»THE MATRIX CRACKED AGAIN«

here is yet another crack.

at the end of the first movie, you will see neo on a phone talking to the machines.

neo says that he is going to hang up this phone, and show the people what the machines dont want them to see. a world without borders or boundaries{this means the real world}

he says were it goes from there is a choice i leave to you..

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neo is going to free the people from the matrix after he hangs up the phone.
when he says it is a choice i leave to you.
this means that he is not giving the machines a choice.
just like the machines didnt give people a choice by plugging them in..

i know this is difficult to understand,but it does make sense

so its the illoution of choice as explained by mero, neo has the power and machines without.

you are starting to understand..

since the beginning the machine boss has been in purgatory.

matrix = hell
zion = heaven
machine world = limbo, purgatory.

the machine god has always been awaiting his fate.

in essense.

i am saying that m2 and m3 are a lie.
these movies are a trick.
when all you need to do is figure out the first movie

y'ave lost me again lol

what i am saying is. is that the second 2 matrix movies are a trick.
someone wants people to believe them and try and figure them out

reloaded and revolutions lead nowhere.

when i said that there are no 6 ones.
where would the righthand door be leading to.

the architect would be trying to lead neo to certain doom.
but why would this be any different to the lefthand door?

there is no 2 doors, as choice involves more than 2 choices.
if i was neo i would tell the architect to stick it up his bum.

m2 and m3 are playing with peoples minds.
please give them up

put you energy into the first movie, it makes a lot more sense.

thankyou

yes because that movie had to make sense not only because of it might not of taken off but because if there was a sequal it would need a basis for it to stand on for all these twist and turns

if you can totally figure out m1, then you will find that it totally discredits what happens in m2 and m3.
it goes against it.

people might say that the wachowskis always intended to make a trilogy.
people might say that the second 2 movies were not made until after the first movies success.

which one is it?

in both cases the trilogy does not link

people have been put into a clever mindgame. and have been made to like it.

i dont know who made this game up, but it certainly robs people poor and keeps them guessing.

i have no problem with people trying to figure out the matrix. and i am not against this site.

but m2 and m3 are a waste of time.

i am sorry to say

ye thats what am trying to say M2 n m3 are like accessorys to the m1 they bearly make the m1 better.

Lets take it like this:

m1 is like an computer
m2 is a set of speakers, gd but not nessacery, and are no way better than the computer
m3 is a webcam, useful but again not nesscessary

Three things for you:


1. Your theories are not fact, so please stop speaking as oif they are.

2. Though The Matrix was always visualized as a trilogy, the storyline(s) in Reloaded and Revolutions were not fully conceptualized when The Matrix (1) was released. Therefore, some ideas may have changed. For insteance, when The Matrix was released, at this time the Bros. may have really wanted and planned to have Neo as being the actual true savior of Zion. Come Reloaded however, they prolly threw in a plot twist, this being Neo talking to the Arc. about previous "Ones" and Zion. In other words, these things were not planned out at first, so it is only natural that storylines might evolve.

3. Explain the 5 glasses on the Mero. table.

He's full of crap, THE_FIRST_ONE (and I hope the last of his kind )

No matter what you argue, M2 and M3 are a work of art. You could only wish that you could create such a story, such a world, such spiritual enrichment.

Eat it man, you either don't understand the movies yourself or you cannot appreciate a real work of art. Or maybe you are just jealous at the Wachowski's.

And BTW you got it all wrong...

Zion = (gates to) hell
Matrix = earth
Machine World = heaven

And as the Merovingian's organisation is somewhat a Zion for the exiled programs, he too is characterized as Lucifer; so he has his own construct: club Hel.

you dont seem to understand that what i said in the other post discresdits the trilogy.
i have proven that they are just one big mind game.
are you foolish enough not to see it?

and mobil.

why do you get angry with me?
why dont you believe me?
why do you defend something that you cant figure out?

do these questions make sense to you..

i recall something you said on another thread about there being a person that noone else believes or listens to, purely for the fact that they are not understood

Lol i know this is a joke for sure now!

Why did you not reply here THE_FIRST_ONE...?

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

why do you get angry with me? why dont you believe me? why do you defend something that you cant figure out? do these questions make sense to you..

Not in the least.

1) Whe says : People are not angry but get irritated for you stating your own interpretations and theories as facts, while the same time saying others are not. If you judge other people, do the same for you to.

2) I for one don't because of your arrogance explained in the previous question/anwer. And why don't you believe anyone else ?

3) No-one is ... try to explain (not defend) something you refuse to bother to figure out.

i was reading old posts, and i found this and it upset me...

The 7th Anomaly wrote:

Three things for you: 1. Your theories are not fact, so please stop speaking as oif they are.

any intellectual knows that u state something as a fact until it is proven wrong...u learn this when u write your first thesis paper people...so stop being gay and worry about proving it wrong

I have been sent here to END this arguement.

Original post =

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

"at the end of the first movie, you will see neo on a phone talking to the machines. neo says that he is going to hang up this phone, and show the people what the machines dont want them to see. a world without borders or boundaries{this means the real world} he says were it goes from there is a choice i leave to you.. "

This is where all of the arguements began, and consequently this is precisely where the incorrect information began.

T_F_O, you say in the OP "a world without borders or boundaries{this means the real world}", in this sentence you believe and build your theory on the premise that Neo was talking about "a world w/o borders or boundaries" and He was refering to Zion and the scorched Earth. This is 100% not true. We ALL know, from watching the second 2 films (hence their importance to the trilogy), that the "real world" does indeed has rules, controls, borders, and boundaries. Neo has experienced them first-hand in the first film. Neo realizes that once he is "freed" from the Matrix his life is still controlled by fate. Only difference is now he believes in fate. You could even say that he is less "free" once he is unplugged. He must stay onboard the Neb at all times, eat what and when everyone else eats, sleep when everyone else sleeps, and he is constantly being hunted by sentinels. Heck, He and Trinity never even have relations onboard the Neb.

Nothing is different in Zion either, he has a room, and most importantly a congregation that won't let him do what he wants even in "The last free city". What Neo discovered is that the "real world" effectly removed all of the perceived freedoms that he had when he was still plugged into the Matrix. And this is all obvious if you had your eyes and ears open while watching the first film.

So the point is then, "why at the end of the firt Matrix did Neo say to the architect (as seen in PON) that he was going to show these people... (you know the rest)"? Because obviously Neo didn't mean that he was going to unplug everyone from the Matrix, which would have been impossible. He was only going to show them that the limits of the world they lived in, whether they knew it or not, was only limited by their own minds. And HOW did Neo show those people that "anything is possible"? By doing exactly what he did when He hung up the phone. And anyone who saw him would have been changed forever.

So you see T_F_O, Neo only told the machines he was going to let the people see that anything is possible. He didn't say anything about machine control, or the war in Zion, or the Path of The One. He only showed them that they could have more with their lives inside the Matrix. So "the choice" Neo gave to the Machines was the choice to either call a truce and allow the ones that want out to be freed, or perhaps the choice was to shut the Matrix down (as Morpheus had hoped), or maybe the choice was to simply call off the sentinels and the war in the "real world" to keep Neo from opening (not freeing) people's minds. But what choice would they take, what changes were made? Hence the overwhelming importance of a second and third movie. Where we the viewers learn that Neo's phone conversation with the Architect was just another step in the thousands that was the Path of The One.

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So it is the understanding of Neo's words and intentions that threw you off T_F_O, but you did build a strong arguement. It was just built on a lack of understanding of a certain scene. I hope I helped.

Kozar

Guys the thread was dead, and I don't see a good reason to bring it up.

I'm not talking about you intell!
What would the forum be without you?

(It's written one line over your number of posts)

ummm...i was bitching at anamoly...sry, next time i'll just PM the guy...seeesh

How can the forum be dead when the original issue was never resolved. It's not like the person starting this forum is no longer here to read it. And is it really a problem to talk about old forums, is it hurting anyone?

Or are there some rules about talking on forums which no one has posted on for a certain number of days, if so let me know that magic number so I know in the future. Thanks

Kozar

"...and I don't see a good reason to bring it up."

Tsukasa didn't really add something new to the thread, so why bring it up?

I try to keep at the most recent posts list, topics that have something new to say.

Or other times I bring up threads because I want to hear your opinion.

But as I said Tsukasa really didn't add something. And neither asked for our opinion. I'm sure he would like to hear it, but that wasn't what he wanted.

Tsukasa wrote:

ummm...i was bitching at anamoly...

Come on!

But if you think I'm wrong, I won't talk again about something like this. It was a MOD advice, but I'm really here to serve you and the forum, so your opinion really matters.

Ok, I see it coming..

Kozar, in the future wrote:

But I added something to the topic

You wrote:

Kozar wrote:

We ALL know, from watching the second 2 films (hence their importance to the trilogy), that the "real world" does indeed has rules, controls, borders, and boundaries.

1) Do "we ALL know"? Because T_F_O doesn't.

2) "the second 2 films" Their information is not real. Remember?

3) "hence their importance to the trilogy" What trilogy? For T_F_O there is only one movie.

That's why I think that all the new posts didn't really add something.

Tsukasa was just "bitching"
while you were trying to prove to T_F_O something (s)he doesn't believe.

What do you want?

Peace

ok, 1) alot of u misunderstand T_F_O and for that i feel for the guy...
2) ...for the sake of my name, lets pretend i'm a girl
3)

The 7th Anomaly wrote:

1. Your theories are not fact, so please stop speaking as oif they are.

What i was saying is that any one who has ever written a thesis knows that u state something as fact until it's proven wrong! thats why the science community is so fucked up >_<

I don't understand these:

Tsukasa wrote:

ok, 1) alot of u misunderstand T_F_O and for that i feel for the guy... 2) ...for the sake of my name, lets pretend i'm a girl

But now I understand that:

Tsukasa wrote:

3) The 7th Anomaly wrote: 1. Your theories are not fact, so please stop speaking as oif they are. What i was saying is that any one who has ever written a thesis knows that u state something as fact until it's proven wrong! thats why the science community is so fucked up >_<