»THE MATRIX CRACKED{great theory}«

Whether the cabins can withstand great pressures, the persons inside still need to adjust the pressure _differences_

I think the sewers reach from broadcast depth to Zion

"zion is below the sewers.
a machine made zion."

... based on what ?

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zions near the earths core? cmon, you dont actually believe an anime over the first original movie, and i think that tank would know where zion is.

"near the earths core"= direct quote of Tank, not from anime (maybe to, but that doesn't matter) and off course Tank knows where Zion is, he is born there, I just stated that his quote can be interpreted very different, and maybe ... just maybe.... there is a slight possibility, but maybe your interpretation isn't the right one.

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straight down?

That is what you were referring to, to Thaddeus, so I used it...

the person or whomever who built zion obviously knew that the matrix had been built.
no person knew that it had been built, because they were put in the matrix.
thus a machine made zion.

the machine that made zion had the knowledge to build the jacking in points in the ships.
i dont think a man would know how to make sticks that can probe the mind.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

5 bent spoons with neo's reflection in them= 5 ones just like neo, and 5 failed ones.

I checked it. There are indeed 5 spoons on the floor with a reflection. But not all of the spoons clearly show us the reflection of Neo. I think that one of the reflections could even be from a cameraman or a soundman.

But, this still doesn't proof your theory.

Also, in the original script for M1, even in the final shooting-version, Cypher tells Neo that Morpheus had selected five previous candidates for being the One and that each of them was killed.

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there are no spoons = there are no previous ones. they dont exist and never have.

Yes they did. On the sci-fi level they were five 'bug-fixes' or 'patches' and on a philosophical level this is about reincarantion and the slow progress of spiritual growth.

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and why is everybody so open to believing the architect? remember that he designed a fake world for men to live in, a prison if you call it.

Can't you just understand that this is not about a lie. It's about free will and about 99% of the people staying rather ignorant and choosing to live in a 'save' and pre-programmed life.

If you look at Gnostic Christinanity then the Architect could indeed be the deceiver. He would be a sub-god who created the earth (Matrix) and he doesn't want the humans to wake up from it. But the world he created is materialistic and bound to rules; so even he has to obey to those rules and so he has to offer humanity a genuine choice out of free will.

Neo's choice at the Architect is the ultimate exposore of the Matrix's bug: implementation of free will --> "the problem is choice"

If the Architect would really lie, he would say: "common boy, walk on to that door if you want the war to end!"

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why would anyone believe such a character?

What about the Merovingian then? You simply ignore his statement about Neo's predeccesors and the five glasses on the table? Now come on don't ignore this one, counter argue it!

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cant you guys see that you have been put into a mindgame. your minds are not free whilst ever you are delving into it.

The movies ARE NOT REAL! The early scripts for M1 and M2 give us clues that the Wachowki's were struggling with the story themselves. In the end they came through with an EXPLICIT WORK OF ART.

AGAIN, sorry for the capitals but it is neccesary, THE MATRIX IS NOT REAL, THE MOVIES ARE A STORY WHICH CONTAINS PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES THAT COULD BE REAL.

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and why are you guys so in love with a movie that denotes slavery of humans?

There is another way to view this...

we started the war --> we burned the sky --> the world is hardly capable for the living anymore --> the machines still let us live in an acceptable and comfortable world (they even made it feel like heaven in the very beginning!)

So we treated the robots as slaves, we got our butts kicked with a war we started ourselves and even then the Machines don't squash us! They continue on to cope with humanity!

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

if you pause the movie while you see the spoons. look closely and you will see neos reflection in them.

The funny thing is, I did pause the movie, and in _none_ of the you see clearly 'Neo'.

Some of those spoons reflect something, although you need to look real close to see 'a' reflection. Not like the obvious (intended) reflection of Neo and the boy in the boon that gets bent (by both the boy and Neo)

In at least one of the spoons, you cannot see any clear reflection ...

So the basic starting argument for this crack in the matrix is imo even a discussion point, let alone the great theory itself. It's based on merely assumptions and fantasy of your mind.


And about a machine building Zion, that is probably right (possible proof from one of the designers of Zion, in some interview on the official site), that is irrelevant for the argument of the inconsistency you mention about the depth of Zion.

So a machine made it, the Zionist still need to live there, and the temperature at 5 km's depth is over 50 degrees Celsius, and the reason for that is not the sun, but the core of the earth producing the heath. (it was even interesting to look that up).

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and why am i almighty? is it because i am trying to get you to see truths?

It was sarcastic, because you present your interpretations of the film(s) as 'the' truth. While only the creators of the story can claim to know the truth.

well if there are no spoons there are no reflections, therefore no life, no one, no saviour no war no nothing! therethere fore your theory is incorrect

*Clockwork: It was sarcastic, because you present your interpretations of the film(s) as 'the' truth. While only the creators of the story can claim to know the truth.*

That is very true. No matter how interesting a theory may be, it can't be regarded as the true theory, and that's good.
It gives room for people to make their own interpretations, and that is really what keeps the movies interesting in my opinion. Had the Wachowskis just given us all the answers to everything in the trilogy, there would have been nothing left to talk about except, remember that scene, that was so cool.

Mobil, I don't appreciate the way that you initially attacked the author of this thread at the very beginning by using the word "bulls**t." You may not agree with the point of view being presented, but that never calls for a reaction like that.

Personally, I like to hear every viewpoint, ESPECIALLY ones I've never heard before. I may not end up agreeing with them, but every new idea that's outside the box helps me to expand my mind and think of new possibilities. Any progression I've ever made in my continuing journey to enlightenment has come about because of allowing every possibility to wash over and through me and have its time. Even ideas that I don't keep have a way of helping me to maintain an open mind. I believe that's the spirit of the movies, that everything has the possibility of freeing your mind.

I would like to thank THE_FIRST_ONE for presenting this idea. Rather than dismissing it offhand, I'm going to let it stew in my brain for a while so I can digest it. Sometimes you DO have to let go of entire structures on your path to the truth. Morpheus learned that the hard way. It left him in shock. But we have to be prepared to do that. So don't attack new ideas. Give them some time. If you don't agree with them, then simply state your reason and move on. There's no need for profanity.

While it was very interesting 'theory', the basis for it is nihil, since there are no distinct reflection on the spoons, none what so ever... this together with the presentation of the thread/post (to 'proove' the point that the sequels are a 'lie'), gave me the same feeling : bullsh*t.

While I wouldn't 'attack' TFO like Mobil did, he has a point about it being bullsh*t.

bout ta make me go watch it again.. hell naw im tired dat movie.. wore it out lol

Feral Boy wrote:

Mobil, I don't appreciate the way that you initially attacked the author of this thread at the very beginning by using the word "bulls**t." You may not agree with the point of view being presented, but that never calls for a reaction like that.

I usually am very tactfull against people, but I had been discussing longer with THE_FIRST_ONE and most of his theories, with all the fantasy in the world, don't make sense. Alot of other people have agreed on this too, so if such a person continues with these 'fantasy without solid arguments'-theories, then I will use the word "bullshit" if I please too.

I hope for his sake that he is on a vacation, because he hasn't replied for weeks now on my post with counter arguments (a few posts above). So I guess I scared him away.

For the future I would advise you to also study other posts that people made before you judge others on judging them. Thanks!

what a bloody stupid theory - how can anyone attatch so much importance so such an insignificant part of the movie that is the kid bending the spoons?

he's a potential one for a start - just like neo at that stage - is it possible he just liked to bend spoons all day? and 5 spoons on the floor? hmm - yeah well once he's bent one he can't really bend it again can he? he'd get a new one.

but taking apart such a pointless part of the movie is a waste of all our time! move on!

But it is kind of cool that there is five spoons on the floor, indicating that there have been five previous Ones. And I think, because of the spoons and that we see through the Architects screens into the interrogation room, that the Wachowskis had planned to make a trilogy from the beginning. Sorry for going off track a little bit.

Well they did plan a trilogy, but not with the One's 'reincarnation'. That was added later.

In the original script there were five previous candidates that Morpheus selected, but they all died.

Ok. Could it be that they had planned to use the 5 spoons as an indicator that there had been 5 candidates that died, and then, when they decided to go with the reincarnation idea in reloaded instead, have 5 Ones before Neo so that it still fit in with the 5 spoons on the floor?

It's really fun reading some of the other versions of the script, some are really quite different from what we finally ended up with.

yipman wrote:

Ok. Could it be that they had planned to use the 5 spoons as an indicator that there had been 5 candidates that died, and then, when they decided to go with the reincarnation idea in reloaded instead, have 5 Ones before Neo so that it still fit in with the 5 spoons on the floor?

Indeed

though not new to this site, i admit i haven't posted here that much. WHY? to be honest, when i first joined it was a fix while the MXO boards were upgraded yet again and some of us were in limbo (inev, N-tell). I chose not to contribute too much because there was a veteran base here who were WAY TOO set in their ASSUMED superiorities.
Coming from MXO, many know me there as a Champion for Civility. Since UBI bit the bullet, i'd furthered the ideals of civility. WHY? Because at the time, there was a Noxious pool of flamers and disrespectful posters. There was no chance at Discussions due to these manipulators of presence. My crusade started out with much resistance but perseverance and like-minded individuals fueled the firestorm of change. The improbable was achieved - a balance between civility and reality.
Why do humans rebel against civility? Because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Once you've got a taste of it, it's extremely difficult to tow the line of justice and fairness. This all relates to the very simple point expressed by others in this thread:

Ideas and opinions are an entitlement in this society, in this country. The proof of civilization (as we claim to have achieved) is behaving as CIVIL beings.

This is a hypocracy in our society - a society that chooses war over diplomacy at the first sign of not getting our way. If we're ever to achieve peace, it has to start with each and every individual. Just like the recycling commercials of the '90's - where you hear, at first one person saying, "How can i make a difference? I'm just one person. One person can't change the world ...." and then by the end of the commercial there's 50 people saying the same thing.
this highlights 2 flaws in the human psyche:

1- Self-fulfilling prophecies. If we keep telling ourselves we can't do something, it becomes ingraine din our psyche and soon our psyche starts to believe it. Hence we dictate our own failure without trying first.

2 - That as a group or whole, humans can achieve anything they decide to. That together, we're unstoppable (you only need to look at post 9/11 in New York to learn that lesson).

As humans we have choices. We either take the easy ways out and fall victim to the same hang-ups of our parents and predecessors. OR we decide to do the rigth thing and carve out/change the course of our path for the better. Either way WE have the power to accomplish anything we put our minds to. In the end it comes down to HAVING THE COURAGE AND FAITH TO PURSUE WHAT'S RIGHT.


I ask, " How many of us have the courage to listen and consider our fellow humans before we judge and condemn?"

Of course maturity always playes a role in how "OPEN-MINDED" we are. and some Humans spend their entire lives stuck in an adolescent frame of mind - clinging to our own selfish agendas.

Peace to all proponents of a CIVIL society.

let me start of with let me expressing how intelligent matrix fans are.
i seriously do think this way, and i donot consider anybody to be an idiot..

now to the theory.

i know that the reflections in the spoons are not clear.
but in some of them it looks like neo with sunglasses on.
now, in the movie neo isnt wearing glasses at this present time. so i gather that they stand for neo as the one.
my take on this is, is that the previous ones had failed. that is my opinion on why the spoons are bent.
but the kid says that there is no spoon. so i gather that the spoons dont exist. and i gather that the ones that are pictured in the spoons dont exist.

now the holy trinity is something important to this movie.
the father{man born inside}= god
the son{neo}= jesus the messiah
the holy spirit= man born and neo's spirits effect on the world.
trinity= the ones other half, the woman whom he is meant to be with.

now why would the trinity consist of 6 ones?

it defeats the purpose of being called the one.

now to the oracle.
the first draft script says that the oracle prophesised the ones return from the temple of zion.
now my take on that is, is that they are saying that she is in zion. a part of zion.
now that differs totally from reloaded when she tells neo that she is a part of the system.

i do believe that that the draft scripts do play a part in all of the madness. i reckon that they mean something..

now to another thing.

why would morpheus have 5 targets for the one. when he toatally believes that neo is the one?

and to mobil.

how can you prove that you are not in the matrix?
after all this world is very cheesy

*ignore mode on*

why are you so sure the 5 reflections are symbol of the 5 previous Ones.Only because the camera is shooting from Neo's point of view?if it was shootin from the point of view of the spoon boy there would be 5 reflections of the boy in the spoons.there are five reflections of EVERYTHING in that room.