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sorry guys...i havent been on here for ages

i got an email this morning from hannile zulu...a journalist who has spoken several times with sophia and supports here case

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Sorry for this late reply.... Sophia Stewart's 'Third Eye' will be pending soon around the world. We all must wait for the conclusion of the case, before sending out anything yet. Sophia's lawyers advised that. Everything else has been done, the covers of the books...Now it is the waiting that is long, but worth it. Hope you can wait until you get your own sample of the book. You can read more at hanniliezulu.com... or sophiastewart.com... Regards Hannilie Zulu

the case begins next month in the courts...seems we may soon have a resolution to this debate

also

click the sophia stewart link...go to the third eye section and see the finalised cover of the book

"The case is already breaking the news and raising eyebrows around the world, more especially at home in the USA."
hanniliezulu.com...

Hm,...I did a quick search for "Sophia Stewart" and "Matrix":

ABC.com:
No results found

CNN.com
No results found

NBC.com:
No results found

MTV.com:
no results found

So much for the reliability of this article...

Until proven differently, this looks like trying to milk the Matrix-cow to me.

i did think this page was cool though...3 links...and 2 of them are for matrix-explained

Well, she is trying to sell a book about the case....

Of course she does link to Matrix-Explained. This case (and her book) desperately need publicity, and what better "proof" of "this case breaking the news", than the long list of threads dedicated to the subject on a well established Matrix fan-site,...since there is not much else...

But is Matrix-Explained in any way a place to get reliable information about this case?
Sure, there are many links to alleged "proof", but I haven't read one piece of "proof" with a reliable and traceable source (I am far from having read them all, though...)

And who, if I may ask, is ze, the author of the post (which is her only one!) about MGM's barbershop, she links to. I have a feeling that Matrix-Explained is being used here.

Hannile Zulu links to Matrix-Explained. But who is gonna read her site in the first place? People like me, who have been given the link to her site by?... Matrix-Explained,... and maybe other sites like this, whom she most likely was kind enough to inform...

If it weren't for Matrix-Explained, I wouldn't even know that Sophia Stewart exists; I'm sure I am not the only one...

Yes, I am a fan of the Matrix movies.
No, I don't categorically believe Sophia Stewart has no case. But as long as she doesn't come up with hard and proven facts, I agree with you: "innocent until proven guilty"

If it turns out that the Matrix was stolen I will be so dissapointed and I think a lot of Matrix fans will be too. I will still love the movies but it won't be the same. I think it's good that she is releasing the third eye so that we can read it and make up our own damn minds. But until the book or something else proves that the brothers stole the Matrix I will believe the Wachowskis and I hope she is proven wrong. And how can we know that she hasn't made changes in her book so that it is more like the Matrix now.

tozy wrote:

Well, she is trying to sell a book about the case.... Of course she does link to Matrix-Explained. This case (and her book) desperately need publicity, and what better "proof" of "this case breaking the news", than the long list of threads dedicated to the subject on a well established Matrix fan-site,...since there is not much else... But is Matrix-Explained in any way a place to get reliable information about this case? Sure, there are many links to alleged "proof", but I haven't read one piece of "proof" with a reliable and traceable source (I am far from having read them all, though...) And who, if I may ask, is ze, the author of the post (which is her only one!) about MGM's barbershop, she links to. I have a feeling that Matrix-Explained is being used here. Hannile Zulu links to Matrix-Explained. But who is gonna read her site in the first place? People like me, who have been given the link to her site by?... Matrix-Explained,... and maybe other sites like this, whom she most likely was kind enough to inform... If it weren't for Matrix-Explained, I wouldn't even know that Sophia Stewart exists; I'm sure I am not the only one... Yes, I am a fan of the Matrix movies. No, I don't categorically believe Sophia Stewart has no case. But as long as she doesn't come up with hard and proven facts, I agree with you: "innocent until proven guilty"

yeah...good point

matrix-explained does seem to be the place that has centralised all the information that has been released about the case

sophia stewart herself name dropped matrix explained in interviews as a place where her case has been highlighted

very brave of her given the balance of opinion seems far more in favour of the wachowski brothers than sophia

you can see how matrix-explained is the source of information for the case simply by google searching for sophia stewart

but like you say...how relevant and correct is the information posted here

another example of where people get their information from

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Even though that story makes an offhand mention of the “Sophia” connection, it doesn’t really go into the parallels between gnosticism and Stewart’s situation and the Matrix. I found some interesting snippets of conversation in these ‘Matrix-Explained’ forums, but it was mostly myopic, stupid, confused crap. Plus, I hate sifting through forums for good information. So, OK, here’s my go at it:

from here

all 18 pages of the filed law suit

i have contributed to the debate on hannilie's page here

please make valid contributions

an interview with sophia that i dont think has been linked before

According to...
"The Matrix/Terminator RICO Suit... The Most Recent Filing"
moviecitynews.com...
in May 1981, she deliveres a six-page screen treatment titled "the third eye" to Twentieth Century Fox (copyright 1983), and in November 1983 she mailed a copy of a 45-page manuscript (copyright 1984) to Fox.
In the summer of 1986, Stewart sent her 6-page treatment and the 45-page manuscript to Larry and Andy Wachowski in respons to an advertisment...


According to...
Underground News Network UNN
sophiastewart.unn13.com...
Ital- We have seen the documentation so we know what you say is true. As soon as you finished the final part of The Third Eye believe it was October 1, 1983 you took it to Warner Brothers November 23rd 1983.

Sophia- It was in the winter of 1983 that I gave them the rest of the work, in 1981 they had the screen treatment,...


So, what is fake and what is reliable information? How can we know? It's the internet...
I guess I stick to the (a bit) more reliable big media and the fact that they don't even mention the "case"... It's not that they wouldn't be eager to report a sensation like that,... if there were one,... isn't it?

i know all these things...im not posting them in support of sophia..im posting them in an attempt to centralise as much information on the case as possible

the anomaly wrote:

i know all these things...im not posting them in support of sophia..im posting them in an attempt to centralise as much information on the case as possible

I know! My posts are not meant against you, but against the information on this case.
The more I learn about this "case", the more it feels to me like a big joke.
The only reliable information I have read so far, that Sophia Stewart and her case actually exist, is this:
neilgaiman.com...

I could easily create a site called supportsophiasteward.com, place there an "interview" with her, telling people... anything, or create an "official" document proving... anything, give this link in one of the Sophia Stewart threads here,... and soon my "information" would become a part of the discussion.
And I could, of course, ask for donations, as some sites do!

So, until there is anything official,... "innocent until proven guilty".

All these sites reference each other in the attempt to create the illusion that there is some sort of reality to the accusations. This is called circular referencing. A similar tactic was used by the Nazis when they were building their "case" against the Jews (Protocols of the Elders of Zion, etc.) If anything, these sites are damaging Stewart's credibility before a jury and convincing the online community (minus the cranks) that what is really going on here is a vendetta.
I don't understand why I am the only one around here who consistently opposes this tactic and Stewart in general. She will lose her lawsuit, and if she hadn't gone to the online community and started making outrageous claims, she might have gotten a handsome settlement just to shut up about her delusions of grandeur. As it stands now, the defendants will probably file a countersuit for libel, and she will lose her shirt.
Bottom line:
Stewart is both stupid and crazy at the same time!

HA, I just like that it says Mother of the Matrix on the cover. Not in it for the money, BS.

asp.african-institute.org...

Yeah sure, she is assisted by god and god speaks through her LOL! I stand by the W's until it is proven beyond any doubt that they stole the idea for the Matrix. It will be interesting to read the third eye but, like I have said before, how do we know she hasn't made changes in the third eye to make it seem more like the Matrix now?

Scifi.com:

Matrix Memory Lapse Makes Sense

I find it morbidly fascinating that everyone in the mainstream media—including this publication—keeps ignoring the fact that the Wachowskis were successfully sued by Ms. Sophia Stewart regarding both the creation of the Matrix and Terminator stories as well. (According to Ms. Stewart, they are part of the same storyline.) It is both disingenuous and disrespectful to continue to flaunt Mr. Silver and the Wachowskis as creators of such a pop-culture and sci-fi icon when they are not. Perhaps this is the cause of Mr. Silver's flip-flop regarding future Matrix tie-ins. ("Silver's Matrix Vision Is Blurry")

P.S. For some reason should anyone still be uninformed about the matter, simply type "Sophia Stewart" into your search engine and watch the results!

John Green
JGreen(at)virginmega.com


SCI FI Wire Journalist Patrick Lee responds:

As the editor of the various Matrix stories that have appeared on SCI FI Wire and in Science Fiction Weekly, I can say I have followed Ms. Stewart's lawsuit against the Wachowskis, Joel Silver, Warner Brothers and others closely. I'm not sure what the source of the various Internet reports are as to the suit's outcome—most likely a premature press release from Ms. Stewart herself—but I can assure you that the lawsuit is far from settled. The suit was filed in April 2003 and is moving through the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, Case No. 2:03-cv-02873-MMM-VBK, "Sophia Stewart v. Andy Wachowski et al," and is the courtroom of the honorable Margaret M. Morrow. Anyone with access to a computer can access the case documents and the official court docket through Pacer: pacer.psc.uscourts.gov, which is the official documents Web site of the U.S. courts. The suit's documents and docket are public record.

Through those documents, any disinterested reader can discover these facts: that the case remains in litigation, that a mediation session is scheduled for late May and that a tentative trial date has been set for July. The case remains in the usual pre-trial phase of motions, discovery, hearings, etc. You can read Ms. Stewart's formal complaint, as well as the various documents and rulings concerning the case. You will also see that the defendants in the case vigorously deny Ms. Stewart's allegations. And you will see that no final decision has been rendered and no settlement has been reached.

Moreover, I have spoken directly with Ms. Stewart's current attorney of record, Michael Thomas Stoller. He confirms that the case remains unresolved and that it continues to be litigated.

The bottom line is that there is no news to report yet concerning this case, which is far from "successful." Also, you should be cautioned about saying that the Wachowskis or Joel Silver did not create The Matrix or that they stole it from Sophia Stewart, unless you yourself have incontrovertible proof of that fact, because if you are wrong, you have libeled them and are subject to a lawsuit yourself. As always, the caution is: Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Best,
Patrick Lee
News Editor
SCI FI Wire

scifi.com...

Hurray for Patrick Lee for introducing a note of caution into this whole discussion, though I imagine that any retaliation from the Matrix camp would be aimed initially at Stewart...I doubt we will see a barrage of lawsuits at all the disseminators of her disinformation vendetta. They will likely go for the source, Stewart herself.
Thanks for digging this up, toz.

thanks for the link tozy...a question for you though...is it you who is debating with hannilie zulu at his site...i just had a feeling it was you...

I guess you can say it is me who WAS debating with her. It is getting pointless...
Do you think I was too harsh on her?

Sind Sie Deutsche, Österreicherin, oder Schweizerin, Fraulein Engelmann?

Do think I'd give my real name and email address on the internet?

.... deutsch...

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