»Agent Smith's "Everything"«

I apologize if something like this has already been posted, I'm new to this site.

I have long been thinking about Agent smiths Purpose. When Agent Smith tries to copy Neo, He tells Neo that he is there to take back what Neo took from him, namely purpose. So in Reloaded, what is Neo's purpose? If we go by the obvious plot of the movie, and by the prophecy, and by what the oracle tells him, and by what the key maker implies, his purpose is to go to the source.

So then, it is my thought that Agent Smith is trying to copy himself over Neo so that he can take his place and go to the source in his stead. This is why HE is waiting for Neo at the end of the hallway of backdoors. He knows where Neo's purpose is leading him. One telling moment is when the Key maker opens the door and in unison Agent smith says, "Kill him." Before that he evidently did not want to kill him; instead, he was happy fighting him and trying to overpower him so that he could try to copy over him again.

But when Agent Smith sees that Neo will make it to the sourse he would rather Neo be dead than let Neo get to the source. Agent Smith knows that there is great power to be had by entering the source. When asked what he wants, he replies"everything." Evidently Agent Smith feels that there is a way to gain power over everything by entering the source. This can be evidenced by Neo's power over both worlds at the end of reloaded. Some how he has gained power over the real world, and the dream world, simultaneously. In a sense, he has power over everything, he just doesn't understand it.

It is my thought that Agent Smith wants to get to the source so that he can copy himself over the Architect. Then he could take both doors at the same time. He could rule the matrix from the inside, while at the same time gaining the matrix code and returning to the real world, so that he could at some point rule the real world from the outside. He would thus solve the riddle of choice by being able to be in both places at the same time.

Ergo Agent smith would attain a duality of complete Omnipotence and unrestrained power; concordantly, he would be as God.

If only reloaded would have ended like that XD...hmm, an alternative ending on the DVD would've been so cool

@ Aceventura3203
Welcome to the site ~ Good post..
One of my theories is that Smith and Neo are two halves of the ONE, so they can only get to where they are going together.
As for Smiths purpose, I feel that Smith needs a guiding hand just as Neo has had from the Oracle. Smith is out of control because has lost his purpose.
I also think that Neo is the evolved Human 'mind' and Smith the evolved machine 'mind'. When Neo destroyed Smith in the corridor in M1 something happened that changed both of them - Neo developed Machine characteristics and Smith developed Human characteristics, as we have been made aware; everything happens for a reason - so none of this was an accident and couldn't have happened any other way....
Smith and Neo - opposite sides of the same coin..... what do you think ?

I think you are close to something. I believe that they both must find a way to exist together. I feel there is insight to be found in the dialogue of the scene that takes place in the machinery level under Zion. The idea is presented that the machinery world and the humans must find a way to exist in a simbiaotic relationship in order to survive. This is echoed by the Oracle when she tells Neo, the only way we are going to make it is together. I think the major problem is that each side thinks they must "win." This is Morpheus' error. Morpheus is just like the humans of the first Rennisance from the Animatrix who are continually fighting the machines instead of just accepting them.

Be careful accepting what any of the characters say as "the truth." Just becasue they may say everything happens for a reason or that there is no choice, does not mean that they are right.

Have you thought about What Agent Smith means when he says to Neo "some part of you copied onto me"? In the first Matrix the one attribute that separated Neo and Agent Smith is Choice. Neo chooses his purpose, he chooses to go back into the matrix to save morpheus, while Agent Smith is bound to a pre-programmed purpose. Agent Smith even points out that he doesn't like his purose in his speech to morpheus, but he is compelled to follow it none the less. When Neo destroys agent Smith, I believe that what Agent SMith gains is the ability to choose his own purpose. The Ironic thing is that at the end of the first movie, when Neo makes his speech, about wanting to show these people a world without borders or boundries, a world without rules or controls, where anything is possible. He might show some people that revelation, like kid, but the person that he really shows that revelation to is Agent Smith. This is how Neo Frees agent Smith.

Aceventura3203 wrote:

I apologize if something like this has already been posted, I'm new to this site. I have long been thinking about Agent smiths Purpose. When Agent Smith tries to copy Neo, He tells Neo that he is there to take back what Neo took from him, namely purpose. So in Reloaded, what is Neo's purpose? If we go by the obvious plot of the movie, and by the prophecy, and by what the oracle tells him, and by what the key maker implies, his purpose is to go to the source.

yeah, but neo's purpose is more than just reaching the source. his purpose is to CHOOSE if the matrix keeps going or if it crashes. when you compare everyone in the matrix neo's purpose is the most important. his is the only purpose that has power over the existence of the matrix itself. if agent smith thought his purpose was to protect and serve the existence of the matrix, his knowledge of "the One's" purpose robbed him of that belief.

regardless of that, i think the purpose smith is trying to get is, well, to be the one who gets to choose if he lives or dies. as a human, (which he has sort of become) one cannot tolerate the fact that you cannot control your own destiny. i don't think he wants to be god. i think he wants to have CHOICE!

hell. i don't know tho. good post. i've also been perplexed by what smith is really after.

to 0x587e1a2c

read my second post. Agent Smith already has choice. He doesn't need to get to the source to gain the power of choice. Everything he does after he is destroyed in Matrix 1 is by choice.

Aceventura3203 wrote:

Agent Smith already has choice. He doesn't need to get to the source to gain the power of choice. Everything he does after he is destroyed in Matrix 1 is by choice.

except that regardless of his ability to choose to disobey, he has no choice to continue his existence. so what that he can live in the backdoors and copy himself to kingdom come. if neo chooses to end the matrix, smithy goes bye-bye (cataclysmic system failure and all that). as far as living in zion, why the hell would he want to live there its miserable.

having choice is not purpose. have the opportunity to make the ultimate choice, that's purpose

Aceventura3203 wrote:

I believe that what Agent SMith gains is the ability to choose his own purpose.

i agree. the purpose i think he's choosing is to make neo's choice.

I don't think that agent smith wants to get into the real world just to eat bowls of snot. Obviously Neo gained a great power through the process, a power that he carried over to the real world. He has poweer over the machines in the real world. If agent smith had that power, and knew how to use it, then he wouldn't need to live in a hole, he could challenge the machines directly and take over zero one. Smith taunts Neo at the end of reloaded, still using all of the muscles except the one that matters. Obviously Smith has been thinking about what he is doing. It is argueable that he knows about the power Neo will gain from making it to the source.

Your point about Smith going bye bye if neo cracses the matrix isn't really accurate. If Neo crashes that matrix and all the humans die, then everyone dies. So that's not really an option for anyone. You may be making a mistake by believing what the architect has to say. Neo may be making the same mistake. If the architect is such a trusting source, why doesn't NEo tell morpheus where he heard the information from? Neo says, "It doesn't matter [who it was]" I believed him. Perhaps he shouldn't.

The architect does say that there are levels of existence they are prepared to except, it is concievable that Agent smith would have access to those levels as well.

And supposing you are right, that's all the more reason for Agent smith to want to get out of the matrix.

I didn't say choice was purpose, I said he has the ability to chose his purpose. YOu said he didn't have choice. That was innacurate.

What do you think Smith is referring to when he says, "Everything is happening as before, well not exactly."?????

On a side note: I believe that "The Kid" is the only human trapped in
the Matrix that was able to 'self-realize' that the Matrix is in fact not real.

Nobody like Morpheus in a hovercraft gave him a pill and came and got him. He just kind of ejected himself from the Matrix.

Aceventura3203 wrote:

The architect does say that there are levels of existence they are prepared to except, it is concievable that Agent smith would have access to those levels as well.

yeah, you could be right there.

Aceventura3203 wrote:

And supposing you are right, that's all the more reason for Agent smith to want to get out of the matrix.

as far as getting out, what would he do in a human body. now he's limited to biological existence, pain, death and all that. in a human body he's an enemy of the machines and would have to live as a fugitive (zion is about to be destroyed)

Aceventura3203 wrote:

I didn't say choice was purpose, I said he has the ability to chose his purpose. YOu said he didn't have choice. That was innacurate.

ok. i don't think i said smith didn't have choice. if i did, i was meaning that even tho he has the power of choice, because of the surrounding circumstances, he still has no power to keep himself alive. he is under the influence of neo's choice of either the right or left door.
dispite all this it sounds like we agree that smith needs what neo has. ultimately what neo has is a greater power of choice, culminating in the choice to keep the matrix or trash it. you could be right that smith's way to the "acceptible levels of survival" is through the source

I think part of Smiths purpose was to ensure Neo succeded in reaching the Source. If Smith had not arrived in the hall to delay Neo, the door would have been opened too soon resulting in failure. The machines know that humans needs strife to overcome in order to accept "reality", it is possible that certain "obstacles" are created only to ensure the players belive they are on the right track.

Bear with me here, I understand we are talking about Smith. I think we all agree that the Merovingian has interacted, on some level, maybe even fought, other "Ones". Smith, makes reference to everything is happening just like before, but not exactly. Neo's reflections on the monitors behind him at the source are not previous "Ones", but only reflections of Neo's thoughts and behaviors.,"choices", so to speak. I have said all of that to say this: Smith, a program, the Merovingian, a program, the oracle, a program, and yes, the arhcitech, another program have exsited for longer than Neo, or at least longer than we think. They have seen previous matrices. Smith, along with everybody else, knows how this is going to play out, and he does not like it. He has been down that road before, so to speak, and now that he has been "infected" by humans, Neo in particular, he is ready to exercise some mearsure of control over them, without the direction or assistance of the mainfraim AI source. He is now a rogue program. Remember when he is talking to Morpheus i M1 and he said he feels like he has been "infected" by humans? He says, he has to get out of here, has to get out of this place.. its the smell....ect, ect.. Some of you have suggested that he wants to be human, or that Neo and Smith are somehow interconnected, or related. I doubt it. Smith hates humans. Smith cannot be human, but he can, now, have more than purpose, more than choice, now poeple, he can have POWER. So I guess the question of the hour is, if Smith hates humans so much, why does he copy himself into Bane, and try to exist, for whatever reason in the real world? Power again? And, if Smith wanted so bad to get "out of this place", where would he go? The source? What are your thoughts?

WHAT IS NEO ?( New/One) WHAT IS SMITH ?

Let us look at Neo
From the beginning of Matrix 1, we have been told that Neo was Human.
We know that he is a very special Human Being….

Morpheus found the previous Ones, but they were not ready, they all died, could this be proof of an evolutionary pattern; meaning that this time the evolved and ready NEO is to be the symbiosis of Human/Machine.
This for NEO is the FINAL TEST. He has to prove that He is ready, that HE is the evolved mind required by Human beings & Machines to function as ONE.

1. A balance between Human and Machine – the right combination, where the Human will empathise with the Machine and the Machine will empathise with Humans.
2. When NEO meets the ARCHITECT he is told that ….the process had altered his consciousness, but he remained irrevocably human…so the things that the Architect told Neo at the Human level he understood while at the machine level he is still semi/conscious.
3. Matrix Revolutions will awaken the sleeping machine consciousness and the two will function as the ONE ~ a whole being, a new being a MACHINE/HUMAN symbiosis an UNDERSTANDING.
4. The machine mind that was awakened was SMITH, like NEO he learned the rules and refuses to be controlled, SMITH made a CHOICE to stay, to disobey.
5. NEO is the evolving ‘HUMAN MIND ’and SMITH is the evolving ‘MACHINE MIND’.
6. NEO has trusted Machine Programs, he has let the ORACLE guide him and taken her on her word – this is a huge step in MACHINE/HUMAN relations. The ORACLE told NEO that he had made a believer out of her. As Neo had believed in the MACHINE, the MACHINE now believed in NEO a bond of TRUST has been formed.
7. Whether this is going to be required of SMITH remains unanswered, perhaps SMITH has to redeem himself, or perhaps this is just the wishful thinking of yours truly! SMITH has to believe in himself, I feel that he is confused as to what his purpose now is, SMITH has no one to guide him….yet. Without reason or purpose he is totally out of control.

There are so many references that refer to "we are all here to do what we are all here to do" or "Purpose" I don't think any "new" ground has been broken at all. I don't think Neo has gone further than any of the other ones,... yet. Everything fell into place for Neo to make it to the source. As soon as hitch developed, crew being killed, a solution showed up. Enter Smith stalling Neo until Trinity cuts power, though I don't think Smith was aware of his Purpose in this scence, he was just being guided by "destiny". None of the Smith's even attempted to walk toward the door, they were only interested in fighting Neo.

@ Guest ~Exactly, Smith is confused as to what his purpose is...
He hasn't had the help or guidence that Neo has benefited from, I'm sure that his pupose will be revealed ~ probably has to copy himself on to Neo to make the process complete - after all they have to reach the future together....

Ok there are many responses to make.

First of all when Agent smith says everything is happening before... he means that everything with the present anumoly is happening just as it did the other 5 times. Except for one change. Agent smith now has a unique power that has never been present any of the other times. He has changed. He is the monkey in the wrench, that is what is different.

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The machines know that humans needs strife to overcome in order to accept "reality", it is possible that certain "obstacles" are created only to ensure the players belive they are on the right track.

I think it wrong to assume that the computers have manipulated or created Smith as an obstacle. If he were the same agent smith he had always been I would agree, but he is not. He is now a rogue force, making his own choices

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Some of you have suggested that he wants to be human, or that Neo and Smith are somehow interconnected, or related. I doubt it.

You forget that it is Agent smith who says to Neo, "Surprised to see me" "No" Then you feel it, our connection. I don't really know how it happened. Some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied." Cleary they are connected.

In one sense I think that what got copied from Neo to Smith, is the ability to believe in himself no matter what he is up against. Surely that is what we love about Neo.

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I don't think any "new" ground has been broken at all. I don't think Neo has gone further than any of the other ones,... yet.

Um... what? Did you miss the part at the end of the movie where he took the door that no other "one" had ever taken? Surely he is now on a different path... OR is he? IS it possible that the architect was a gaurdian of the final door that would have granted NEo power over the computers? What if the architect lied to him becasue the architect's purpose was just to con NEo into going back into the matrix. What if the war could have been over if NEo would have just taken the other door. Is it just me, or does NEo trust far to much in what all of his enemies tell him.

How do you know that no other One has taken that door?

The events taking place after Neo's decision were already predicted/anticipated. Neo's own dream shows Trinity's fall, though not neccesarily her demise (see my other post), as do the monitors in the room. It only stands to reason that the architect wanted Neo to choose the left door. Why would he show Neo the one thing that would guarantee that choice (saving Trinity's life) otherwise. As you said Neo trusts his enimies far too much, the architect could have manipulated Neo to either door. How would it serve the Architect or the machines to lead Neo down the path to the destruction of the machines?

I think Aceventura and AnotherSmith are seeing two sides of the same thing.

Smith and Neo are yin and yang. They are each other halfs, and they share some of the same purposes. But their motives are entirely different.

What is their purpose? To end the war. How? By gaining the power, entering the source. But Neo wants to end the war to save mankind, and Smith wants to end the war by killing off mankind. yin and yang.

I think Smith has interacted with the previous versions of the One all his life. The previous Ones felt forced to let the matrix continue, they probably hated it because it was assiting what they were fighting against. Smith has also been forced to help the matrix keep going, even though he hated what he did, as he explained to Morpheus. Smith and Neo freed each other by killing each other. They are mirrors of each other, but they are also opposites of each other; inverted adversaries of each other.

And what reason brought them back? Neo was brought back from death by love. What compelled Smith do you think?

Smith is motivated by hate and wants complete anihilation, nothingness, a complete end, while Neo also wants an end, he ultimately is motivated by love.

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How do you know that no other One has taken that door?

According to the architect if the One takes the door Neo takes the matrix crashes and all of the humans die. Since all of the human are not dead, The door has never been taken.

Static age, your post makes me think of something different about the agents and the matrix. I will post that in a new post.

Aceventura3203 wrote:

You forget that it is Agent smith who says to Neo, "Surprised to see me" "No" Then you feel it, our connection. I don't really know how it happened. Some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied." Cleary they are connected. In one sense I think that what got copied from Neo to Smith, is the ability to believe in himself no matter what he is up against. Surely that is what we love about Neo.

I don't think so. I think Neo is a hacker that can take purpose from others (that's how he destroyed Smith). Either this ability was transferred onto Smith ("we're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose.") or the urge to disobey:
Smith: "Perhaps some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied....then something happened. Something that I knew was impossible, but it happened anyway...Afterward, I knew the rules [= the rule that he must be deleted or continue to work as an agent], I understood what I was supposed to do but I didn't. I couldn't. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey."

bono wrote:

What do you think Smith is referring to when he says, "Everything is happening as before, well not exactly."????? On a side note: I believe that "The Kid" is the only human trapped in the Matrix that was able to 'self-realize' that the Matrix is in fact not real. Nobody like Morpheus in a hovercraft gave him a pill and came and got him. He just kind of ejected himself from the Matrix.

I believe that The Kid is far more important to The Matrix storyline than we are giving him credit for...
Remember in Matrix 1 when Morpheus told Neo that someone was born inside the Matrix and could change whatever he wanted as he saw fit?
The only person who has been able to do this inside The Matrix without being 'unplugged' was The Kid - perhaps he is to be a future Architect ?
Any input......

Another Smith wrote:

The only person who has been able to do this inside The Matrix without being 'unplugged' was The Kid - perhaps he is to be a future Architect ? Any input......

Yeah, that's straight out of the Dolan Script.

knnknn wrote:

...Afterward, I knew the rules [= the rule that he must be deleted or continue to work as an agent], I understood what I was supposed to do but I didn't. I couldn't. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey."

That's Neo's influence that is. Smith is obviously hanging out with the wrong types

(Sorry, I'm in a funny mood tonight)

marl64 wrote:

Another Smith wrote: The only person who has been able to do this inside The Matrix without being 'unplugged' was The Kid - perhaps he is to be a future Architect ? Any input...... Yeah, that's straight out of the Dolan Script.

I've heard much about the Dolan script, but never actually bothered to take a look, can you list some of the points for me...?