»Why is Trinity "Tri"nity?«

It is interesting that there are talks about Hades, Kronos, Jesus...

But the main female character with the most prominent name "Trinity" gets no attention.

Has anybody any ideas what "unity of three" Trinity is?
Zion+Matrix+Realworld?
Good girl+Bad girl+Mother?
Human+Software+Spy from the real world?

one+one+one is three, got to be good looking cuz he's so hard to see...


man+woman+machine
man+woman+androgyne
mother+father+son/daughter
man+machine+android
architect+neo+trinity

if it isn't already, this should be a vote

if so, i'm voting that trinity is called trinity because of her 'third' nipple

Well, my first thought was: " well, trinity is just a nice name " , but now I'm convinced that this is not the Wachowski way...

Many of you know that the trinity means the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the 3 in 1...

More than this I can't imagine...

In ancient mythology, Persephone had a companion in the Underworld, whose name escapes me at the moment... well anyhow this companion was female and she was said to have 3 heads... Im gonna find out it's damn name and post it here tomorrow, unless anyone out there beats me to it.....

Another Smith wrote:

In ancient mythology, Persephone had a companion in the Underworld, whose name escapes me at the moment... well anyhow this companion was female and she was said to have 3 heads... Im gonna find out it's damn name and post it here tomorrow, unless anyone out there beats me to it.....

The dog was named Kerberos , he was the guardian from the gates of hell

But , as I know, Kerberos was a 3-headed dog

firekeeper wrote:

But , as I know, Kerberos was a 3-headed dog

The companion of Persephone I was thinking of was HECATE.
Originally she was venerated by women, she was powerful in Heaven, Earth and the Underworld and companion of Persephone. Her image was worshipped at crossroads where she was portrayed with THREE heads or THREE bodies.

hm... never heard of it... I will search for information...

I believe Trinity had to replace 3 people from the Vigilant crew after they we're killed, so Soren+Vector+Binary (i think) but i think there's more to it than this

Trinity was the name of an atomic bomb

There are loads of important 'trinities'... 'Three captains, Three ships...' ...Neo 'dies' Three times.... there are always Three agents.... There are 3 Matrix films (not counting the Animatrix, which is not a film so much as a collection of animated short films, and anyway does not fit the storyline of the Matrix Trilogy)...

Now, there are 3 in any trilogy, obviously. But what makes the trilogy such a perfect vehicle for mythic storytelling? Most modern myths use the same symbolic language as the myths of antiquity; that's how we can compare them. But the old myths used this language to convey dual meanings. I have always believed that the Wachowskis are somewhat 'enlightened,' and that they used the symbolic language the way it used to be used, pregnant with meaning -- and not like Tolkien and G.Lucas, who use the same language as a means to tell an engaging and beautiful story, but the meanings formerly hidden within are absent.

The Trilogy is the perfect model of the initiation allegory. Campbell's 'monomyth' is in reality this selfsame initiation allegory, and the Hero's Journey is the template. The story of Osiris-Dionysos is a clear initiation allegory. Dante's Divine Comedy is an initiation allegory. And, of course, the story of Neo also follows the plot of an initiation allegory.

The initiation of the soul in the Mysteries takes place in three parts: Purification, Preparation, and a third which could be called 'enlightenment,' or 'Gnosis,' or any of a dozen or more terms that all basically mean, 'experiential knowledge of the Truth of the Mystery.' In Campbell's Hero's Journey, he calls it Departure, Initiation, and Return. We see the pattern in all sorts of things, even in Birth, Life, and Death. Baptism, Death, and Resurrection. Neo dies three times; compare the consequences each time to the steps of initiation.

Three is also a sacred and strong number; the strongest 2-dimensional figure is a triangle. Many of the strongest structural buildings employ triangles. ...The Trinity of Father, Son and Spirit is a figure of strength for Christians. The Trinity of Mystery, Logos, and Wisdom is the same, for Gnostics (and corresponds exactly to the Literalist Christian Trinity, I might add). I could go on and on....

So what is our 'Trinity,' then? She could be as others have pointed out; indeed, she could be all of these. Or she could signify something we haven't yet thought of. Then again, it could just be a cool name for a hot, butt-kickin' chick in black leather.

I think it refers slightly to her characteristics and also to the people around her.

Warrioress/woman/lover
Morpheus (Father)/Neo (son)/Ghost (Holy Ghost)

She shows three definate sides to her personality and she connects three of the most men in the Real World. Just my thoughts on the matter.

annaerullo wrote:

There are loads of important 'trinities'... 'Three captains, Three ships...' ...Neo 'dies' Three times.... there are always Three agents.... There are 3 Matrix films (not counting the Animatrix, which is not a film so much as a collection of animated short films, and anyway does not fit the storyline of the Matrix Trilogy)...

What do you mean Neo dies 3 times? It's not 100% confirmed he actually died at all... lol

But I think I know what 2 supposed deaths you mean.. the hallway, and smith's absorbtion of him in Revolutions. When does he die the third time (If you think he dies at all... )

July wrote:

annaerullo wrote: ...Neo 'dies' Three times.... ... What do you mean Neo dies 3 times? It's not 100% confirmed he actually died at all... lol But I think I know what 2 supposed deaths you mean.. the hallway, and smith's absorbtion of him in Revolutions. When does he die the third time (If you think he dies at all... )

don't say till you've thought it through... Even though it is said he's 'in a coma,' the Oracle clearly states that he 'should have died' when Neo touched the source (by stopping the sentinels). He wasn't ready for it, but if he had not separated his mind from his body and landed himself in the train station, he WOULD have died. There's your third 'death.'

This is why I put 'died' in quotes. Neo 'dies,' in one way or another, at the end of each of the three movies. Death and rebirth are inextricable; and so, when Neo dies in the hallway, he is reborn as the One... when Neo dies in the tunnels of the real after stopping four sentinels by thinking it, he is reborn in Mobil Ave... when Neo dies by letting Smith overtake him, and letting the Source destroy Smith, thereby destroying Neo as well, he will thus probably be reborn, in one way or another -- the Oracle intimates as much when she tells Sati, 'I suspect so,' when Sati asks if they'd see him again.

Trinity had 3 purposes to fufill the prophecy.

She convinces Neo to leave the Matrix.

She is Neo's choice of failure as designed in Reloaded.

She is Neo's connection to humanity.

I think reloaded could have been interesting if Trinity died in reloaded and Neo truned on the humans joining the machines as their dark general. Then in Revolutions Morpheus, the Oracle, and Nirobe convince Smith, after catching him earlier in some sort of mirrored box program, to overload part of the Matrix by copying into other cpu agents as a way of drawing Neo into a war. Then the human's launched an all out offensive on 01 while Smith was stessing its power by overloading the Matrix. There could be a big war zone style battle in 01 and Smith would have the final winning battle against Neo when they finally cancel each other out.

annaerullo wrote:

July wrote: annaerullo wrote: ...Neo 'dies' Three times.... ... What do you mean Neo dies 3 times? It's not 100% confirmed he actually died at all... lol But I think I know what 2 supposed deaths you mean.. the hallway, and smith's absorbtion of him in Revolutions. When does he die the third time (If you think he dies at all... ) don't say till you've thought it through... Even though it is said he's 'in a coma,' the Oracle clearly states that he 'should have died' when Neo touched the source (by stopping the sentinels). He wasn't ready for it, but if he had not separated his mind from his body and landed himself in the train station, he WOULD have died. There's your third 'death.' This is why I put 'died' in quotes. Neo 'dies,' in one way or another, at the end of each of the three movies. Death and rebirth are inextricable; and so, when Neo dies in the hallway, he is reborn as the One... when Neo dies in the tunnels of the real after stopping four sentinels by thinking it, he is reborn in Mobil Ave... when Neo dies by letting Smith overtake him, and letting the Source destroy Smith, thereby destroying Neo as well, he will thus probably be reborn, in one way or another -- the Oracle intimates as much when she tells Sati, 'I suspect so,' when Sati asks if they'd see him again.

<--- this was directed at the fact some people people he didn't die at all (when he's carried off at the end)

I'd never do that to a member of the site

er.. some people think is what i meant.. no sleep = bad

Trinity = Holy Trinity = Father (Morpheus), Son (Neo), Holy Spirit (Trinity herself)


Anyone?

I agree with Sylens.
Trinity's name is made to make the viewer focus on the Christian interpretation of the movies.
She is the Holy Spirit, the "force" that empowers Neo to do, what he does (love?).

There ya go. The reasoning behind assigning her Holy Spirit duty eluded me. Thanks.

From WikiPedia:

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According to the teachings of orthodox Christianity, the three persons of the Holy Trinity are said to share one Divine Nature, thus preserving their belief in one God.

With this in mind, I would say Trinity is made up of three like-minded people sharing the same effort such as discussed earlier: Morpheus+Neo+Trinity as they share the same need to overtake the machines. (But then, this is only encompassing the three main characters. There are, in fact many more with the same goal. It could also be Neo/Trinity as the lovers + Zion as Earth/heaven/goodness + Matrix/Machines as enemy or a number of other combinations to that effect.)

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Some feminist theologians refer to the persons of the Holy Trinity with more gender-neutral language, such as Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer (or Sanctifier).

Now from this view, I could theorize Trinity as Creator:She was the first to contact Neo and while she only 'helped Morpheus' in freeing him, she was Neo's first contact with outside the Matrix, sustaining his initial doubt; Redeemer: hmmm....that's a tough one? not sure I can wrap my brain around that one...perhaps she is his redeemer when he dies, she kisses him, and he is brought back in M1?; Sustainer: Through her love, she sustains Neo to 'find himself' so to speak.

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So, in the trinitarian view, the common conception is a profoundly mistaken one, which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is the God of the New, and alone is God.

Trinity in this context could be referring to Life in Matrix+ Life in Zion + The Truth of it all. Or The Old Earth + The Matrix/New Earth + Humans. I could also see the Thomas Anderson + Neo +The One reference here also. But those don't really appeal to me as SHE is Trinity and so shouldnt she be included in the Trinity explanation?

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In Hinduism, the Trimurti (also called the Hindu trinity) are three aspects of God in His forms as Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Brahma - the Creator Vishnu - the Maintainer Shiva - the Destroyer

This leads me back a bit to the first insert. Creator + Maintainer + Destroyer = Architect + Matrix + Neo ? or Morpheus + Trinity + Neo again ? or Trinity as all of these...Creator as discussed above + Maintainer as she maintains Neo with her love for him and strength + Destroyer as she ultimately makes him choose the left door ?

bugga bugga! I have wracked my brain for the night. This certainly gives me something to think on. I will say I am leaning toward the last explaination mentioned as the main concept of her name.

Regarding the hinduistic interpretation...

It should be pretty obvious, that Neo represents Vishnu (The Protector), but I believe, that the role of Lord Brahma is given to the Oracle/the Architect (the creators of the Matrix) and finally Shiva is represented by Smith. The important part about Shiva in hinduism is, that Shiva is the Destroyer AND the recreater of worlds. (The destructive needs in humans spawns creativity?)

This is supported by the fact, that Rama Kandra (the Indian dude in the Merovingians restaurant and on Mobil Ave.) is the name of the seventh incarnation of Vishnu, and since Neo is the sixth anomali (and therefore a representation of the sixth incarnation of Vishnu?) in the Matrix the connection to hinduism pretty obvoius. Furthermore according to hindu mythologi during a fight between Shiva and (the sixth) Vishnu, Shiva slays Vishnu by penetrating Vishnu's chest with his one arm. Lord Brahma sees this, and creates a new world from the chaos in the fight.
A pretty obvoius link to the final showdown between Smith and Neo, where the machines recreates the Matrix, thanks to Neo's sacrifice...

So I think, that the theory on hinduism should be applied to machines-Neo-Smith instead of Morpheus-Neo-Trinity...

The problem with any religious interpretations seems to be this:

The Deus Ex Machina


He's not like Jehova, he's not like Allah, he's not like Brahman, he's not like the transcendant form (is that the right term?) of Buddha.

Anyone want to contest me on this?

Nothing points at Trinity having to do with "a group of three".

Trinity is simply the name of the
Trinity Atom Bomb

In other words: It's Trinity's computer hacker name she chose because she's so explosive.

Wachowskis just tried to confuse you all... But I cannot be fooled anymore .... Muahahahar