»Oh the irony...Matrix fans are a bunch of Blue Pill takers.«

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Fatpie42 wrote:

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Did Sophia Stewart inspire the story behind the Matrix?
It would be premature at this time for ANYONE to say one way or the other at this time. While I cannot say who DID write the Matrix, I am one among a large list of fans since the end of the lackluster 2nd and 3rd films who says that whomever it was who wrote the first movie it is clear that the Wachowski brothers certainly DID NOT. I say this not simply because up until The Matrix the bros. only cinematic achievements were the disappointing Sylvester Stallone movie "Assassins" and the downright unwatchable "Bound". I don't say this because after hearing an interview with the bros. I became convinced they are avid drug users or in some other way seriously out of touch with reality. I say it because we all saw the first movie and loved it. But when the sequels came out we all noticed they were markedly different from the first. The first movie, contrary to most contentions, was hardly at all about spirituality. Except for a few cryptic statements from Morpheus there was no real mention about spirituality in the film.Were Trinity and Neo black rather than white and if Morpheus were a recruiter for the Nation of Islam I wonder what fans would be saying? (Another interesting aside: Morpheus represents "Zion" rather than "Islam"--2 opposing forces in black militantcy. Coincidence?) What the film DID focus on was the inherent evil of "the system" that has built a "prison for the mind". The first movie was not so much about spirituality as it was about revolution. It advocated outright insurrection. And this, if one chooses to judge the case albeit prematurely,would seem to give credence to Mrs. Stewart's claims. Insurrection has NEVER been a tenet of anyone's "spirituality". But the old black radicals of the 60's and 70's (such as the Nation of Islam and more infamously, Black Panthers) urged people to not be afraid to take action against the "physical force" arm of the government; i.e. cops and soldiers and government agents.
Who are the ONLY people that Neo and Trinity kill in the first movie? Cops, soldiers and government agents.
It is interesting to see how after the sequels to the Matrix were made how people flocked to websites to say that the fact that the sequels were so different and lackluster than the first is some tacit evidence that the Wachowski's didn't write the first movie and that some "poor unknown writer out there somewhere has yet again been cheated by Hollywood". Since the Wachowski's didn't write the first movie, when they were compelled by the studio to write a sequel the total lack of inspiration clearly showed through. They have never even TRIED to explin the symbolism of the movies nor have they ever even given an interview. George Lucas and Jim Cameron have. Why not the W. Bros? Obviously because they knew they could not answer in depth questions (not because they were "leaving us all to interpret it ourselves"--a lame excuse) The Matrix has never been the "lifted" work of a single writer (in my opinion) but an amalgam of several ideas that were "tweaked" but the bros. I refer all of you to the Keifer Sutherland movie "Dark City". A difficult movie to watch but the similarities between it and the Matrix will astound you. A lot of "bad" concepts, from several different sources, "tweaked" by the bros. and combined into the masterpiece called "The Matrix".
Man overrun by machines? I almost didn't watch the first Matrix movie when it came out because I read a summary of the story and was prepared to write it off as a knock off of Terminator. But the similarities between Terminator and Matrix are also striking.
Man defeated by machine. Earth, a barren wasteland. Man forced to go into the past (literally in Terminator, practically in Matrix) to survive. The machines desperately trying to thwart a "savior". Most of humanity totally unaware of the battle that rages between these forces. Jim Cameron claimed to have come up with the Terminator concept while awakening from a dream one night. But if evidence can be found that he spoke to Mrs. Stewart before 1982, his claim will become highly dubious. I am not saying he is guilty or that the Wachowski Brother's are plagiarists. Only a court can determine that. But if the FBI were on the side of the mammoth Warner Bros. studio and claimed that Mrs. Stewart were a con artist trying to perpetrate a fraud would so many of you be fighting the studio? After all, you would say "Surely the FBI can't be wrong. They have obviously seen proof that the studio is right and yet again some huckster is trying to use the legal system to extort money from a good, righteous corporation. Why even have a court hearing?" If the FBI is behind her why doesn't that give her immediate credibility? But I still advise against sending her money except at your own risk . That sounds VERY risky to me.
I have a far better question to ask of those who so doggedly believe the Wachowski's wrote Matrix. Rather than questioning where Mrs. Stewart's script came from why are you not asking why the Wachowski's have yet to come up with ANYTHING even NEARLY as ingenious as the Matrix? Before now the best they could make were pathetic B-movies. Where are their other great works? Surely there must be more where this came from.
"What IS real?" Indeed Morpheus.

Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she felt had been based on her manuscript, ''The Third Eye,'' copyrighted in 1981.

In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers, requesting new sci-fi works.

According to court documentation, an FBI investigation discovered that more than thirty minutes had been edited from the original film, in an attempt to avoid penalties for copyright infringement.

The investigation also stated that ''credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers.''

These witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart's original work and that it had been ''often used during preparation of the motion pictures.'' The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have Stewart's case dismissed, without success.

Source of "Vertigo72"'s info? Sophia Stewart's own site! Good to know it is coming from reliable source!

Umm... from court documents? Hello!

Actually I got it from the Westside Gazette online edition.

I find it interesting that you won't find this ruling any the "mainstream" media sites. Why? Because WB is owned by AOL-Time Warner... who in turn also owns CNN, LA times, NY times, People magazine, Time, Court TV, as well as many other companies.

Vertigo72 wrote:

Actually I got it from the Westside Gazette online edition. I find it interesting that you won't find this ruling any the "mainstream" media sites. Why? Because WB is owned by AOL-Time Warner... who in turn also owns CNN, LA times, NY times, People magazine, Time, Court TV, as well as many other companies.

was it this westside gazette?:

ok, i just read the story on the westside gazette and hate to say it to you man, but their information is wrong.

heres their version (even though its identical to all the other "versions") of the story, released March 9, 2005 (released just a little bit later than everyone else):

I hadn't heard it was proved false... where did you find that at? If it was all a hoax, my apologies.

I've sent an email to the editor of thesmokinggun.com asking for them to research this topic... to see if they can find any court documents related to the case. If anybody can find such items, these folks can.

thesmokinggun.com...

here is one site that gives a disclaimer at the bottom.

allone wrote:

...Ms. Sophia Stewart has not yet won her case against Joel Silver, Time Warner and the Wachowski Bros.

"Not yet" implies foreknowledge of the verdict.

SLC is apparently The Oracle?

This thread is just hilarious

While I slept, an angel of the lord appeared unto me, and she did say,
"Footloosifer, be merciful in thy posts, for thou art mortal too."
And I said,
"But what about Sophia Stewart? Is she not demon spawn, attempting to put an end to creative thought by insisting she was behind it all?"
And the angel said,
"No silly, that's the Christian Church's job."

Vertigo72 wrote:

I hadn't heard it was proved false... where did you find that at? If it was all a hoax, my apologies. I've sent an email to the editor of thesmokinggun.com asking for them to research this topic... to see if they can find any court documents related to the case. If anybody can find such items, these folks can. thesmokinggun.com...

Don't know how old this thread is but the smoking gun is owned by courttv... Courttvs parent company is Warner Bros.

The brilliant philosophical and spiritual aspects never grew past the first film. Sequels were nothing more then a B action flick. The work was completely souless.

It's true, no one can deny that the possibility of plagarism exists. No one but the most rabid of fans, that is. Believing the W Brothers blindly and without question is just as bad as believing Sophia blindly.

footloosifer wrote:

While I slept, an angel of the lord appeared unto me, and she did say, "Footloosifer, be merciful in thy posts, for thou art mortal too." And I said, "But what about Sophia Stewart? Is she not demon spawn, attempting to put an end to creative thought by insisting she was behind it all?" And the angel said, "No silly, that's the Christian Church's job."

Outstanding, so even if you could go in a time machine, and see Sophia actually write the story in the early and mid 80s, see her give the script to the Wachowskis, you would still conclude that she is "demon spawn"... because...?

so what if they stole, borrowed, or took the idea of the matrix. what does it matter. darwin took his theory form other too, he was just the first to finish his book.so what i am really trying to say is....what was i trying to say?i forgot. oh well.

p.s. THE MATRIX HAS YOU

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Rather than questioning where Mrs. Stewart's script came from why are you not asking why the Wachowski's have yet to come up with ANYTHING even NEARLY as ingenious as the Matrix?

Just wanted to have this repeated for the convenience of any who didn't see it the first time.

This is so true!

"Denial is the most predictable of human responses"

I think that everyone has the right to believe in what they want, There are some people in this world, or reality that believe so strongly that the truth is out there that when a red pill oppotunity arised they would take it in a heart beat. (and i am one of these people)

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But when faced with the possible REALITY themselves they'd rather fight tooth and nail for what they know as opposed to being open to what COULD be.

alex_the_droog is right in a scence there are people out there that believe in the truth but when push came to shuv they would rather stay in a world that the felt safe in.

ill give you all a hint....

people who are defending the matrix movie are the smart ones.
forget about reloaded and revolutions, just worry about m1.
people who are defending sophia stewart are against any free will.
this might not make any sense to you, but,

what if the matrix was true, and sophia stewart who was part of the system was trying to put an end to people searching for the answer?

is the matrix real.

THE_FIRST_ONE wrote:

ill give you all a hint.... people who are defending the matrix movie are the smart ones. forget about reloaded and revolutions, just worry about m1. people who are defending sophia stewart are against any free will. this might not make any sense to you, but, what if the matrix was true, and sophia stewart who was part of the system was trying to put an end to people searching for the answer? is the matrix real.

A very good point...

I think some of you people are reading SPECULATION, not FACT in regards to Sophia Stewart.

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Though most people believe that Sophia’s works were stolen based on racial hate, and though Ms. Stewart believes with all her heart that it was not because of racism. In her own words, "the intentions were based on pure greed and nothing else."