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i have questions for all, it may just open up your eyes.


would people in a real world know of the dangers of artificial intelligence?

in a real world would people still make artificial intelligence knowing the dangers?

would people in the real world be ignorant to these dangers?

how come we have long known what AI's eventual purpose is, but why do we still insist on creating it?

these questions may just open up your eyes

thanks for reading

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What exactly are the dangers of AI ?

(1) Them becoming equal, or (please no) possibly superior to us ?

or

(2) We treating them as inferior, even if they are not ? And hereby causing hate among them ?

Lies the danger within them (1), or within ourselves (2) ? Or a little bit of both ? You tell me.

Regardless of the answer to this question my answers to your questions would be ( I do feel you need to ask your self the above question, before you can answer these below) :

"Would people in a real world know of the dangers of artificial intelligence?"
Some will, some won't. Actually, some do, and most don't ...

"In a real world would people still make artificial intelligence knowing the dangers?"
Yes, some (or more) will. Even if it is forbidden by law, there will be scientist that are and will be interested in exploring the possibilities of AI.

"Would people in the real world be ignorant to these dangers?"
Most of them will, some won't. (Again, most are, few are not. ... I even dare to say that you, in seemingly putting the (reason of) danger solely with the AI, are ignorant to these 'dangers'.

"How come we have long known what AI's eventual purpose is, but why do we still insist on creating it?"
Now here we do need the aforementioned answer to the question 'What are the dangers of AI?', or to 'What is AI's eventual purpose?

So, if you could answer those question first, it will be easier to answers yours (and I will - I hope you can guess mine from my post(s))

just quick my first response :
Basic purpose : to be intelligent by being an independent mind like we are able to. This does not include take advantage of this 'power' like we do.


But in conclusion :

'What are the dangers of AI?' and
'What is AI's eventual purpose?

Equality and freedom are not luxuries to lightly cast aside.
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clockwork you seem to be believing the fact about machines being our equals and being superior.

in a real world machines would not be made in mans image.

AI is created to make mans life easier, not to be a better person than us.
the AI in the matrix film is a singular concienceness, that over sees everything.
this AI is the only bad machine that has enough memory to oversee everything in the matrix.

the way it was is that there was one machine that oversaw everything in the real world. it opened doors, it turned out lights, it cooked dinner ect.

this is AI 's real purpose.

AI makes mans life easy.
cmon you cant actually believe that we are going to make AI in our own image.

ok ill go to the questions
answers....

if man knew the danger of AI then he would not build them, end of story.

if man knew that machines would eventually overtakes mans need to exist, then he wouldnt make them.

and no, man does not know how things will end up in a real world.

here is a hint..

there is a song called WE ARE ONLY GONNA DIE FROM OUR OWN IGNORANCE OR ARROGANCE

how can people know this?

if we were ignorant, how would we know this?
if we are arrogant, how would be able to see that we are not?

thats food for thought

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this is AI 's real purpose.

AI makes mans life easy.

Out of pure interest : What is your definition of AI ? And do you see a difference between 'common' machines that are made to make life easier (for instance, very basic : a knife is a tool to 'make life easier') and an 'intelligent' machine-program that is made to make life easier.

If it is only made for that purpose, how can 'it' spawn an entire race of machines?

You know the experiment, where in one room you have a human being, answering questions, and in the other you have a computer, which is designed to respond in a way, so that you cannot distinguish between both. If you that is succeeded, you have so-called 'AI' (most common definition for the 'intelligence' in AI)

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clockwork you seem to be believing the fact about machines being our equals and being superior.
In the story presented in the film, in terms of rights, yes I do believe the fact about machines being not inferior (our equals) -- But I do _not_ believe them being superior in everything or anything, or superior as 'beings' ...

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if we were ignorant, how would we know this?
if we are arrogant, how would be able to see that we are not?
Because 'we' as humans or not one entity, and we can judge other humans.

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in a real world machines would not be made in mans image. // cmon you cant actually believe that we are going to make AI in our own image.
It is already being tried and done. (not always succesfull on every level)

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AI is created to make mans life easier, not to be a better person than us.
I never said that last one. I only didn't rule out the possibility that they might be ... The arrogance you mentioned before, is found in stating that they never could be.

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the AI in the matrix film is a singular concienceness, that over sees everything.
this AI is the only bad machine that has enough memory to oversee everything in the matrix.

the way it was is that there was one machine that oversaw everything in the real world. it opened doors, it turned out lights, it cooked dinner ect.
The programs/machines in the film share a single conciousness, and if you wish to call that AI, I even agree, but if you do so, AI is not 'one machine', but just that a singular conciousness that is shared between all machines, that bond's all machines and programs.

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ok ill go to the questions
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if man knew the danger of AI then he would not build them, end of story.

if man knew that machines would eventually overtakes mans need to exist, then he wouldnt make them.

and no, man does not know how things will end up in a real world.
Indeed, it doesn't know that, and probably never will. So the danger of AI is that they will eventually overtake mans need to exist.

That is only so if those intelligent program/machines will think they are better than us (and won't need us), and if they would conclude that -because of this- we would not be needed (this is the arrogance and ignorance that is mentiones in that song)

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