»What is the Matrix?«

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Here is what I think the Matrix is

There are two worlds the REAL world and WONDERLAND

Neo is Jesus
Trinity is Jesus wife
Morpheus is Saint Peter because he was walking on water before Neo saved him

In the REAL World Neo is a MAN
In Wonderland(Matrix) he is a GOD

The Roman Emperor Made him a GOD to control you
It is a prison for your mind design to control you

The name Anderson mean the Son of Andrew and Adrew means Man so he is "The Son of Man" not GOD

I guess you followed Morpheus good old advise:
Free your mind

renovatio wrote:

I guess you followed Morpheus good old advise: Free your mind

What are you trying to say?

Or perhaps you read the DaVinci code too much

The Therion wrote:

Or perhaps you read the DaVinci code too much

The Puzzel fits perfect

What do you think The Matrix is about?

DaVinci wrote:

The Therion wrote: Or perhaps you read the DaVinci code too much The Puzzel fits perfect What do you think The Matrix is about?

Believe me, Vinci, the world does not revolve around the best-selling rip-off by Dan Brown. Do you think he came up with all those ideas on his own, and that they are all valid?

Both he and the Wachowskis piece together stories based on esoteric religious and historical material, but don't even compare his creativity to theirs.

Marsoullis wrote:

DaVinci wrote: The Therion wrote: Or perhaps you read the DaVinci code too much The Puzzel fits perfect What do you think The Matrix is about? Believe me, Vinci, the world does not revolve around the best-selling rip-off by Dan Brown. Do you think he came up with all those ideas on his own, and that they are all valid? Both he and the Wachowskis piece together stories based on esoteric religious and historical material, but don't even compare his creativity to theirs.

What part of The Matrix would you like to start debating about?

LOL I have no idea what you're talking about

DaVinci wrote:

Do you think he came up with all those ideas on his own, and that they are all valid?.

No I did not believe what he said. I started doing research to find out. I read the Bible and research to find out were Easter came from. you should find out too.

DaVinci wrote:

DaVinci wrote: Do you think he came up with all those ideas on his own, and that they are all valid?. No I did not believe what he said. I started doing research to find out. I read the Bible and research to find out were Easter came from. you should find out too.

No clue what you're talking about. I find the word and history of the holiday Easter about as interesting as eggnog -- i.e. not at all.

Morpheus
The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

Alot of the Bible rituals are Pagan rituals added by the Emperor Constentine to help the Pegans switch over from Peganism to Christianity.

The Truth is that Jesus Christ is from King David making Jesus a King.

Jesus was maried to Mary Magdalene who is from King Bengemin and the both had Children.

The Merovinian are decedents from Jesus Christ.

Morpheus: You've been living in a dream world, Neo.

DaVinci wrote:

Morpheus The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. Neo: What truth? Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind. Alot of the Bible rituals are Pagan rituals added by the Emperor Constentine to help the Pegans switch over from Peganism to Christianity. The Truth is that Jesus Christ is from King David making Jesus a King. Jesus was maried to Mary Magdalene who is from King Bengemin and the both had Children. The Merovinian are decedents from Jesus Christ. Morpheus: You've been living in a dream world, Neo.

LOL ok, at this point, YOU are the one living in a dream world, Vinci. You're delusionally under the impression that your arguments are so terribly credible.

While your handle is DaVinci, don't expect anyone to think you've done a thing but believe every word Dan Brown has said. Believe me when I tell you that your mentor is off-point on even trivial things, like Constantine's motives for spreading Christianity.

Discuss it with someone else -- everything you say bores me at this point.

DaVinci : I suggest you watch the folowing documentaries :

Beyond the DaVinci Code
The Real DaVinci Code
The God Who wasnt there

perhaps you will reconsider some stuff...

Also check some other topics here that describe the Matrix as it was probably intended (which was not according to christianity or the davinci code).

The Therion wrote:

DaVinci : I suggest you watch the folowing documentaries : Beyond the DaVinci Code The Real DaVinci Code The God Who wasnt there perhaps you will reconsider some stuff... Also check some other topics here that describe the Matrix as it was probably intended (which was not according to christianity or the davinci code).

Ther-man, I'm assuming you're not addressing Marsoullis here....
EDIT: Nevermind, didn't see Vinci's name at the top there

Marsoullis wrote:

DaVinci wrote: Morpheus The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. Neo: What truth? Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind. Alot of the Bible rituals are Pagan rituals added by the Emperor Constentine to help the Pegans switch over from Peganism to Christianity. The Truth is that Jesus Christ is from King David making Jesus a King. Jesus was maried to Mary Magdalene who is from King Bengemin and the both had Children. The Merovinian are decedents from Jesus Christ. Morpheus: You've been living in a dream world, Neo. LOL ok, at this point, YOU are the one living in a dream world, Vinci. You're delusionally under the impression that your arguments are so terribly credible. While your handle is DaVinci, don't expect anyone to think you've done a thing but believe every word Dan Brown has said. Believe me when I tell you that your mentor is off-point on even trivial things, like Constantine's motives for spreading Christianity. Discuss it with someone else -- everything you say bores me at this point.

This are not Dan Browns Ideas he took from many books this is why he is being sued.

This is why this stories are done in an allegorical style so not to offend Christians.

Leonardo Da Vinci is not the only painter to paint a women in the Last Supper.

The Holy Trinity originates before Christianity it is Pagan.

Easter originates before Christianity it is Paga.

The Flooding of the earth originates before Christianity it is Paga.

Many ans many more of this Pagan rituals were incorporated into the Holy Bible and are also sequences in The Matrix.

DaVinci wrote:

This are not Dan Browns Ideas he took from many books this is why he is being sued. This is why this stories are done in an allegorical style so not to offend Christians. Leonardo Da Vinci is not the only painter to paint a women in the Last Supper. The Holy Trinity originates before Christianity it is Pagan. Easter originates before Christianity it is Paga. The Flooding of the earth originates before Christianity it is Paga. Many ans many more of this Pagan rituals were incorporated into the Holy Bible and are also sequences in The Matrix.

Ok, clicking on the "stop watching this conversation" button. Thanks for the insights, for what the good ones were worth, but start posting again when you're ready to drop Da Vinci conspiracies and talk about the matrix.

Marsoullis wrote:

DaVinci wrote: This are not Dan Browns Ideas he took from many books this is why he is being sued. This is why this stories are done in an allegorical style so not to offend Christians. Leonardo Da Vinci is not the only painter to paint a women in the Last Supper. The Holy Trinity originates before Christianity it is Pagan. Easter originates before Christianity it is Paga. The Flooding of the earth originates before Christianity it is Paga. Many ans many more of this Pagan rituals were incorporated into the Holy Bible and are also sequences in The Matrix. Ok, clicking on the "stop watching this conversation" button. Thanks for the insights, for what the good ones were worth, but start posting again when you're ready to drop Da Vinci conspiracies and talk about the matrix.

The Davinci Code only said that" Easter was not of Christian origin"

I did all the research and found the origin of Easter and found out that the word Easter comes from the Female God of Fertility named Eostre. and how the female God of Fertility was later changer to the most fertile aminal the Rabbit.

The matrix is also asking you to look it up "Follow the white Rabbit".

To me the main destroyer of interest in anything is the overuse or over-dependent need of something to justify another.

No one's saying that there isn't ANY Christian/Catholic/Religious imagery in the Matrix Triology. WHat folks are trying to convey is that the intentionally conveyed sole connection of said relgious influence to the Matrix isn't accurate. Complicating things is the 'over-referencing' of a fictional book with factual material.

I also think it's time to either conclude the Christian chapter of analysis or to come back to it after equal time is spent on the other 'PHILOSOPHICAL' influences within the movies - that way you build and retain more credibility. Not that a SUpple bank of information hasn't been conveyed, just over-conveyed. This is understandable as humans tend to relate current realities with their subjects of interest.

The matrix goes beyond reflections of fictious work. It goes beyond literary intellectual masterpieces. It goes beyond topically evident correlations. It is both a commentary and a rap on human society as it was perceived in the mid to late '90's and where global society and civilization is headed. It is the visual recognition of where the self ( in terms of species - not necessarily accountability or responsibility) exists in this reality and how this self interprets and therefore creates this reality.
How we get to this sum is not as inportant as the sum itself - thus CHristianity, though playing it's role, is not the sole influence or intended main influencer of the allusions in this Triology.

We all know that Neo represent Jesus but who
does Morpheus represent in the Bible?

Somehow i think that even if the Wachowsky brothers told you (DaVinci) that it wasnt as you say, ...you would continue to believe it...

The Therion wrote:

Somehow i think that even if the Wachowsky brothers told you (DaVinci) that it wasnt as you say, ...you would continue to believe it...

Matrix-Explained

I thought you guys wanted to know.

It is hard to believe a new idea if you are raised to believe in the Easter Rabbit.

It is scary if you are told that Santa Clause does not exist. Your whole world would become undone and then you find yourself waking up in a cacoon filled with pink jello and you say to your self-well...how did I get here?
Letting the days go by let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by water flowing underground
Into the blue again after the money’s gone
Once in a lifetime water flowing underground.

And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!

Luckily, i wasnt raised to believe anything in particular so i keep an open mind. but open to ideas that make sense and are backe up. Not just any idea that someone believes but cant argue about.

I think this is why people dont pay attention to what you post here...

The Therion wrote:

Luckily, i wasnt raised to believe anything in particular so i keep an open mind. but open to ideas that make sense and are backe up. Not just any idea that someone believes but cant argue about. I think this is why people dont pay attention to what you post here...

Witch one of my Ideas have holes in it?
So that I can prove my point.

One idea at a time so that we don't get confused.

Don't tell me you don't buy the Saint Peter Rescue.
The Plot is Identical.

When Jesus ask Saint Peter to follow him Saint Peter can't believe that he is walking on water and Peter starts to sink and Jesus reach out to Peter a says Oh you have poor faith.

Morpheos starts running through the water and Morpheos gets shoot on the leg. Neo notice that he is sinking and is not going to make it. So Neo Jumps out to catch him. Maybe Morpheos did not have Faith in Neo.

DaVinci wrote:

There are two worlds the REAL world and WONDERLAND

And how about the third world,... the world of light?

DaVinci wrote:

Neo is Jesus Trinity is Jesus wife

I don't see any,... correlation at all, except for the fact that they love each other.
Without Trinity, Neo would NOT have become the One; he would NOT have made it to the door of light, and he would NOT have made it to the machine city.
Do you have any sources that establish a similar relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene?

How about the order of their deaths?
How about their kid? -> Is the Merovingian Neo's and Trinity's kid?
And in what light is the Merovingian, the "descendent of Jesus" represented in the Matrix movies?...

DaVinci wrote:

Morpheus is Saint Peter because he was walking on water before Neo saved him

Even though this is a nice correlation, does it make Morpheus St. Peter through and through?
As far as I know, St. Peter was "called" by Jesus to be an Apostel -> "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."
Can the same be said about Neo and Morpheus?

DaVinci wrote:

Maybe Morpheos did not have Faith in Neo...

He blindly believed in Neo! He had been ready to sacrifice his life for him! And, even though hurt, he didn't hesitate for a second to jump for the helicopter.

DaVinci wrote:

In the REAL World Neo is a MAN In Wonderland(Matrix) he is a GOD

By no means! How often do we hear him say: "I don't know" inside the Matrix?

DaVinci wrote:

The Roman Emperor Made him a GOD to control you It is a prison for your mind design to control you

How about the prophecy is a representation of how (every!) religion and believe can be a dogmatic dead end (as in the 5 Ones before Neo); or they can be the start of the path towards true knowledge (as in Neo) -> know thyself...

DaVinci wrote:

The name Anderson mean the Son of Andrew and Adrew means Man so he is "The Son of Man" not GOD

Yep,... and the son of man becomes God,... not inside the Matrix, made by the machines,... but in the end of Revolutions, when we see him on a lotus glowing in formless light -> KNOW THYSELF...

DaVinci wrote:

What part of The Matrix would you like to start debating about?

How about the Neodämmerung and Navras lyrics:

Don Davis music.ign.com...:
So I asked them (the Wachowski brothers) if they would look for something in literature that represented some of the ideological themes that had influenced them when they were writing The Matrix that we could give to the choir and have them sing (...) They eventually came up with about six passages from the Vedic scriptures called the Upanishads. And we had them sing it in the original Sanskrit:
dondavis.filmmusic.com...

DaVinci, you shoulnd't reduce the Matrix trilogy to just one approach, and Neo certainly not only to Christ, no matter in what light he may shine. Proof of countless other aspects is way too obvious, as you can see from the above quote.

So, what is the Matrix?

Ken Wilber once said:
When you find a few essential items that all, or virtually all, of the world’s great religions agree on, you have probably found something incredibly important about the human condition...
beliefnet.com...

Add to the world's great religions the worlds great philosophies, and you have what the Matrix trilogy - to my understanding - is trying to express: the human condition and its true nature (-> potential); and mankinds different approaches to its underlying potential...

-> from delusion lead me to truth (Neodämmerung lyrics)

Christ is one approach; Buddha is another; and so are the Hindu trimurti. The symbolism in the Matrix trilogy hints at aspects of (at least) all of these three being represented in Neo (-> bed of snakes, lotus, cross...)

And if you believe that there is not possibly any "intersection" to these very different religions, let me throw in Smith, in whom darkness and destruction accumulate, directly proportional to Neo's growth, until Neo finally understands how he must be overcome:
To Christians Smith may represent sin. To Buddhists he may represent the self. To Hindus he may represent the ego, or lower self (of course, this is oversimplifying things...)
But what is the ground of sin? The apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil -> attributes, opposites. Only an individual, an "I"-consciousness can think in attributes (-> Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked).
And that - the "I" - is where, to my understanding, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism can meet in their definition of the basic problem of mankind. And, based on this common ground, even if expressed differently, all three religions seek salvation by the same path,... selflessness,.... again, expressed differently.
Smith's end and Neo's sacrifice is one hell of a scene to metaphorically express these (not only,.... what say you, Intell?) three concepts in one moment.