»THE MATRIX CRACKED YET AGAIN«

at the end of the first movie you will see that smith is destroyed,
smith flies in all different directions.
people may believe that all these particles will make smith turn to the many.

but agent smith starts out as only one person in the beginning of reloaded.

and why doesnt neo just jump into smith again to destroy him?

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

at the end of the first movie you will see that smith is destroyed, smith flies in all different directions. people may believe that all these particles will make smith turn to the many.

You mean like Fantasia, with the broom

i dont know dee.
but you are starting to think, thats a good start.

what i am saying is..

neo blew smith into lots of peices,this symbolises destruction of smith.
why is there a smith in m2 and why is there only one of him at the start?

rrr good question i just saw it as he was colected back up by the system and was being sent to the source but he disobed..

but you will find that doesnt make any sense.
that is what happened, but it dont sound right.

keep it up

yes but when agents are killed the person is killed not the agent

but you can see that smith can feel the pain.
he screams on his destuction
and he goes kaboom.

you do have a point tho

but why do the other 2 agents run from neo.
when all they could have done is try and kill him?

agents are fearless, but these ones run

i believe that neo had totally destroyed smith.

thats my guess

are agents deleted when they failed to stop a hacker

Smith was defeated.


They needed a villian for the sequels, however.

It is called Hollywood.


Duh.

You should read the (original) scripts to which there are now links on this forum.

In the script it is said that Smith's particles are absorbed by the system.

In the early script for M2 Smith was rebuild by the system itself and he was even allowed to copy himself to multiple hosts.

So the main issue here is: Smith, being 'illegal' or not, is a natural reaction of the system against Neo; Smith is wanted!

In the script you can also read that agent Jones and Brown experience fear for the first time. That's why they run away.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

at the end of the first movie you will see that smith is destroyed smith flies in all different directions.

Smith avatar is destroyed. Agents are programs, are presented with avatars of FBI-agents. The only fact you can draw from that scene is that the avatar flies in all different direction.

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pople may believe that all these particles will make smith turn to the many

Not everyone does, perhaps some do, but only for those that do you would need to explain :

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but agent smith starts out as only one person in the beginning of reloaded.

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and why doesnt neo just jump into smith again to destroy him?

Because the other time it didn't work (he is not destroyed/deleted), as a matter fact, the outcome was something you wouldn't want to repeat I think ...

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

In the early script for M2 Smith was rebuild by the system itself and he was even allowed to copy himself to multiple hosts.

As long as there is no official release of that script (the others in the scripts-thread are), the Gregory script should not be considered as an 'early script'.

Yeah well it's from the Wachowski's alright, that's all what matters.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Yeah well it's from the Wachowski's alright.

Well, not officially ...

The complete 1997-draft and parts of the 1996-draft (examples of changes that were made...) are included in the offcial book 'The Art of the Matrix'.

The Gregory-script only has 'by the Wachowski brothers' on top of it, and that is hardly anything official. But I have to admit, if it is fake, it's a real good job done (at probably a lot of effort went into it)

(fyi, before reloaded, and between the sequels, many other 'scripts' were floating the internet, and they were also looking like a real script)


Until 'The Art of the Matrix Reloaded' and 'The Art of the Matrix Revolutions' come out (if ever) and if the Gregory is recognised as genuine, I consider it as un-official.

And if it does happen to be official and by the brothers, they sure as hell fooled everyone with that script/draft, since it is totally different version (ie Holywood version) of what was used to direct Reloaded.

I don't know if this was said, sorry. But it never says there was onbly one smith at the begginning of reloaded.

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First One stated that Smith started out as one person in Reloaded, however, the first substantial scene involving Smith shows him talking to another "version". Obviously we don't see the other Smith as he is knocking on the door asking for Neo, but I think the other "version" is still there. As far as Smith exploding and showing pain at the end of film 1, I don't think it was pain, it was rage. Smith appeared to be the only emotional Agent in Matrix 1, which sort of foreshadowed his expanded role in the next 2 films. Smith was enraged that this human could destroy him, that he was being fought and beaten by such a low creature. As previously stated by someone else, Smith was returned to the source and was re-written. At this point he was a fragmented program, and as the Source re-wrote him, pieces of Neo were written into him as well, further enraging him, yet filling him with purpose. As we saw in all the films, after an Agent takes over a host body, the body dies and the Agent takes over another body. It was common practice until Smith, that's where upgrades were created. When Smith was "destroyed" at the end of film 1, the other Agents ran out of fear of being deleted due to being inferior programs no longer capable of performing their programmed function. It was stated in Reloaded that some programs chose exile over deletion, this was their only fear. I know I rambled a bit, but just wanted to share my opinion with you....[/img]

Your arguments make alot of sense Sentinel 3.0.

They are very close to mine.

But I think that Smith never returned to the Source. The system itself, the Matrix, wanted him though. The Source had nothing to do with it, it was the equation trying to balance itself out.

My best bet is that he was wondering around like a ghost in the agent network. When they build the new upgraded agents, the agent network was upgraded/refreshed too and they kicked Smith out of it. It was only then when he started copying himself: that's why Neo meets the upgraded agents for the first time and Smith has only a few clones at the beginning of M2. It's all part of a plan, a meisure of control which starts at the same time as the diggers going for Zion.

You saying my argument made sense is, indeed, quite a compliment considering the source! I have read many of your posts with great interest. You are, to coin a phrase from the hip-hop world "mad smart". And I would have to say that you gave me a point of view I hadn't thought of before when you mentioned it all being another measure of control issue. What amazes me about these movies is that they are so deep on so many levels, that we could sit here and talk for years and still have these interesting questions and debates. It's almost like the very idea and telling of the Matrix is, in effect, it's own code to be deciphered, broken down, and maybe never fully understood. An analogy would be that our minds are like the image translators on the hovercrafts that the operators use. The Matrix is too complicated to get a clear picture, you just have to look at it and make out of it whatever you can. Some things you see, some things you don't.

Thanks for your kind appreciation!

That's a nice symbolization of the Matrix feed you have there. I never thought of it in that way and it again makes sense!

Maybe the forum can be saved after all

i think it is a good point that you brought up.
the point about the script that was never used.

the way i see it is.

why do they leave the part out that smith got assimilated by the system?
if they were going to make a trilogy, then wouldnt they have left that part in?

the true sense of it is, is that these questions lead towards the destruction of smith in m1.

if deus ex machina was so powerful,
wouldnt he of just destroyed the person who was harbouring smith. the plugged in parties.

just remember about the opposites thing.
neo is for the destruction of the system= the matrix
smith is trying to stop neo doing this in m1.
these are opposites.

but in m2 and m3
neo = not the destuction of the matrix, and peace
smith = the many and the destruction of everything

you will find that these movies are the opposite of each other.

why would neos role in the movie change?

it looks like neo is the opposite of who he was in m1
and smith is the opposite of what he was in m1

so in essence both of these characters have switched roles.
but still it doesnt seem to make sense.

in a sense they have changed roles, but not totaly

when you are a so called opposite, then you are an opposite in everyway.

m1
neo= anti rules,freedom,weakness, power, human
smith= fbi agent, law, power, weakness. machine

m2 and m3 are the opposites of m1.

m1= 1 movie
m2 and m3 = 2 movies.

m1 is trying to get you to search for the truth.
m2 and m3 are for the opposite.

why would the first movie stand out so differently than the last 2?
and what is their messages?

i am sorry to sound the way that i do.
but i am actually for this forum.
just not the m2 and m3 part of it

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when you are a so called opposite, then you are an opposite in everyway.

No you're not. Only if you have a black-white vision of things. The one that is presented in M1, and broadened in the sequels.

Opposites doesn't equal different.

Yin and yang are opposites, but they are intertwined : no yin without yang and vice versa.

Just because you find contradiction, that doesn't mean one is totally right, and the other is totally wrong. It even doesn't say anyone is wrong. Most of the time, it comes down to perspective, and changing perspective most of the time involves contradictions

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i am sorry to sound the way that i do.

Do you realize how it comes you sound the way you do, do you think you could help it to not sound that why, have you considered the option that you might help it to change the way you sound ?

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

why do they leave the part out that smith got assimilated by the system? if they were going to make a trilogy, then wouldnt they have left that part in?

Hmm, lets go back to the end of revolutions ... who get's assimilated by the system (with the aid of Neo) ? Hey, they didn't leave it out ...

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just remember about the opposites thing. neo is for the destruction of the system= the matrix smith is trying to stop neo doing this in m1. these are opposites.

They both want to be freed from the matrix.

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m1= 1 movie m2 and m3 = 2 movies.

Lol, on of the most idiotic arguments I've ever seen.

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m1 is trying to get you to search for the truth. m2 and m3 are for the opposite.

The ever-re-occuring hollow statement

but opposites do have to be different.
what is an opposite?
it is totaly different

the yin yang thing isnt right,
it sounds good in theory, but

these opposites are fighting each other.
thus there is nothing similar about them at all.

m2 and m3 = a double blow against m1

if only m1 was made you will find that you may still be sitting there wondering about its existence.
m2 and m3 = just a movie, and one that destroys the flawless first movie.

why would anyone want to stuff up the brilliant original movie?

i may sound stupid here but.
if agent smith was neos true opposite wouldnt he be a female.
just like the oracle and architect

ok.
oracle = black female..neo = white male,3 divine persons these 2 unbalance the equation..
architect= white male..smith = white male, but part of 3
these 4 balance the eqaution

is the eqaution balanced or unbalanced?
or is the eqaution non existent?

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

m2 and m3 = just a movie, and one that destroys the flawless first movie. why would anyone want to stuff up the brilliant original movie?

How many times have you asked this question up to now ? And when are you going to elaborate on HOW the sequels stuffed up/destroyed the first movie, beside telling they do?

What exaclty do they destroy (beside 'the truth', it would be helpfull to elaborate on the 'truth' of M1 too, 'cause you keep extremely vague about what truths M1 has) and how did they destroy it?

What and How ...