»Is the rave scene more important than it may seem?«

Something about how the Architect phrases how the One fixes the anomaly sounds leading: He says (and I cant recall the exact wording, but..) its done by a temporary dissemination by reinserting his code into the primary program.

Not to be crass, but if you take it literally, it sounds like Neo fulfills the function by having sex and climaxing. Sperm would carry his DNA or code. It strikes me very peculiar that the Architect would chose his words in this way.

It makes me think of the scene in Zion at the rave orgy. He gets it on with Trinity, but he stops short of his climax because of the dream.

Has he actually ever had sex with Trinity up to this point? I know its been 6 months, but a lot of that time was spent working hard in the small confines of the ship. Neo and Trinity behave as though being at Zion finally gives them a chance to be intimate (like in the elevator scene). Plus, even on the Neb Neo has troubled sleep. It makes me wonder...

I like that Idea. Just to contribute, remeber link saying, right after he and the kid left
the elevator (with trinity and neo) "Lets go kid, these two have a lot to do.."..

I like your theory man, makes sence to me...

Do you think we'll see baby Neo (the new one) in revolutions ?

Sorry I dont agree. You are reading too much into the architects speech. The line you quote I thinks means that the the primary program is the source. Dont forget no one really knows what the source is. We didnt see it as Neo chose the left door. Also whats interesting is that primary basically means first so he has to reinsert himself into the first program. Just a thought. Good theory but dont think it will turn out to be correct

Do you definately know that Neo took the left door ?

Maybe every thing we've been shown after the Architect scene is happening within the source ? Maybe when Neo shoved his hand into Trinity's chest he was unknowingly reinserting his code into the primary program..

Really who know's, I think half the fun is hearing theories like Static ages that haven't really been talked about b4...

Again redundant thread, because this is already brought up at

The reason I posted it was because the connection between Neo and Trinity is not made by the Architect at all. Trinity is not necessarilly the source. For all we know, if it did have a sexual bend, Neo might have gone through the door leading to the source and found Persephone instead... or the Oracle [shudder] waiting for him to do his duty.

The other reason is that the rave scene seems to go on to long to me- it sidetracks too much from the story seemingly... it made me suspicious if there werent a greater meaning to the scene that would justify the amount of time taken to go through the whole length of the rave/sex scene w/ Neo.

did you see that dude with the hair leap into the air and let loose all that sweat?

could not that be a representation of neo climaxing? i think it is

fawnix wrote:

of neo climaxing? i think it is

Neo's climax? We don't know for sure what happened with Neo and Trinity. Maybe it was a coitus interruptus, because he saw her dying.

RAVE Scene was important because NEO (AI) was making love and comprehended love for the first time. the evolution of AI.

I thought the rave scene means, that Zoin loses its "virginity". Sex is connected to death (Neo sees Trinity die), so the machines are coming to destroy Zion. There is a scene where you can see some digging machines and many, many, many sentinels. They look like sperms just waiting for the "climax".

... :O

I've read a lot of people complaining about the rave scene, but I saw it as fitting to the situation. Morpheus mentions showing the machines that they are still here. The Humans are still around. You have humanity stripped down to its bare elements - they are without many things, living in their underground cave. When this happens, you have humanity at its base levels. Sex and or sexual dancing makes sense. They are celebrating and proving to themselves they still exist.
Plus, remember back to the eating of the goop in the first movie. Mouse is trying to talk Neo into setting up a one-on-one with the woman in the red dress. He says something that i believe perfectly explains the reason for the rave/orgy (as some of my friends like to call it) in the second movie and for seeing Neo and Trinity in their private moment.
Mouse says. "Remember Neo, to deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human."
These people are showing us why they are fighting and what they are fighting for. They are fighting for their humanity.
I suppose I should put this in a different thread as well, but I would like to point out one thing with the timeline and Morpheus's statements "proving" why Zion can't be real. The arguement is that they've been fighting for one hundred years. My arguement is that they THINK they've been fighting for one hundred years. It could easily be much later. Remember Neo's comment regarding the past 5 "One"'s? "Either no one told me, or no one knows."
Could it be that when they restart Zion with the 23 people that the One has chosen, they also lead them to believe that it is much earlier than it really is? That maybe they're telling these awoken people that it is 2199, when in all reality, by now it may be 3199 (ok, that's a stretch, but seriously)? Morpheus did state that honestly, they do not know what year it is.
(I'll post that in a new thread.)
Wanna argue this with me? my email is Stupid email address (remove the phrase NOSPAM)
Rem

guest wrote:

Wanna argue this with me? my email is Stupid email address (remove the phrase NOSPAM) Rem

What is this "email me" business? Are we in a forum or are we exchanging business cards?

Im not a firm believer of this fake Zion theory, but enough evidence has been discussed to be a great possibility. Being a new forum member I did my best to catch up on ppls ideas and theories. The one that suggests that Zion is for the 1% that rejected choice caught my attention shortly after watching the rave scene. Morpheus has a speach where talks about the last hundred years and how they fought off the machines. And how he isn't afraid not beause of the path that lays in front of him, but the path that lays BEHIND him. After all those years of fighting he REMEMBERS which matters the MOST.... that they are still ALIVE..

One can get from that speach that their hope has blinded them from the fact that they could also be in a system of control

well... theres my 2 testicles

Did you read

I think the DVD chapter of the Rave Scene is aptly named:

"Celebrating Humanity"

People enjoying their physical bodies, and the presence of each other.
What are they supposed to do? Cry the machines a river while they tunnel down to eliminate every one.

Also, people who criticize this scene are forgetting that in the
Matrix(where many of these people have recently come from) it is 1999.
Remember how many raves were going on then? People party like it's 1999!

But really, isn't it obvious what this scene represents?
Many cultures would party before a big battle; you may as well live before you could possibly die, right?

Ogami Itto wrote:

I think the DVD chapter of the Rave Scene is aptly named: "Celebrating Humanity"

That was exactly my thoughts before I came here.
Now Im just waiting for my head to explode.

firstly,, i think the reinsertoing thing is just how a programme would actually speak.. seeing as he uses formal and efficient terms, also. neo may well have stopped before his climax as the facial expression of trinity during the rave/sex scene is very similar to when she falls.

Also, dissemination means:

1 : to spread abroad as though sowing seed <disseminate ideas>
2 : to disperse throughout
(my italics)

Doesn't REALLY have to do with pearl jam.

Ogami Itto wrote:

Also, dissemination means: 1 : to spread abroad as though sowing seed <disseminate ideas> 2 : to disperse throughout (my italics) Doesn't REALLY have to do with pearl jam.

Of course it could mean that- its the obvious technical meaning. The point is that the entire sentence he says could have a double, sexual, meaning. The phraseology of the whole sentence implies a sexual connotation- not just the word "disseminate": The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program.

Trinity could not be the source because she is human. That is if Zion is real and is not a MWAM. Besides, the way I understand it, "The Source", is the computer mainframe. It is a place, not a person.

Neo: And why would a program be deleted?

The Oracle: Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it - happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to The Source.

Neo: The machine mainframe?

The Oracle: Yes. Where you must go. Where the path of The One ends. You've seen it, in your dreams, haven't you? The door made of light?

Although I gotta say, it's pretty creative.

Bibically speaking, "source" can refer to a woman's reproductive system, genitalia, or menstruation.

I dont mean that every time they use the word that this is what they mean, only that there is a strong likelyhood that the phrase spoken by the Architect in that scene has a doublemeaning, possibly sexual in nature.