»"System failure"«

Anyone noticed?

Neo has an interresting monologue at the end of the Matrix 1. Listen carefully to what he says, I will make the important part bold, look carefully:

Neo wrote:

I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us, you're afraid of change...I don't know the future...I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. Now, I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you...a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world...where anything is possible.

Trouble figuring out which world is that? It would be illogical to mention the matrix as a "World where anything is possible" because, the matrix is -in it's self- the tool of controll, manipulation, the most direct connection between the supressors, and the human race. So it can't be that world of which Neo is speaking of.

Would it be Zion? Is that really the world where we would think anything is possible? Well not quite, the planet is one big ruin, only one human city left, and it is sorrounded by the whole machine hypercolony. (Lets ease the situation and take away the machine colony from the equation, still we have one city, and the ruined planet, so...nope it's not even Zion)

So at this part, we begin to seriously think over this paradox situation. And there will be only one logical conclusion.

The world of which Neo speaks is OUR world, the system which fails, is OUR corrupted system, and the ones on the other end of the (phone)line, are the "machines" that keep US in this slavery.

Neo is the messenger, he delivers the first main message of the trilogy at the end of the first movie to US. And the message is from the resistance, sent to the rulers of this planet. (In it's flesh and blood reality right here on Earth)

A message that tells them that this movie might end here, but it was only the beginning [I didn't come here to
tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you
how this is going to begin.], it was the first wave of truth sent out to the public, but inevitably more will follow. As Neo -representing the resistance of mankind itself- now have the power and the technology to RESIST. So the message is actually: "Beware! This movie is just the first prod to your fall, we now have all the technology to zero your controll over this race, and we will come back and use it!" And as you will see, more and more movies/books/stories like the matrix will eventually appear. And the people's thrust in the system will decrease. We will start to think about our surroundings, not just do our job, and serve. And at that moment, the system will break, and sooner or later it will fall.

Who are the rulers of this planet, what "resistance"?... Not fully Clear?

It will all make sence to you soon. You may also want to check on my other topic: matrix-explained.com...

There is more to this movie than you might think. In every dimension. It is a message to everyone. And the key is available: you just need to find the facts out. Where do you look to find the facts out? "Know yourself" ring a bell? But allmost as important to know yourself is to know your surroundings. Try and see the easy way, don't try to guess what is in front of you, don't recline upon others opinion about it, don't let prejudice dim your sences, just see everything as it is, open your own eyes, and don't look through others! As Morpheus said: Free your mind. The key to the message is there, for more than 50 years, it has been waiting. Seek out the knowledge.

Hey gork,

I'm not sure if you want us to get fork and shovel to start the "RESISTANCE" but no matter what Neo says it's all sci-fi.

This is the sad part. Most people have no clue about what you are talking about. This is a timeless message, and a timeless plight. I only hope that humanity can awaken in time. Our evolution has been stunted enough already.

MM

I just now had a thought that was kind of brought on by this post, although I'd hate to give him even half the credit for my genius...

I have in past posts argued that the storyline for M2 & M3 was critically flawed. This was because of the super human things that Neo could do (i.e. defeating sentinels by just thinking it, etc.). There seemed to be no logical explanation to this -- just a lame excuse to try to keep the story together.

Now I've thought of another theory (don't claim to be the first to think this). Maybe in the story of the Matrix the real world is a place where anything is possible. Why shouldn't there be telekinetics, etc. in a sci-fi story like the Matrix?

Then it's easy to see why Neo wants to liberate those humans still in the Matrix. They could do amazing things within the Matrix (dodging bullets, etc.), but that would be nothing to what they could do in the real world, without any rules or controls to govern them.

Do I have some support with this?

Mr. Rhineheart wrote:

Hey gork, I'm not sure if you want us to get fork and shovel to start the "RESISTANCE" but no matter what Neo says it's all sci-fi.

Thank you for this marvellous post.

Mr. Matrix wrote:

This is the sad part. Most people have no clue about what you are talking about. This is a timeless message, and a timeless plight. I only hope that humanity can awaken in time. Our evolution has been stunted enough already. MM

Well Sir, most people don't even have a clue about themselfs let alone their surroundings... Some believe, that the key of their intelligence is to be found in the grey matter, and that we are just around one or two percent different than a monkey. Some even think we are nothing more than a bunch of coincidentally aggregated organic molecules. What a funny thought. But as for commenting your idea, I agree it is timeless. But I don't share your hope for humanity's awakening. I think nothing happens by itself, we have to do something to achieve that goal.

DrFunkenstein wrote:

I just now had a thought that was kind of brought on by this post, although I'd hate to give him even half the credit for my genius... I have in past posts argued that the storyline for M2 & M3 was critically flawed. This was because of the super human things that Neo could do (i.e. defeating sentinels by just thinking it, etc.). There seemed to be no logical explanation to this -- just a lame excuse to try to keep the story together. Now I've thought of another theory (don't claim to be the first to think this). Maybe in the story of the Matrix the real world is a place where anything is possible. Why shouldn't there be telekinetics, etc. in a sci-fi story like the Matrix? Then it's easy to see why Neo wants to liberate those humans still in the Matrix. They could do amazing things within the Matrix (dodging bullets, etc.), but that would be nothing to what they could do in the real world, without any rules or controls to govern them. Do I have some support with this?

First, I would like to tell you, I don't have the slightest urge to race with ideas. Second -but we are talking about two different things. Third, I believe, that you should take a trip around the forum to make sure of that "lame excuse" you where talking about, because I think many of the posters have some really bright thoughts about Neo's superior powers. Fourth when talking about the matrix or other movies like the matrix, everyone notices (I think) that these movies are one of a kind, and that they carry a great phylosophical charge, and reckoning with this we try to set aside the official classification, and try to think about it, like it could be true. As I said, please try to see everything as it is, not as they tell you to (it's only a sci-fi). Matrix at my first sight is a very straight message to the viewers.

Okay,okay, something is out there. It's a timeless message. But i think we have many years of more "vanity and corruption"(The Second Renaissance) before anything happens. Probably none of us will be around when it will happen but hey, that's my opinion.

I also like the idea in the real world we are superhumans. What i know is that we are actually using something like 3% of the brain capacity. But Squiddies going trough your body...? I guess i'm not open minded enough.

Mr. Rhineheart wrote:

Okay,okay, something is out there. It's a timeless message. But i think we have many years of more "vanity and corruption"(The Second Renaissance) before anything happens. Probably none of us will be around when it will happen but hey, that's my opinion.

I believe, Mr. Rhineheart, that we are allready feeling the effects of some things happening around us. As I'm reffering to it in my other topic.

Some of you readers might have heard about the great Buddhist masters who -after their training- can lean against a spear's head with their bare neck and bend the spear, but not even scrach their skin. I don't know for sure, but I think if I tried to do that exactly the same way he did it.. well I think soon there could be a serious obstacle blocking the flow of air inside my larynx. Anyway, this could be learned by anyone they say. And if this is right, than with a certain knowledge we could be doing some very serious stuff in this world. Ofcourse this was only one example, but if you read a lot about martial arts, I'm sure you will find the most amazing abilities one can do with it's body. Let alone the mind.

About the things happening around us: Did you know, that the civil technology is 50-60 years behind the currently developed state-of-the-art technology? Did you know, that there is no fatal disease? That the pharmaceutics industry deliberately uses symptomatic treatment and side-effects? That it is a method to get more money out of people like they would with an instant cure? Did you know, that the voting, and election is only a survey, to estimate the people's tolerance for currently used political methods? Did you know that you are being lied to every day?

Do you think thats air you're breathing now?
Well, the situation is more serious than that.

gorkie wrote:

About the things happening around us: Did you know, that the civil technology is 50-60 years behind the currently developed state-of-the-art technology?

Hmmm, you're not entirely full of bullshit, you know.

Take my favourite example, Maglev trains:

DrFunkenstien wrote:

This sort of technology is already being used in some countries like China and Germany. But I have yet to hear of it being implementing in USA or Australia. The same principle could probably be used to power cars, as an alternative to petroleum. But -- for one reason or another -- it's simply not happening. Then there's America in its latest re-incarnation -- with George Bush at the helm leading his bullshit "war of terror". Like George Orwell said -- "War is a way of shattering to pieces materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too intelligent."

The reason, why It is not happening, is that it would be a total cross to the oil business, and every "real thick wallet businessman" is in the oil business today.. Why? Because Oil is "running out" you know. BUT the twist in the story is: The oil is just virtually runing out, they have plenty left, but if they say the oil is running out, they can once more raise the prices before the real exhaustion would come, and before they could come over completely to something even more well-paying industry. This is an old trick.. Like with computers. They already have the optronic, and quantum technologies, but they want to make money from the older technologies too, so they announce a new even faster processor type every season for example, and they give one away for about $800. But the tech at the moment costs less than like $100.

This "war of terror" thing, let me comment it. When we are talking about terrorism, we are talking about scaring people, and taking away their safeness, and security. The reaction: More security devices, more health protection devices (from gasmasks to weapons, and bullet-proof vests and everything, which is from this side, VERY good money) will be purchased, people will allow more to their government, the democracy fails, and a state of almost accepting dictatorship will approach fast. Just look around at an airport... with the high security, they can allmost do everything with you and your baggs. The US will soon be a police state, and people will assist them. (If this strata of terrorism continues, USA will not be the only one)

Thats it for now.

DrFunkenstien wrote:

Hmmm, you're not entirely full of bullshit, you know.

I would like to take the opportunity to thank you in all submissiveness for this outstanding observation.

This opinion is very important to me..

Well gorkie, he is truly right you know.

You are posting amazing stuff around here and to my opinion you are one of the most interesting posters since a long time.

I agree with everything you have said here. The movies indeed contain a message; it seems almost like the movies were helped by an 'invisible' hand of 'God'. So much was needed to realize part 2 and 3, it was like a miracle.

But I have something interesting for you. The Wachowski's had to ride along the 'corrupt system' first in order to achieve their goal. They made their first movie like an sci-fi action without too much thinking: Neo was the man with the muscles while it is never explained why he has those muscles. He is just super talented without a reason.
It's a movie that the mass out there will eat and that will earn lots of money.

It's only because of the money that the Wachowki's were free to produce part 2 and 3 entirely on their terms. So what this tells us is that we have to use the 'corrupt system' in order to fight it.

About people waking up:

It's indeed frustrating that so many people are walking in vicious circles: raising their children without a free mind, making also 'robots' out of them.

How can they wake up? If they might do an attempt to free their mind, they will be puked out of the society they are in. I am a bit of an 'anomaly' myself and I have no friends.

It seems impossible to let people wake up at a much higher scale. So Smith's option seems attractive at sometimes: annihalition. But then Neo saves the day and might give us the message to be patient? To live and let live? You simply cannot force people to wake up like Morpheus wants to do. They have to want it theirselves. But when will they be willing to? That remains the question allways.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

You are posting amazing stuff around here and to my opinion you are one of the most interesting posters since a long time.

Thank you, I'm honored by your sentiment.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

But I have something interesting for you. The Wachowski's had to ride along the 'corrupt system' first in order to achieve their goal. They made their first movie like an sci-fi action without too much thinking: Neo was the man with the muscles while it is never explained why he has those muscles. He is just super talented without a reason. It's a movie that the mass out there will eat and that will earn lots of money.

I have a theory about this: Neo has died at the end of Matrix one, but he was able to come back to his body, and back to life. I think, that while this happened, he was able to see from a viewpoint he didn't notice before, he observed everything as it was, from the outside. He saw the rules, the boundaries, the exploits, and he returned. From that second, he knew how to circumvent the system. That second he realised the power he had.

Well actually there is a more.. religious explanation, but at this moment I don't think people would accept my parallelism with that. If you wish, I'd be really happy to send that explanation in e-mail to you Mr. Mobil_Ave_Neo.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

It's only because of the money that the Wachowki's were free to produce part 2 and 3 entirely on their terms. So what this tells us is that we have to use the 'corrupt system' in order to fight it.

Money is allways needed ofcourse, noone can deny that, especially if you wish to work completely on your own terms, but to transmit a clean message, they have to be the only ones who have complete rights over the storyline.
They created a magnificent work, I don't think there should be a question about their well-deserved financial compensation.
But lets think about the "corrupt system" who has even the possibility not to obey the rules without getting harmed, or jailed? The whole society is bound to these rules at this moment. This problem has to be approached from another side of the story.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

About people waking up: It's indeed frustrating that so many people are walking in vicious circles: raising their children without a free mind, making also 'robots' out of them. How can they wake up? If they might do an attempt to free their mind, they will be puked out of the society they are in. I am a bit of an 'anomaly' myself and I have no friends. It seems impossible to let people wake up at a much higher scale. So Smith's option seems attractive at sometimes: annihalition. But then Neo saves the day and might give us the message to be patient? To live and let live? You simply cannot force people to wake up like Morpheus wants to do. They have to want it theirselves. But when will they be willing to? That remains the question allways.

People won't want to wake up if they dont know there is something they should wake up from. The main purpose is not to force waking, but to tell people: HEY! Look around! Look here, look there, look at this and that, from here and there! Can you see this? Can you see what you are doing? And people will begin to see that they are living in a "dream world" and people will want to be conscious, and awake by their own judgement. I haven't seen a sane human being who ever wanted to be controlled, and exploited. The ONLY problem is, that people don't see the exit.

I can tell where the lightswitch is
Everything will be Clear soon.

Don't worry just kidding.
The irony is those weird gurus use the same speech to exploit people. So who then will you beleive....

Anyways
Do you reaaly think that G.W.Bush adminstation and The Saudis super rich families are the world secret circle. I think they are a little to exposed to be it. Yes Oil is power but to me this empire looks like any empire in the past

Brithish (industrial)
French (Napoleon)
Roman (Ceasar)
Greek (Alexander)
Mongols (Gengis Khan)

And all those empires died the same way....from inside.

If the a matrix in our world, it is beyond what we see in CNN.

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Do you reaaly think that G.W.Bush adminstation and The Saudis super rich families are the world secret circle. I think they are a little to exposed to be it.

I never said anything like they would be the secret circle. They are way beyond these little puppets.

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Yes Oil is power but to me this empire looks like any empire in the past.

What empire are you referring to by "this empire"?

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If the a matrix in our world, it is beyond what we see in CNN.

You are quite right about that.

Please exuse me, but I'm not able to reply or answer questions during weekends.

I think since the end of the cold war, we are in the American empire (with has stategic allies). Yes China is coming up fast but until then, the American capitalism and military secret service rules.

When i talk about secret circle, i meant the about those responsible for a few affirmation posted here:

mobil_ave_neo:(we have to use the 'corrupt system' in order to fight it.)

gorkie:(that the civil technology is 50-60 years behind the currently developed state-of-the-art technology)

gorkie: (it would be a total cross to the oil business, and every "real thick wallet businessman" is in the oil business today)

Basically i want to say those injustice are from a small group of people and not from a "matrix master". But those problems remains definitly obsatcles before enlightment.

Anyway have a good weekend Gork....