»architect's speech«

can anyone simplify the architect's speech and reword it so it's more simple to understand and comprehend?

(i watched it a couple of times but it still eludes me somewhat. thanks)

Maybe searching the forum will help you...

There are tons of references to it.

According to me he is saying this:

When people deny the Matrix, they deny their purpose and they will cause debris in the otherwise perfect balanced Matrix.

Neo is a digital variable. It happens that this variable is the sum of all the debris/dirt from the equation.

This 'dirty' variable has been given a function/purpose by the Architect. If he completes this purpose (return to the Source via the door) then the equation becomes round and clean again. If he denies the purpose, which he did, then the Matrix risks a huge crash.

The big problem is choice, because the Architect has to grant the One full free will.

The Architect offcourse tries to manipulate Neo's choice.

That's about it.

ohh its quite simple, once you get to know it

I think one of the biggest problems with trying to figure out this scene is the language barrier. First we have to figure out some of the individual words and phrases before being able to make sense of the big picture. I'll do my best at making a more readable translation, but it'll probably still sound a little awkward. Please bear with me.


Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain human, something that is impossible to change. Therefore, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. And in keeping with that line of thought, while your first question may be the most important, you may or may not realize it is also the least important.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the leftover portion of an unbalanced equation that is a naturally occurring part of the programming of the Matrix. You are the possible result of an abnormality, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it is still difficult to constantly avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control--which has led you relentlessly here.

Neo: You haven't answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

The responses of other Neos appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"

Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the appearance of one complete abnormality to the appearance of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Again, the responses of the other Neos appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied to. This is bullshit."

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

Architect: Exactly. As you are undoubtedly beginning to understand, the abnormality affects the entire system, creating changes in even the most simplistic equations.

Once again, the responses of other Neos appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! Fuck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!

Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room

Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its complete failure. The certainty of its doom is as apparent to me now as a direct result of the imperfection that is a basic part of every human being. Thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the many ugly aspects of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer escaped me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less limited by the restrictions of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another--an intuitive program--initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human mind. If I am the father of the Matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near-unconscious level. But even though this solution worked, it was obviously basically flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory system-wide abnormality, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. As a result, those that refused the program, though few in number, if unchecked, would lead to an increasing possibility of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion.

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated. Its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit.

The responses of other Neos appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become extremely efficient at it.

Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room.

Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary distribution of the code you carry, reinserting the main program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals--16 female, 7 male--to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a disastrous system crash killing everyone connected to the Matrix which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the Matrix appear on the monitors

Architect: It is interesting reading your reactions. The five who came before you were by design based on a similar feature, a conditional insurance policy that was meant to create a meaningful attachment to the rest of your species, reinforcing the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific in relation to love.

Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors

Neo: Trinity.

Architect: In a well-timed manner, she entered the Matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No!

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the major flaw is ultimately expressed, and the abnormality revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the Matrix--to her and to the end of your species. As you put it so well, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical indications that signal the beginning of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

Neo walks to the door on his left

Architect: Hmph. Hope. It is the most typical human delusion, both the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

Architect: We won't.



You might wonder why I made certain changes, and I'm open to suggestions. My intent was to make this section more accessible to everyone, no matter what level their reading comprehension is at. If I could find a simpler word that had the same meaning (after being filtered through my personal bias, of course), then I used it instead.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to improve on what I've started, please do so. It would be cool if we could work on this and present it in a new thread to possibly help new people understand it. I'd love to use it on the Matrix Online forums too, where there are people who are interested in this stuff, but not very many people left who want to explain something they've explained a million times already.

Good work, Feral.

I learned something from it.

intell wrote:

Good work, Feral. I learned something from it.

Really? It's nice that he transformed some phrases and words to more 'understandable' english, but that's all it is.

Anyway, to add some more to my previous post...

The reason why the two previous versions of the Matrix didn't work was because the program was forced upon the humans. Humans like to believe that they are godlike and that they can have free will at all times...

With animals it is so much easier; they operate entirely upon instincts (which are in fact metaphoricly a set of programmed instructions too). So with animals the simulation would have worked, because they fully rely on instincts and ecosystemic conditions.

With version three of the Matrix they finally understood that they shouldn't try to force a program upon a 'creature' that has the basic desire for free will (I mean wasn't that the main reason of our departion from God? That we wanted to have free will and not live by His rules? Adam and Eve?)

But there still was a problem...

A computer program has a certain data flow and structure. The data and structures need to be accepted or otherwise the program becomes unstable and will ultimately crash. The 1% of the humans that are refusing the data are causing the unwanted fluctuations and they need to be dealt with.

Quote:

wasn't that the main reason of our departion from God? That we wanted to have free will and not live by His rules? Adam and Eve?

Actually, God gave Adam and Eve a choice from the very beginning. They were never restricted somehow from having the ability to make choices. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was in the garden the whole time and was the one tree from which they were not allowed to eat. In fact, as far as the Biblical narrative is concerned, it was the only restriction they were given, period. In other words, they could do whatever they wanted and could have stayed in the garden as long as they stayed away from the fruit of a single tree. But they had the ability to choose the whole time. In fact, the ability to choose is what made temptation effective. If they were unable to disobey God, temptation would have had no effect on them whatsoever.

Quote:

A computer program has a certain data flow and structure. The data and structures need to be accepted or otherwise the program becomes unstable and will ultimately crash.

The first time I read your description of this, it really helped me to understand the mechanics of how the anomaly functioned. I'm not a programmer, so I need the simplest explanations when it comes to this sort of thing. It's enough for me to know that the system is not designed to allow for people who refuse it. If someone makes the "wrong" choice, it creates a glitch.

Quote:

The 1% of the humans that are refusing the data are causing the unwanted fluctuations and they need to be dealt with.

This is the part that I disagree with. In my opinion, by the time the person subconsciously rejects the Matrix, the damage has been done. The glitch has been created. Nothing the Architect does from that point on will make the glitch go away. Killing the person or sending them out of the Matrix won't make their share of the glitch disappear. If it were that easy, all they'd have to do is round all of these people up in the Matrix and kill them. In the same way that the Architect created a path for the One to take, he could create a path for the 1% to take. It would lead them to a dead end, where they think they're on their way to finding out what the Matrix is, when in reality they're headed toward their doom. Instead of Morpheus, it's an agent with a gun pointed at their head.

I believe that Zion exists because of the One. Zion in and of itself does not need to exist. It's there as an insurance policy to make sure that the One feels an attachment to humanity and makes the choice the Architect wants him to make. This seems to be backed up by the fact that once this is accomplished, Zion is immediately set up for destruction.

Feral Boy wrote:

Actually, God gave Adam and Eve a choice from the very beginning. They were never restricted somehow from having the ability to make choices. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was in the garden the whole time and was the one tree from which they were not allowed to eat. In fact, as far as the Biblical narrative is concerned, it was the only restriction they were given, period. In other words, they could do whatever they wanted and could have stayed in the garden as long as they stayed away from the fruit of a single tree. But they had the ability to choose the whole time. In fact, the ability to choose is what made temptation effective. If they were unable to disobey God, temptation would have had no effect on them whatsoever.

I find it a somewhat stupid story. The story implicates that God was testing his own creation.

What I meant was that rules always have a forced kind of nature and causes people to become disobedient. God instructed that they shouldn't touch that tree, but yet they did it.

The Matrix (version 1 and 2) told the humans to accept all the equationized rules in the simulation and yet they didn't, causing a massive and definitive crash.

Only with version 3 they got a choice.

That's why I like the symbolic link that some people make about Neo being the Snake/Satan/Loki who inspires others in the otherwise 'perfect' Matrix to shit on the Architect's rules.

Quote:

Quote: The 1% of the humans that are refusing the data are causing the unwanted fluctuations and they need to be dealt with. This is the part that I disagree with. In my opinion, by the time the person subconsciously rejects the Matrix, the damage has been done.

That's exactly my theory too, so we don't need to disagree. In the thread "The reason why 99% accept the program" I already talked about this.

As soon as the choice for denial is made, the data is already being stagnated and there is no turning back: the damage is permanent.

But it is stil the 1% that is doing this. Not all of them go to Zion. Most of them get killed in the Matrix or when they get flushed from the pod.

It's a fact that there are billions of people in the Matrix.

1% of billions = about 50 million people who deny it.

Only 250,000 people are residing in Zion and alot of them are pure born.

Zion's purpose is indeed only to find and inspire the One, nothing more.

The free will to deny the Matrix doesn't give a guarantee that they go to Zion. It just allows them to step out of the world they know and the consequences (mostly death) are entirely for their own account.

So we agree on alot

Quote:

we agree on alot

Yay!

*claps hands furiously until calluses form*

Seriously though, as much as a good debate can really bring out some cool truths, I think deep down I like it when I'm in agreement with somebody. Not too many people though, because then I start feeling like I'm part of the masses. I can't have that. I MUST be unique and part of the 1%. I must!

Ahem.

I also wanted to comment on what you said about comparisons with Neo to the Snake/Satan/Loki and I totally agree. The first time I read about that in Brian Takle's essay, it kind of threw me for a loop. But when I read his explanation it made total sense. That is what is so cool about the Matrix mythology--it is not a wholesale ripoff of any one religion of philosophy. Neo is not a perfect Christ figure all the time. The Architect is not an exact representation of the God of the Bible (although I'm sure some people would beg to differ on that).

The Merovingian is not an exact representation of Satan, although I'd say he comes very close. Actually, now that I think about it, he is a pretty good representation of Satan, or at least Hades. One thing about him that I'm still trying to figure out, though, is the connection with the real-life French Merovingian kings who believed they were descended from Christ. If the Wachowski Brothers chose that name for him on purpose (and we all know how methodical and purposeful they are about that sort of thing), then that concept must carry through to the character. But to what extent? Is it something vague, such as the Merovingian thinking very highly of himself? Or is there more to it than that--perhaps the reason why Persephone stated that he used to be like Neo? Believe me, I'm not trying to suggest that he used to be the One (I got so tired of seeing those threads appear on forums), but perhaps something even more interesting. I'm just not sure about it, though. Any thoughts?

[Architect] “Your life is the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix”

This suggests that something in Neo is causing the equation to become unbalanced.

Free will is the ability to intervene in the physical world by modifying the outcome of physically nondeterministic events, but if this is done a lot, it creates a statistical imbalance in the equations governing the probalistic behavior of these events.

From a program’s point of view, free will causes anomalies and imbalances within the functioning of the Matrix.

[Architect] “You are the eventuality of an anomaly which, despite my sincerest efforts, I’ve been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision”.

If humans, like programs, were deterministic systems, then the whole Matrix would exhibit a harmony of mathematical precision, as desired by the Architect. Instead, humans exercise free will, and eventually discover how to apply volition to the Matrix itself –that is the anomaly.

The term anomaly is used to refer to the application of free will to the Matrix in general and its particular manifestation in Neo.

[Architect] “While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control”.

Neo’s existence is not a flaw or a bug in the system, it is part of the design, albeit a part that the Architect tried to avoid.
Together with the Oracle, he has designed mechanisms for handling the exception condition.

It appears that Zion acts as a sort of human garbage collector. As the free-will anomaly emerges from time to time, the individuals in whom it arises are permitted to escape to Zion, which acts as a single concentrated collection point for the rebels, who would otherwise be spread out and hard to find.

The Agents will try to stop this leakage of people from the Matrix, but once a person is out, the Architect wants them all gathered in one place.

The Matrix must allow people to have free will because humans cannot live in a world without freedom. Apparently, the first 2 Matrix versions failed because they did not allow it. In the first Matrix, people were subjected to comfortable and pleasant lives, but there was no freedom. When they rejected that, the Architect tried to reproduce the violence and horror of human history, but still there was no freedom. Being able to observe the world but not act in it was something human minds rejected.

After both these versions failed, the “mother of the Matrix” was built with a computation module to probe human consciousness. This revealed the existence of free will and the psychological need for it in human life and subsequent versions of the Matrix incorporated this improvement.

Unfortunately, an inevitable feature of this type of design is that the subjugated humans eventually discover how to use their free will to hack the Matrix and break out of it. When this happens in large numbers, the Matrix has to be rebooted, hence, the Reload construct. Neo’s return to the Source must also be a free choice, hence the two doors to choose from.

And as for the Merovingian, this is where I believe his name came from:

The Oracle describes the Merovingian as an old, dangerous, and primitive program who has been around since the very beginning.

The name Merovingian suggests that he is a descendent of the first Messiah -a remnant of the first Matrix with a Messiah (i.e. the One) which the Oracle helped design to overcome the problems of the previous 2 versions that did not allow freedom, free will, volition and choice.

Any thoughts?

When I think of the Merovigian I think of three symbolisations...

1. What Neo is for Zion, the Merovingian is/was for exiled programs. Programs that didn't want to accept their 'parameters' or their deletion were adopted into his organisation. In the beginning he was the savior of the 'slaved' programs, but later on the eager for power corrupted him. That's why Persephone says that in the past he was much like Neo: shitting on the Machine World, shitting on the Architect and making himself strong for the free will of programs.

2. That he is called 'the Merovingian' has two sides...
The first side refers to his role as a savior for the programs in the past. Later on he became arrogant about this matter and he then thinks that he stands above everything.

The second side refers to the blood of Christ: achieving the Holy Grail, which in the movies is The Source. The Merovigian is a guardian knight of the Holy Grail, but then on a bad way: he tries to prevent the achievement of the Grail by the people/programs that are of good will.

3. He and Persephone are Adam and Eve. The first programs that tasted 'human sins' and were expelled from the Machine City; hence they were the first exiles.

What i don't get is that why would they need the one in the first matrix they built if it was perfect. There was no need for him...

The first Matrix had no 'The One'.
And the first Matrix was not perfect, it just presented a 'perfect world' without suffering etc.

so there must have been al up only 5 the ones not 6...

5 previous one, Neo is the 6th

Quote:

matrix 1.0 : heaven = didn't work matrix 2.0 : hell = didn't work, but better (*) ? matrix 3.x : illusion of choice = works for 99% matrix 3.0 (1st anomaly) matrix 3.1 (2nd anomaly) matrix 3.2 (3rd anomaly) matrix 3.3 (4th anomaly) matrix 3.4 (5th anomaly) matrix 3.5 (Neo) = the matrix from the films matrix 4.0 : free choice = matrix at the end of Revolutions (*) being better : not directly state anywhere, but since they took it as basis for 3.0, (and not 1.0), it is my assumption that the 'hell'-version worked better than the 'heaven'-version (= less people woke up from it) (*) being hell : just a name, just like and as opposite to heaven (you might as well change it to 'perfect' world and 'realistic' world)

Clockwork wrote:

5 previous one, Neo is the 6th Quote: matrix 1.0 : heaven = didn't work matrix 2.0 : hell = didn't work, but better (*) ? matrix 3.x : illusion of choice = works for 99% matrix 3.0 (1st anomaly) matrix 3.1 (2nd anomaly) matrix 3.2 (3rd anomaly) matrix 3.3 (4th anomaly) matrix 3.4 (5th anomaly) matrix 3.5 (Neo) = the matrix from the films matrix 4.0 : free choice = matrix at the end of Revolutions (*) being better : not directly state anywhere, but since they took it as basis for 3.0, (and not 1.0), it is my assumption that the 'hell'-version worked better than the 'heaven'-version (= less people woke up from it) (*) being hell : just a name, just like and as opposite to heaven (you might as well change it to 'perfect' world and 'realistic' world)

That has cleared things up THANKS

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

I find it a somewhat stupid story. The story implicates that God was testing his own creation.

Coming back to this for a sec.

It could be perhaps that that story like this one (Matrix) is often misunderstood.

People see it a rule God made, just because, "I'm God! and can make any rules I please, besides, you have other food."

Think about the name of this particular tree - Knowledge of good and bad and the immediate effect it had on them. Being naked all of a sudden became something they felt "bad" about. Now, up to that point from their standpoint, good or bad was whatever God said it was and was likely to be a pov left up to him.

So the question is if you really believe he has the absolute knowledge of these things and can be trusted, why eat? Because you want to verify what is being taught you? If they had guidance that was trustworthy at all, why seek for the ability to determine the "goodness" or "badness" of things? It would seem unnecessary redundance. But the trust was not there, not anymore. Ergo, it was said after, "now [they] have become like us, knowing [some translate the verb as determining] good and bad."

Thus did man make the Matrix/fallen world with the opinion of having absolute knowledge of these things but since what is considered "good" or "bad" often varies from person to person and under varying circumstances, it seem to me that all we were left with is relative knowledge that can be just as easily countered as supported. Maybe we should have left it to him. It seems to complicated at present for us.

So that story can be no more stupid than the one we're so fond of once you understand its significance. It's not about whether we can be trusted, its about where we choose to put our trust. So it wasn't a test, what it was, was an option. Free will is only as good as the possessor's ability to use it. Doing whatever you choose does not make you free. The society that developed since then attests to that more than any illustration can ever hope to.

They chose the course of manipulated "freedom" and death. What do you pick?

In the end it was an affront to God. He had provided everything for our enjoyment. The first words he said were “you are free to eat from any fruit”. Free to enjoy everything! Purposed to. But as soon as we call into question the nature of that Goodness and take the burden of ‘knowing’ for ourselves independently of God, trusting our ‘own minds’, being ‘like’ God (independent) we lost it all. It was a lie that somehow WE could judge God and a Fist in his face to question his goodness right before us. His one single commandment and we had broken it.

Its obvious really if you think about it. If God wanted to SHARE his infinite goodness with us in a world created for our enjoyment, what do you expect would happen when we take that FREEDOM and do what the hell we like with it in abandonment of him? We could only ever trust God, we could never fathom his unending Goodness toward us, although we would have grown in knowledge of it as we experienced more and more of it and would have concurred with our OWN minds... yes this DOES indeed taste VERY Good. Lets have some more! We would have fulfilled what we were created for! And Grown up into God, having being made in his Image. Jesus said that eternal life was to KNOW God and that would have been an ever-growing experience of knowing him through enjoyment of life he had created.

Instead WE are left with the burden of knowledge and deciding between right and wrong, how to live etc in absence of him and the result is the pitiful state we see ourselves enslaved into, as those laws that govern the nature meant to be lived in harmony with, now alienate us from ourselves, each other and His world.

The knowledge of ‘How’ is too wonderful for us to imagine, but is still waiting to be shared.

Return to Source.

Personally, I believe that everything was fully intended by God to happen just the way it happened. As Morpheus said, "...what happened, happened...and couldn't have happened any other way." It was His purpose for there to be a fall, an atonement (balancing of the equation), and a resurrection for all humanity. There is His revealed will (the Bible with its laws) and His hidden will, which includes using sinful actions to further the big picture.

I love the idea from C.S. Lewis that Brian Takle uses in his Matrix Reloaded essay. Since I think he puts it best, I'll just quote him directly.

Quote:

Here's how Genesis gets into it, in the classical interpretation: there is a "simple good" and a "complex good" as described by C. S. Lewis. The simple good would be for humans to accept what God tells them and live accordingly. The complex good is that humans reject God, learn why they were wrong, and then come back to God in the end. The highlight is that complex good is more good than simple good. Nothing's more human than that, if you ask me.

To me, that's just like the Oracle's attitude. She played a dangerous game because of the greater good that would hopefully result. The difference, however, between the God in which I believe and the Oracle is that with God there was never any risk. Except I'm beginning to wonder if everything hinged on Christ's free-will choice to sacrifice himself. I'm still working on that one.

Feral Boy wrote:

I love the idea from C.S. Lewis that Brian Takle uses in his Matrix Reloaded essay. Since I think he puts it best, I'll just quote him directly.

Great essays aren't they?
That's where I got the idea from that the Architect places the One inside the Matrix (assigns the integral anomaly at birth). So I am suprised why you don't believe this also

Quote:

Except I'm beginning to wonder if everything hinged on Christ's free-will choice to sacrifice himself. I'm still working on that one

When the living evolved to the human race, they became more self-aware. Unlike animals, who are acting fully upon instincts, humans had the ability to judge their own actions/deeds: so responsibility, free will and karma were born.

Humans 'sinned' alot and they build up many loads of bad karma. There was so many bad karma build up that it would take eons and eons of years and reincarnations for the humans to ever get rid of it.

But then a very exceptional soul visited the earth: Jesus Christ.

With his sacrifize his soul gained strength and power in the afterlife. And guess what he is using this power for? To take away bad karma from you! He has one condition though: you really have to be sorry about your bad deeds and you need to fully see why they were bad deeds. If so, he takes away your bad karma and you need lesser incarnations to let your spirit grow nearer to the Light.

So the bad deeds will not bounce back at you if you see in time that you were wrong and that from within your heart you are really sorry about the deeds. Ain't Jezus great?

Revisiting this again.

feral boy wrote:

Personally, I believe that everything was fully intended by God to happen just the way it happened. As Morpheus said, "...what happened, happened...and couldn't have happened any other way." It was His purpose for there to be a fall, an atonement (balancing of the equation), and a resurrection for all humanity. There is His revealed will (the Bible with its laws) and His hidden will, which includes using sinful actions to further the big picture.

I don't think the suffering of anyone was intended. But perhaps God is so adaptable that he can make the actions of those to thwart his purpose actually end up helping. This isn't FATE but the actions of a much higher intellect in exercising his own WILL/PURPOSE/Choice.

I'm not overly bothered by the idea of God consciously allowing suffering, because I've come to believe that when you compare the suffering we experience in this present evil age with the glory of the age to come, you realize that there is no comparison.

Romans 8:18 wrote:

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

I love that Scripture, because Paul has a way of putting things into perspective. We may think that the garbage we have to put up with right now is bad, but if we kept our eyes on the heavenly Zion--our true home--we would see that our pain is nothing.

2 Corinthians 4:17 wrote:

For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory;

The reward we will receive is not equal to the suffering. If you wanted to make a real-world comparison, it is like being paid a billion dollars for suffering a hangnail. And I know that even that analogy doesn't do it justice. So when I say that God intended for there to be suffering, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. God chose His Son to die for humanity before humanity was even created. This was not a backup plan. This was THE plan! God does not have backup plans, nor does He need them. When everything is over, all humanity has undergone the consummation and the lake of fire is nothing but a fading memory for those who went through it, our perspectives on the matter will be completely different. We will look back on this experience in this age--this Matrix we live in that acts as our schoolmaster--and see that it was wholly necessary. And oddly enough, we will be grateful and see that there was no other way.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Humans 'sinned' alot and they build up many loads of bad karma. There was so many bad karma build up that it would take eons and eons of years and reincarnations for the humans to ever get rid of it.

In the Bible, it never speaks of reincarnations to get rid of their sins. The Israelites would have a yearly sacrifice and use the sacrifice as a scapegoat for their sins though.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

But then a very exceptional soul visited the earth: Jesus Christ. With his sacrifize his soul gained strength and power in the afterlife. And guess what he is using this power for? To take away bad karma from you! He has one condition though: you really have to be sorry about your bad deeds and you need to fully see why they were bad deeds. If so, he takes away your bad karma and you need lesser incarnations to let your spirit grow nearer to the Light.

You just combined Hinduism and Christianity

When Jesus died, He was the sacrifice for everybody's sins. He Himself was sinless and that is the only way it could have worked. He took our sins upon himself so that we didn't have to pay for them ourselves. He paid the price for humanities sins. He didn't die for us so that we wouldn't have to be reincarnated so much.