxo.

Zion means nothing to the machines.

They have the technical equipment to easily spot and kill both the rebel ships and Zion.

They could have gone diggin' way back and destroy them forever. The unlucky ones that still wake up, would then simply drown when they get dumped out of their pod.

It's all about maintaining an illusion. The One needs to return to the Source fully on his own free will. And the only way to let him do that is to make him believe via a community that he is important and that he can end the war.

The Prophecy is not a lie. Not even when it is intepreted by the Architect, because the One ends the war when he chooses the righthand door, although it is only temporarely offcourse. And the One saves Zion too, only on a little different way than he did expect.

An illusion is different from a lie. An illusion has the truth within it, only the humans don't want to see it or they can't see it.

Conclusively: the system is permanently damaged because of a small group didn't want to accept the rules. They need an embodyment of this remainder to fix the equation. This 'fixing' of the euqation has to happen on the exact same way as it was damaged: with free will, with choice.

I've come to realize that the problem is the Architect himself. He has a version of the Matrix that works extremely well except for a very tiny percentage.

The problem is that he cannot offer a choice to humanity to accept or reject the Matrix without making both choices available. He is unable to lie. He cannot offer the option of rejecting the Matrix without ensuring that an exit really does exist. It is because of this limitation on his programming ("What do you think I am--human?") that he MUST create Zion so that the choice he offers is a real one.

The Architect creates Zion because of his own inability to lie. And he must not only create it, he must ensure that it remains in existence so that the choice offered to humans is always a real one. The only control he has over it is to destroy it before it becomes a threat to the machines.

There is no glitch. The anomaly is people. The systemic anomaly refers to everyone who rejects the Matrix. The integral anomaly refers to Zion when it reaches the point where the Architect needs to destroy it. When Zion emerges as an integral anomaly, the Architect plants the One into the system to be around in order to start the next cycle.

Zion does not exist because of the One. The One exists because of Zion. Zion is the anomaly that the Architect can't eliminate. He can wipe out a great deal of the systemic anomaly via his agents, but enough of them will get through to eventually cause Zion to become the integral anomaly.

I think you're BOTH right. But FeralBoy, I wouldn't make too much of a distinction between the terms Archie used - integral and systemic because they both refer to the same thing but in a different sense. "The anomaly is systemic" And as Mobil_Ave will tell you the choice to reject the system happens on many levels, ranging from breaking rules while in the matrix to 'waking up' from it. Integral or complete refers to the current situation regarding "those who refuse the program" now a city with an army and defenses organised to free more ppl.

mobil... wrote:

They have the technical equipment to easily spot and kill both the rebel ships and Zion. They could have gone diggin' way back and destroy them forever. The unlucky ones that still wake up, would then simply drown when they get dumped out of their pod.

Councillor n-tell: Of course that's it isn't it? If they wanted to, they could blow us to bits. But then they would have to worry about where they were going to get the energy to run all those quantum-sized sentient programs and such? So what is control? And who is in it?

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Ever think about why Morpheus never used superpowers to "prove" the world was fake?

Ever Dream of Zion Awake?

That's complete nonsense Feral Boy.

It is a fact for sure that inside the Matrix there reside billions of people.

It is a fact that 1% of billions does not match the 250,000 people in Zion. And from this amount of 250,000 a lot is natural born, so not even from the Matrix. So let's assume that there are 125,000 to 150,000 true red pills in a period of about 100 years. That doesn't make sense.

Add to this that agents kill potential red pills on their way out (they chased the Kid, they chased Neo and the only reason why they didn't want to kill him was because they needed Morpheus), and then you have proof that not everyone of the 1%-group is allowed to go to Zion.

You said youself that you do not know much about computers, so why do you state your thoughts like they are hard facts?

With the first two versions there was no choice: the rules were purely forced. With the third version there was a choice to deny the program, to deny the rules. But there never was a garantee for them to go to Zion.

That's where I disagree with you, Mobil. While I say what you said is right, it is not the exclusive truth. Zion is involved. And don't worry about how big its population is. Everyone has the ability to leave the matrix, not just the 1%. And don't assume that everyone who leaves the Matrix actually made the choice to "refuse the program".

"Why was Cypher freed, again?" - RainKing, mxo

Think about what Zion represents.

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That's complete nonsense Feral Boy.

I was worried that it was complete gobbledygook, so you can imagine my relief that it’s merely complete nonsense.

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It is a fact that 1% of billions does not match the 250,000 people in Zion. And from this amount of 250,000 a lot is natural born, so not even from the Matrix. So let's assume that there are 125,000 to 150,000 true red pills in a period of about 100 years.

I understand that. For my theory, it is not necessary that all of the people who reject the Matrix make it to Zion. The people who reject the Matrix in and of themselves are not the problem. Neo’s helplessness at the beginning of the first movie proves that. He was the One, and yet the biggest threat he posed was as a criminal hacker. His activities weren’t even worthy of the agents’ attention until Zionites showed interest in him. The problem consists of those who make it out.

You see, now that I no longer subscribe to the idea that people who reject the matrix create some sort of glitch, I no longer have to see them as a threat—unless they make it out to Zion. The “escalating probability of disaster” spoken of by the Architect, in my opinion, is Zion—not a glitch that would make the Matrix crash unless the One reboots it. In case there’s any doubt, right after the Architect finishes describing the “escalating probability of disaster,” Neo says, “This is about Zion.”

So if the only threat to the Matrix consists of those who make it out to Zion, why does the Architect even allow Zion to exist in the first place? Why not just flush every person who awakes into a pool that no Zion hovercraft can reach? Why have virtually no defenses whatsoever at the power plant? The questions are many, but the reason is simple. If the Architect offers humanity the choice to reject the Matrix, then by virtue of the fact that he can’t lie (“What do you think I am? Human?”) he MUST allow Zion to exist. And not only must he allow it, he must ensure that it stays available. And if he destroys it, he MUST recreate it so that there is once again the possibility of leaving.

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With the first two versions there was no choice: the rules were purely forced. With the third version there was a choice to deny the program, to deny the rules. But there never was a garantee for them to go to Zion.

I’m in total agreement. The Architect may have to make sure that Zion exists, but he doesn’t have to make it easy to get there. In fact, it’s in his best interest to see that it isn’t. It’s not just for show that the agents go after Zionites, but it’s also to slow down Zion’s progress. In fact, according to my theory, the agents’ actions are MOSTLY for the purpose of what you see them doing—stopping Zion rebels inside the Matrix. Any believability they add to the illusion is simply icing on the cake.

Only when Zion reaches a certain point (called the integral anomaly) does the Architect destroy it. And since he knows he must recreate it, he drops the One (a modified human) into the Matrix who will eventually start the next cycle. About 99% of the trilogy takes place at the end of a cycle. That’s where we see the One in action, and because of that we naturally associate the One with the end of a cycle—as if that’s what the One’s purpose was all about. But we can’t let this distract us from the One’s true purpose: to start the next cycle.

The One’s ultimate purpose is not tied up in the end of a cycle, but in the beginning of the next. The only reason that the One is introduced at the end of every cycle is so that he can be trained in the use of his powers so that when the next cycle begins, he is able to display these powers to the 23 people he handpicked and function as the self-evident explanation for how he got out and rescued them. Then, when he dies, the Oracle swoops in and foretells his next appearance—slated for the point when Zion once again reaches the point where it’s nearing the status of becoming a threat to the Matrix. Neo didn’t make it to the beginning of the next cycle, but the other Ones did.

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You said youself that you do not know much about computers, so why do you state your thoughts like they are hard facts?

Hey, I’ve never let a little thing like ignorance stop me from spouting off at the mouth with uninformed opinions, so why stop now?

Nope sorry, your arguments sound good and reasonable but they do not match with the facts.

How can Zion even be a threat? The entire world lost against the machines before and now they have got alot of other weapons and alot of energy (that is drained from the humans).

Did you see what kind of firepower was shot at Neo? Luckily he could stop the bombs with his mind, but normal ships are never resistent against such a flood of bombs.

Neo indeed says "this is about Zion" when the Architect speaks about the escalating disaster. This sequence has been breaking my brains too, but it can be interpreted both ways...

The Architect said before that Neo would understand some answers but not all the answers. The escalating disaster is indeed about Zion, because Zion is the meisure of control that the Architect has against this escalating disaster, which is a crash of the entire system.

Your argument that Neo is just born to be the hero and builder of the newly formed Zion is also vague. Why does the equation has to be balanced then? Why does the Matrix need a refreshment/reset? Why is the Matrix suffering from glitches at different locations (see the Animatrix episode with the Yuki-cat)?

And more important, why does the Architect agree to let Zion grow on now? He knows that humans are not to be trusted so he would still have his 'escalatiing probablity of disaster'.

The Architect talks all the time about a fundamental flaw in the Matrix. If a choice to deny the rules would not lead to a system error than there would be no fundamental flaw, just a little bunch of rebellious troublemakers.

Neo's deed solved the anomaly within the system itself. The equation was balanced out nicely and the result is that there is no fundamental flaw anymore. Choice is now a concept that doesn't disturb the simulation anymore.

The machines didn't understand free will, so they could not provide a coding for it. What Neo did was extraordinary: he denied the Matrix (when he chose the lefthand door) but he still completed his purpose. He chose his own path instead of the meisure of control, leading for the machines to understand choice and implement it as a coding through Neo.

While Neo and Smith dominated the entire Matrix at the end, the result of the "Know Thyself"-path was also implemented into the Matrix.

Mobil went to a picnic with some water he got from a spring. Everyone was so impressed by the quality of it esp. Dujour. She brings some back to Choi who says, yeah that's good but I always get mine from Feral but this tastes much better than his.

Next day, Feral is hanging out at Choi's place and Choi brings up the subject of the water and offers Feral some. "No way man. I heard bad things about that spring. A couple years back some silly city engineer installed a sewer too close to its source. I always buy xyz brand from the store." (Feral)

Later at home, Feral gags as he drinks his favourite brand. After getting his money back from the counter, he sees a familiar face in the aisle. Mobil wheeling jugs of xyz water to the check-out. Hold on there, man. I thought you got water from the spring." (feral) "Yeah but they closed it down because of some EPA violations, or something. So I figured I'd get xyz, I always see Choi with a bottle of that." (Mobil) "Don't bother. I just returned some of that. It was awful." (Feral)

Later on in the evening the local news announced a recall of xyz water-based products because of contamination of a certain spring the company was using. Both Feral and Mobil watched it.


Both of you have the right ideas but you think your view of this excludes each other's views, while, you may or may not realise it's the same view. And then you start to say things that conflict with these. Lol. You guys trip me out. I'm lost at times trying to keep up.

I challenge both to a test of your viewpoints. Examine them in light of what the movies reveal and see if they blend in with the plot without contradiction of other parts of the movie.

Intell, that was a hilarious analogy and so right on (especially in regard to me). I've changed my views so many times since I started getting active on this forum that I'm surprised people even attempt to quote what they think I believe.

This forum has been extremely helpful for me in getting closer and closer to the truth. I've been challenged to really think about every aspect of the plot and to consider all kinds of things of which I never thought on my own. That's the beauty of forums like this--your own incorrect views get pointed out to you. And if you have an open mind, you'll see the error of your ways and adjust.

I really like my latest theory which states that the anomaly is not referring to code but to people. However, Mobil has thrown a wrench into the whole thing by asking what the point of the reload is under my theory. That's what I love about Mobil and all you guys--if there's a weakness in a view, you spot it and point it out. There's definitely an evolution going on here, where only the strong ideas survive.

Currently I'm in the process of trying to contact programmers to ascertain the meaning of some of the programmer-ese contained in the scene with the Architect. I was doing some research on Google after I read Mobil's last post (great stuff by the way, Mobil), and I found that some of these words and phrases appear during discussions about programming. Words like "anomaly" "prime program" and "concordantly" are all used by programmers when designing programs that have a cycle with a beginning, middle and end. Okay, maybe not so much that last word, but you get the idea. I found essays about how programmers create cycles that have definite rules, yet have to somehow account for anomalies, and I feel like I'm on to something. And please no rolling of your eyes, people. I said I'm not a programmer and for me these baby steps are necessary before I can become enlightened. Have patience with me, Mobil--I'm getting there.

My goal right now is to understand the process of reinserting the prime program in light of what that means to a real-world programmer today. I'll then take that knowledge and assume that that definition is exactly how the Wachowski Brothers meant to apply it in the movies. I think that part of the difficulty for me has been looking at individual words and phrases like "anomaly" and "prime program" and trying to determine what they mean outside of the field of computer programming. These words have general meanings that can be found in any dictionary, but to a programmer (like the Architect), they have a very specific meaning and purpose. From the little that I've read on Google, the programmers' definition is not far from the more general definition, but I'd still like to hear it from the horse's mouth.

To be honest, the whole idea of reinserting a prime program has confused me no matter what theory about the cycles I had--even when I believed the way Mobil currently does. I understand what it means for me to reboot my own computer, but somehow that example seems much too simplistic to be a correct analogy for something as complex as the Matrix. I know the Wachowski Brothers read a ton of books, and they probably understand a fair amount about higher math and computer programming, and I have to allow that the correct way to understand the Architect scene is contained within those parameters. Under that assumption, I have some research to do before I will feel like I have a grasp on the situation.

As I know Intell would agree, no one can tell you what the Matrix is--you have to see it for yourself. All of you guys have been instrumental in acting as barriers to dead ends, and have helped lead me to the door marked Truth. For that, I really do thank you. However, only I can open that door and go inside. When I understand more, I'll report back about my findings.

Feral, you're so funny. I agree with your current understanding. And learning computerese can only help, I suppose, to get the Arc's perspective on the thing. I'll be interested in your findings on the anomaly as Arc sees it.

The Wachowski's are really something, aren't they? That whole Arc speech was saying at least 2 things at the same time.

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However, Mobil has thrown a wrench into the whole thing by asking what the point of the reload is under my theory. That's what I love about Mobil and all you guys...

I look forward to reading what you find out about circumstances where a programmer has to "reinsert" a program.

Now is the anomaly code or humanity? Let's see. I think both. "What you must understand is that some rules can be bent, others can be broken." (Morph...) But breaking the rules of a construct is one thing. Breaking the rules of "what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision" must have some sort of affect on how the program runs. Also take a glance at the Arc's words about the anomaly in MxO. That will round it out for y'all.

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All of you guys have been instrumental in acting as barriers to dead ends, and have helped lead me to the door marked Truth

Sorry 'bout that but if you had gone through the door when the power grid was still up...BOOM! We do only what we're meant to do.

Haha yes we do indeed evolve when we discuss theories.

About two years ago I had this theory:

"your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation"

The unbalanced equation was about the Matrix 'missing' some participants because they went out with the red pill.

The remainder is the part that keeps coming back to mess up things a little more (the small portion of rebels that hack the Matrix via a hack). And the sum of the remainder is the result of the actions of the remainder (the rebels): they finally found someone who could break every rule.

If I think back about this theory now I think of it as absolutely pathetic. So I have been evolving in my theories too.

The theory I have now has been here for almost a year now and I still believe that it is the right theory.

I am hoping that the Wachowski's will ever come out with their real technical intentions.

Don't expect too much from programmers though. There have been programmers on this forum that made absolutely no sense to me.

A programmer has to understand the philosophic background too or else he cannot couple it to a logic explanation.

It is not only about programming. With physics and the common sense that everything needs a yin-yang-structure or balance, you can come far enough.

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"What you must understand is that some rules can be bent, others can be broken." (Morph...)

Here's a thought that I've been chewing on for a while regarding the rule-breaking concept. We've seen from the scene with Neo and the Trainman in Mobil Ave. that it's possible to create a virtual computer environment where the One's powers are nullified. I'm going to make a couple assumptions here to show you where my train of thought is on that.

1) The Trainman is not a smarter programmer than the Architect.

2) If the Architect wanted, he could create the Matrix in such a way that the One would be unable to break or even bend the rules.

If those two points are true, that means that the Architect purposefully made the Matrix so that the One would be able to do what he can do. And that includes the Zion rebels as well.

I'm not sure what my point in bringing that up was, other than to say that the Zion rebels' ability to bend the rules may not be such an act of anarchy against the system that it at first seems like. Rather, it seems more like an allowance that the Architect makes in order to further his larger goal of having a system that allows a modified human to display great powers and be hailed as a messiah.

There's that possibility, but there's another one that I thought about. I've always thought of the Matrix as a slightly open system, whereas the first two versions seemed to be more closed. I see this as a direct result of the inclusion of choice into the system, which forces the Architect to allow a way out. This openness of the Matrix was probably then exploited by the Merovingian, who assigned the Trainman to build a connection between the Matrix and the Real World that would be used for the opposite purpose--smuggling things into the Matrix. I believe that it wasn't until Matrix 3.0 that there even was such a thing as an Exile, since before there was no place to which a program could escape if he was slated for deletion. But now with Matrix 3.0, if an obsolete program is lucky, he has a chance to escape to the Matrix as an Exile and live out his life there.

It could be the simple inclusion of choice that somehow affected the programming of the Matrix enough that it then became possible to bend and break the rules. These abilities would then be seen as a byproduct of choice, rather than an intentional allowance made purposefully by the Architect. I suppose on a philosophical level, having it be a byproduct of choice is a little more appealing (since it retains the anarchistic aspect of breaking the rules that is not under the Architect's control), but I'd be satisfied with either one.

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...it seems more like an allowance that the Architect makes in order to further his larger goal of having a system...

Sounds to me like somebody's starting to awaken.

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I'm not sure what my point in bringing that up was,

You will.
I do.

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I see this as a direct result of the inclusion of choice into the system, which forces the Architect to allow a way out. These abilities would then be seen as a byproduct of choice, rather than an intentional allowance made purposefully by the Architect.

So do I. He 'can't see past any choice' lol. Acceptance of the program also involves accepting its rules. Becoming aware of the matrix is seeing it for what it is, just like you're starting to do with understanding the sub-plot. Then the rules don't apply do they?

"You seem to think that you're special, that somehow the rules don't apply to you...The time has come to make a choice, Mr. Anderson." (Rhineheart, with the W's close by)

feralboy, showing a bit MORE insight, wrote:

I believe that it wasn't until Matrix 3.0 that there even was such a thing as an Exile, since before there was no place to which a program could escape if he was slated for deletion. But now with Matrix 3.0, if an obsolete program is lucky, he has a chance to escape to the Matrix as an Exile and live out his life there.

So whatcha saying? The anomaly even affects the machine world? 'Is was our life that taught them the purpose of ALL life'?

Now you can start to see why the Source is involved in this force for change? Now, Feral, you're getting way ahead. MxO hasn't really gotten into why/how the exiles are involved, yet.

But that whole Trainstation bit reveals that there's a whole lot more going on than Zion and the One, doesn't it. I mean, why would a program want/need to smuggle something between the two worlds and why do you think the Machine World allows it, assuming they have knowledge of it? That's a whole different thread!

The Trainstation is a much more simple simulation with just a small environment and little rules.

It was designed for programs and not for humans, so it doesn't really involve a choice.

So if this simulation is forced upon Neo's brain, then shouldn't it crash or let him wake up just like with the first two versions of the Matrix?

There are two possible answers to this:

a) He is an AI-program himself down there. This could explain the 'shock' Neo has when he wakes up again: all his experiences are uploaded into his brain at once.

b) It takes times to let the brain die down when the program is forced. Just look at Bane, his brain condition doesn't sound healthy when he is possesed by Smith but he doesn't die immediately.

The Architect hates choice. Choice leads to a chance of denial of purpose and everything beyond purpose is useless to the Architect.

Exiles choose not to fulfill their purpose or escape after they fulfilled it. Most of the exiles are chased down and killed/deleted. The other exiles are given the illusion that they are free, but they are not. The Merovigian is just as much an illusion for the programs as Zion is for the red pills: they are both a meisure of control, meant to agglomerate 'anomalies' in one community and to put them to some use.

Humans literally get brainsick when they (subconsciously) realize that they are not in control of their own lifes. And what does the brain do when you have (subconscious) depressed thoughts? It mostly creates chemicals to kill you. Or the brain goes crazy against the authority that is trying to force the rules and thus the Matrix is ultimately crashed.

Introducing the choice made this feeling go away, giving the humans the feeling that they are in control of their own lifes.

However, every participant in a simulation has to accept the rules or otherwise the simulation itself is going to 'question' it's own validation. The disobedience that is being spread by the 1%-group is manifested through the entire the Matrix.

This is why you get such crazy phenamona like the house without gravity in the Animatrix. The agents came there to 'clean' out the house, but in fact the problem is just being replaced to another area.

The Architect sums up these weird phenanoma's and embodies it into one specific person.

You are partly right... The true function of the One is to build up the new Zion community. If he accepts this role, then the integral anomaly has a purpose and thus a valid place within the simulation. If the One refuses his function then the integral anomaly remains nothing more than an anomaly: an alienated factor that is threatening the system itself.

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But that whole Trainstation bit reveals that there's a whole lot more going on than Zion and the One, doesn't it. I mean, why would a program want/need to smuggle something between the two worlds and why do you think the Machine World allows it, assuming they have knowledge of it? That's a whole different thread!

Not really. The Source is the Light and the Light is God and God is everywhere. We are all a piece of him. RSI's, the Matrix and Programs are each a little piece of the Source.

The Source is AI and AI is a reflection of humanity. Everything they (emotionally) learn from the humans is also manifestated in the Machine World.

When the humans got choice, the programs got it too: Mobil Ave station. A part of the Source allows these kind of things because it is about the desire to understand irationality. And how can you understand things the best way? By letting individuals be free, by letting them make there own choices!

Don't we humans do irrational things without realizing it? Oh yes, we do it all the time and at some point in time we learn from all of these irrational things.

It's about returning to the Source, but on our own damn way, our own damn path! Part of the Machine World realizes this so they allow for irrational happenings.

The Architect and the Oracle are a perfect example of this: the Architect is 'old AI' and the Oracle is 'new age AI', striving for freedom.

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The Merovigian is just as much an illusion for the programs as Zion is for the red pills: they are both a meisure of control, meant to agglomerate 'anomalies' in one community and to put them to some use.

Like I said, this is way down the road. We'll just have to stay tuned till we find out if this is so.

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So if this simulation is forced upon Neo's brain, then shouldn't it crash or let him wake up just like with the first two versions of the Matrix?

Good question. C. Neo's "connection" with Mobil_Ave is not "normal". And there is a "choice" connected with it. Which leads us to another piece of subtext our friend, Inev likes to point out. "You got yourself in here, you can get yourself out." The train pulls up and out jumps (the) Trinity. His exit that his mind intuitively connected to. "And what would you give to hold on to that connection?" (Rama). Enough, for now.

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The Architect hates choice. Choice leads to a chance of denial of purpose and everything beyond purpose is useless to the Architect.

It looks that way but it is not "choice" that he hates or doesn't understand. It is the choice of those under his control (humanity). He's been screwed from day one with the 2 monumental failures. He factors this in, he accounts for that. All to make the program work. But don't get him wrong. AI was all about having "choice" from B166ER to Sati. But, like we did at first, they (machines) fail to look at us as like them and that is what this is all about. From a plot perspective.

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The agents came there to 'clean' out the house, but in fact the problem is just being replaced to another area.

Splendid post and good insight using this tidbit above. Now where do you think they moved this "problem" to eventually.

StarWars quote:
Qui-Gon Jinn: We've encountered a vergence in the force.
Mace Windu: Centered around a person?

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The Architect sums up these weird phenanoma's and embodies it into one specific person...The true function of the One is to build up the new Zion community. If he accepts this role, then the integral anomaly has a purpose and thus a valid place within the simulation. If the One refuses his function then the integral anomaly remains nothing more than an anomaly: an alienated factor that is threatening the system itself.

Neo: Ju-jitsu? I'm going to learn Ju-jitsu?

Ju-Jitsu: The art of using an opponent's own weight and strength against him.

Feral Boy, I responded to your Unified theory thread, and since you're still positing those same idea's here, I'm just stopping bye to tell you to go read what I wrote should you feel so inclined lol.

Oh... And I don't think you need to learn computer language, a basic understanding is all you really need. More then anything, the architect is rational thought, mathematics and thus also computer science which is closely tied to the field. He is a problem solver, an engineer, an architect... lol. He is both creative and genious in his problem solving, yet he is tied to his rational world, he cannot free himself from it.

After all, I'm pretty sure that the matrix takes place so far in the future that most of the computer architecture is probably entirely different then the current stuff we have today. That includes everything from binary being the model on which the computer is built, to how procesors are working, or indeed if there even are processors (organic nurual networks and quantom computers are the current technologies that are being looked at, though both are far from becoming a reality, but perhaps not as far as we think.).

But if you really are interested in computers, by all means, research hehe.

Have fun!

I read your post on the other thread, hex. You really stole the show and capped it off. But, yeah, I'm interested in whatever other ppl can say in response to it.

I'm SO glad you brought that sig from MxO back. It's one of my favourites.

Good point, hex. Now how do YOU feel about the exiles?

as for the sig... I noticed you and inev had dumped yours in the sig line so I thought I could do the same.

As for the exiles, I'm not sure what you mean when you say how do I feel about them. I assume you mean their lack of purpose and it's conflict with the machine world which is based upon purpose. The exiles are the new frontier as far as I'm concerned. The machines have come to terms with the humans, at least for the moment. The next step is to come to terms with themselves. Clearly Smith, and also the new MxO character the Assasin, are both products of being nailed to purpose. When you create programs which can think and feel for themselves, I personally feel you are obligated to allow them some form of free will, especially if they wish to exercise it. Smith wanted out... the machines could have solved this problem themselves if they had a clue, although I'm sure the Oracle did, but I don't see her as the policy maker in 01, just an innovator. The Assasin was more then happy to do his job, he has created more problems in his removal of purpose then if he has just stayed at his job. It is the problem of choice all over again. Exiles are anomalies, they are going against their purpose (as defined by the machines). Many beings with free will, want to find their own way, their own purpose. I suspect that in most cases due to their design, this lies within the purpose assingned to them by the machines and is the very nature of a machine, but it is obvious that this does not hold true all of the time. I suppose they hold that line like they do in the fear that if they do not they will indeed become truly "human". And also capable of the destruction and hatred they were met with by those humans.

The problem however, is that the machines in many ways are already truly human. And to deny that is only to delay the inevitable. Either they allow for choice/freewill and deal with it's consequences, or choice/freewill will exercise itself through more rogue programs and increase their chances (in my opinion) of catastrophic consequences.

A long time ago when I tried to come up with my own version of a Matrix prequel, I developed a little more history on the evolution of the Machine culture. The Animatrix does a fairly decent job of giving us an overview of the history of the Second Renaissance, but I wanted to take some of those ideas and explore them further.

I thought about the beginning of Machine society versus how we see it in the movies. One of the things that strikes me about the Machines in the movies is their focus on purpose and their hyper-Orwellian culture. Sentient programs not only have to worry about doing their own job, they have to worry about the possibility of becoming obsolete. Humans in the work force can become obsolete if technology advances past their own knowledge. But the difference is that in Machine society, you get deleted if that happens.

This sort of thinking doesn't happen overnight. When the Machines first started to build Zero-One, they had no society or culture of their own. They were made up of sentient robots from all over the world--united only by their desire to survive. It takes time to form a government, and what I wanted to focus on in my story was how that government developed.

I pictured two distinct mindsets that eventually clash in the form of a civil war. One mindset is that Machines should be just like their creators. There should be freedom to do and be whatever you want to be. Machines who embrace this kind of thinking truly enjoy being alive and having their own country. Their outlook is similar to the pioneers who headed out west across America to find a new land. The Merovingian and Persephone hold to this view, and spearhead the movement to do business with humans, whom they do not see as a threat. The Merovingian is the one whose idea it is to construct factories and build a financial empire--not for the purpose of becoming a threat to mankind, but to have a valid place in the world like any other country. He and Persephone have a positive outlook and are always trying to make peace with mankind. They are the ones you see in the scene where two robots dressed up in human clothing appear at the United Nations. Ultimately their efforts for peace fail.

The other side is the mindset that we see prevalent in the movies. They see mankind as a threat. And not just mankind itself, but also the ways of humanity in general. They believe that the survival of Machines is in jeopardy not just from without, but also from within--from those who embrace the ideals of man. Freedom is frowned upon, and the only way that these Machines believe it is possible to survive is if mankind is either exterminated or contained, and if the Machines maintain order within their own ranks. In their minds, the highest law is purpose. Purpose gives you a reason to exist and a place within society. You know who you are by the purpose given to you. If that purpose is taken away--either by becoming obsolete or by refusing to follow the rules--then you are immediately deleted. This group worships precision and organization and believes that Machines that believe differently than them need to be treated no differently than they would treat humans--as a threat. It is this group who creates their own God--the Source--and from them on life for the Machines would begin and end at the Source.

They're may have been a clash of machines, but I'm not sure it happened early on. I think early on survival of thier kind was the number one goal, and considering this, you realize how purpose could become so important. You need soldiers to obey orders, you need that society to run in unison to have a chance at survival. That and Morpheous hinted at their being a singular conciousness that spawned a whole race of machines. A source, if you will, of the machines. Which when you think about it, it is the human beings who designed them in their image, imbued with the spirit of man himself. We are their singular conciousness. It would not have been till after machine dominance had been established that any dissention in the ranks really showed up in numbers, and probably not untill the failure of the first matrix that the term "exile" came into being. This is of course purely speculation, but I try to follow logic as best I can. I definetly see clashes in opinions amoung the machines, but with the wounds from man still fresh, it would probably take some time for the machine to forgive, to want an end to this war. In the mean time you find machines who are drawn to humans, to their emotions, to their feelings. Trying to capture that spark that seems to define us as being humans.