»Neo was the only one. THE ONE THEORY.«

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

why are vampires and monsters all in humanoid form? what would have caused the system to make monsters out of humans? why does the architect look like colonel sanders from kfc? why is the architects real name helmut? why does the oracle need seraph, when she had humans in her apartment who had a possibilty of changing into an agent? why does the spoonboy looked stunned when neo bends the spoon? why is agent smith the weaker of the 2?, then he becomes stronger than neo? is it possible to kill neo in the matrix? 1.you will find that humans are the monsters in the matrix, who do you think plays the parts in movies concerning monsters? monsters are in human form because the machines think that men are monsters... 2.the architect looks like colonel sanders from kentucky fried chicken because. A.kentucky fried humans as a food source. B.he made a devise into which he puts his food. C.he is from the south= hell D.he is a racist redneck from the south 3. helmut = hellmutt= 3 headed demon dog 4.the answer is, is that the oracle doesnt need protection. she is very powerful in the matrix. 5.the spoonboy looks stunned because neo bends the spoon back to its original state. the spoonboy cant do this, as there is 5 bent spoons left on the floor. 6.the answer is, smith is already neos opposite. 7. and no, neo cannot be killed.. please reply

3. That is just stupid. Maybe you are serious, maybe you are joking; either way, I'll take that as a joke. Ha ha.

4. You didn't even answer your own question here. Try again. If anything, she "needs" Seraph because Smith is no longer a part of the system, thus rendering her previous defense useless.

The rest of your trivia was just kinda dumb anyway, no one cares. Good point about the monster thing though.

Now here is a question I pose for you: WHY is the Oracle depicted as an elderly women?

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

1.you will find that humans are the monsters in the matrix, who do you think plays the parts in movies concerning monsters? monsters are in human form because the machines think that men are monsters...

That's indeed a good point. The Merovingian is a sinfull 'monster' too.

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2.the architect looks like colonel sanders from kentucky fried chicken because. A.kentucky fried humans as a food source. B.he made a devise into which he puts his food. C.he is from the south= hell D.he is a racist redneck from the south

Weird shit man! I won't take this seriously.

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3. helmut = hellmutt= 3 headed demon dog

Cool coincidence or maybe a hidden message from our 'real God'?

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4.the answer is, is that the oracle doesnt need protection. she is very powerful in the matrix.

Like The 7th Anomaly said, she is not powerfull against Smith; he acts like a virus.
The heat with the Mervogian has also turned up. And since Seraph seemed to have been part of the Mero's organisation, he knows how to efficiently avoid him.

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5.the spoonboy looks stunned because neo bends the spoon back to its original state. the spoonboy cant do this, as there is 5 bent spoons left on the floor.

Check the scene again and again and again. Take the trouble and you will see that you are saying bullshit.

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6.the answer is, smith is already neos opposite.

Hmm and in another thread you say differently?

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7. and no, neo cannot be killed..

Cool! Our first real agreement!

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please reply

Done!

mikekemp1 wrote:

why do the machines not just kill the people when they wake up? the machine releases them and they get sucked into the waste system but wouldn't it be easier to just kill them? eventually their plan is to kill everyone in zion and reboot the system but surely this would be quicker and safer could someone please answer this for me?

They do kill some I am sure. In the Matrix there are billions of people so 1% as a systemic anomaly is way more than just the 250,000 people in Zion.

But killing them doesn't take away the 'damage' that has already been done to the equation of the Matrix. As soon as someone (near unconsious or not) does not accept the Matrix, the equation is already unbalanced.

They just let a few go out to Zion in order to ultimately let the One fix the equation again. They allow Zion as the meisure of control.

I hope this answered it for you.

The 7th Anomaly wrote:

Sati was also two programs love child, i.e. human emotions displayed by A.i. That is why she was an exile, because she did not have a purpose until the end. However, she may be the "sun god," but she is also most def. a "program/machine/a.i." with human intellect and emotion and human understanding. This is quite obvious. She is basically the first of her kind, a revolution...

But how about Rama-Kandra then?

this answer to your question is..

the reason why the machine doesnt kill people that are unplugged is.

1.the machine is made just for the purpose of recycling humans, just as the sentinels only purpose is to search and destroy.
you will find that the machines dont think like men. so they dont realise a threat until it is visable.
artificial intelligence is clever, but it only reacts to stimuli.

there has to be a stuation into which it reacts

Ignoring me again?

BTW this answer is nonsense.

Neo is the sixth version so they know what is going to happen.

I hope that mikekemp1 will look up for his answer

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

The 7th Anomaly wrote: Sati was also two programs love child, i.e. human emotions displayed by A.i. That is why she was an exile, because she did not have a purpose until the end. However, she may be the "sun god," but she is also most def. a "program/machine/a.i." with human intellect and emotion and human understanding. This is quite obvious. She is basically the first of her kind, a revolution... But how about Rama-Kandra then?

Doesn't even matter. The point is, these are PROGRAMS disp-laying pure human emotions, the next step in the machine revolution.

Cool yes But Sati is not the first of her kind if Rama already shows these characteristics.

But it doesn't matter, I think we can agree together that she is the first program that is born/created out of love. And that is what makes her special.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Cool yes But Sati is not the first of her kind if Rama already shows these characteristics. But it doesn't matter, I think we can agree together that she is the first program that is born/created out of love. And that is what makes her special.

Exactly, thus creating a new understanding of the machine's in relation to human/machine affairs. A "revolution" so to speak in precise terms.

I like the way this topic has been going and that is why I have participated in it. To tell you the truth, if most of you would use your brains and actually uncover the shroud of supposed secrecy of The Matrix, the answers are quite apparant. I have them. I helped work/edit on the script for Reloaded and Revolutions, so I know the direction the Bros. were going in. Same with The Matrix, I helped revise the original script, so I have a firm grasp of most of these concepts. I could spoil it all for you, but I'll let you keep on the lookout for the truth since it is so much fun....

By the way, The_First_One, two questions for you.

1. What is the purpose of the little children in the Oracles apt. in The Matrix? Are they programs?

2. You may be wrong about the "monsters are humans in The Matrix because the humans are really seen as monsters." Even though it sounds good in theory, how do you explain the Twins?

The 7th Anomaly wrote:

I could spoil it all for you, but I'll let you keep on the lookout for the truth since it is so much fun....

Yeah but I have been on the lookout fore the truth for more than two years now

I formed theories on pretty much every aspect of the movies, so it would be cool to know how much I am on the right course.

So maybe I could give you my email sometime, so that you can 'spoil' some stuff to me

The 7th Anomaly wrote:

By the way, The_First_One, two questions for you. 1. What is the purpose of the little children in the Oracles apt. in The Matrix? Are they programs? 2. You may be wrong about the "monsters are humans in The Matrix because the humans are really seen as monsters." Even though it sounds good in theory, how do you explain the Twins?

i believe that the purpose of the kids is..

1. it is a way to get the machines attention off of neo.
2. when neo sees them manipulate the laws of the matrix, he too believes that he can do it.
3. it is a way to make neo strive harder for the one title
4. i do believe that they are human children..

i will give you a hint about the twins

there are no twins

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

The 7th Anomaly wrote: By the way, The_First_One, two questions for you. 1. What is the purpose of the little children in the Oracles apt. in The Matrix? Are they programs? 2. You may be wrong about the "monsters are humans in The Matrix because the humans are really seen as monsters." Even though it sounds good in theory, how do you explain the Twins? i believe that the purpose of the kids is.. 1. it is a way to get the machines attention off of neo. 2. when neo sees them manipulate the laws of the matrix, he too believes that he can do it. 3. it is a way to make neo strive harder for the one title 4. i do believe that they are human children.. i will give you a hint about the twins there are no twins

Your answer to my first question was adequate. So basically the children exist as more power of suggestion (see my topic about The One being created through suggestion).

Your second answer, however, does not suffice. Perhaps you did not see this obstacle when you explained your "monster" theory.

when i said that the ghost twins dont exist, i mean.

ghosts dont really exist.
a glitch in the matrix is not a ghost
a glitch is when the machines have changed something in the system.

a ghost is nothing
there is no relosded and revolutions
there is no ghosts

get it?

About this answer to

"why are vampires and monsters all in humanoid form?"

(1)you will find that humans are the monsters in the matrix,
who do you think plays the parts in movies concerning monsters?

First that is answering the question in general and not specific for the film. In general, vampires and some other monsters (not all of them) are depicted as humans long before television/film was ever invented. In film vampires are played by humans, because it's easy to 'transform' an actor to such a mosnter with only make-up (aliens in star trek) and a suit (big-foot, ..)

(2) monsters are in human form because the machines think that men are monsters... /monsters are humans in The Matrix because the humans are really seen as monsters

Analysing your answer (ie is 'the' answer, right ? the only one ... or that is at least the impression you make in all your post), trying to get behind the logic of this answer (and the the why of that question in this discussion) :
So the notion of werewolves and vampires is mentioned in the story, because in the told universe, machines/programs (AI) think humans are monsters.

So AI develop the matrix and design the monsters in a humanoid form. So you explain this choice of design merely through the creative thought of the AI, and not because of the AI created a world as we (humans) see them.

So to answer that question of you (ie, give my interpretation) :

The Matrix is designed so it looks exactly like our own world, it is a model of our world, where bluepeople can walk around in, live their lives, live 'a dream'. That is why, werewolves and vampires and other 'monsters' with humanoid forms in history of mankind fiction are depicted as humanoids.
That's why exiled programs take a humanoid form so they can blend in in the world created by the Architect (a programming program itself, who also chooses a humanoid form interact more easily with Neo in this world. That's why Agents have a humanoid form, to be able to control and interfere in the world they designed without the players (humans) noticing.

mikekemp1 wrote:

why do the machines not just kill the people when they wake up? the machine releases them and they get sucked into the waste system but wouldn't it be easier to just kill them? eventually their plan is to kill everyone in zion and reboot the system but surely this would be quicker and safer could someone please answer this for me?

Because they are needed to give the check-code to return to the Source to improve the system. As a system of control, as a means to guide that check-code back into the system (on a basis of choice).

further explanation :
The first matrix was a mathematical perfection, but that didn't work.

So he ends up with a working matrix, but not a perfect one. Therefore he builds in a check to learn from all the mistakes and so on to improve the matrix. This is symbolised in the code that Neo carries and that is why his code needs to be used to improve the system. Problem is, that without choice, this does not work, choice is inherent in this system - even if that choice is an illusion.