»Oh the irony...Matrix fans are a bunch of Blue Pill takers.«

The reason I say this is because while fans and devotees of the films loved the concept of seeking the truth and free choice, and will expound ad nauseum on the philisophical aspects of it. But when faced with the possible REALITY themselves they'd rather fight tooth and nail for what they know as opposed to being open to what COULD be.

This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

When Morpheus posed the choice to Neo about taking the blue pill or the red pill, all Neo had to do was say that this is bullshit and leave the room. Sure the part where they extracted a homing parasite from him gave him reason to think what he was being told COULD be the truth but then he could have been dreaming that just like he though he dreamt the disappearing mouth thing with the agents.

But he kept an open mind and was willing to see IF there was any truth to what he was being told.

This same situation has been presented to Matrix fanatics. The choice of believing whether the Wachowski Brothers wrote an original story or plagiarized it. The scenario is laid out almost the same way. This great movie comes out and entertains the hell out of everyone. Its a great story thats multi-layered and exciting to watch. Everything is going smooth and normal. Then comes the news that MAYBE this great story wasn't the brainchild of two talented directors. MAYBE they STOLE it. Now there are questions.

You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Evidence has been raised and claims have been made. Was the Matrix story plagiarized? According to the courts there is enough evidence to proceed to trial to find out. But many Matrix fanatics have already drawn their own conclusions based on scant facts and surprisingly their own UNwillingness to be open to the possibilities.

I'm not saying that Sophia Stewarts claims are true but its POSSIBLE. And as much as I like the Wachowskis body of work its still POSSIBLE that they stole the concept. The funny part is alot of Matrix fanatics will say things like "even if the WB STOLE the idea they made it better..." That would be analogous to a person in the Matrix saying "so what the computers are enslaving us in virtual reality..its so much better than the real thing anyway..." Both would rather fight to protect the dream rather than risk being exposed to the possible reality.

No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them.

There has been outright scorn and threats made against the person making the claims when the courts haven't even decided whats true. Matrix fanatics would more easily accept the concept of being enslaved in a virtual reality and being presented with the choice to find out whats real rather than being presented with concept that the Wachowskis MAY have stolen someone elses work and finding out if THATS real or not.

Niobe: "What if all this - the prophecy, everything - is bullshit?"
Morpheus: "Then tomorrow we may all be dead, but how would that be different from any other day?

The point Morpheus was making was that if all he has believed turns out to be NOT true then nothing has changed and life goes on (or maybe not in thier case..lol) BUT if its true then they should be prepared for the possibility.

If the courts decide against Sophia Stewart then nothing changes and she's a laughing stock that will fade back to obscurity.

BUT if the courts decide against the Wachowskis... that seems to be the biggest fear for Matrix fanatics.

Whats the fear?
What would happen IF the Wachowskis are exposed as possible frauds?
What negative effect could that have on the industry?

1) You make it seem like the removal of the parasite from his body in the car was the main reason that Neo gave in to entertaining the thought that Morpheus's prattle possible held some truth. That not only takes away from the impact the movie was trying to make, but also from the possible intelligence of the fans. (I really don't know any of you.)

Neo decided to believe him because something inside of him, something that had been there for a considerable amount of time, forced him to consider the fact that what Morpheus was saying could possible be true. The parasite had very little to do with it along wit the no-mouth dream.

It was the splinter in his mind that let him know that everything around him just might be an illusion. I'm willing to believe that the fans of the matrix possess that same ability of sence about their surroundings.

2) Anyone who has existed in this reality for any considerable amount of time has to be open to the fact, on no matter how small a level, that anything's possible.

I'm willing to believe that the fans of the matrix possess that same ability of sence about their surroundings....

Anyone who has existed in this reality for any considerable amount of time has to be open to the fact, on no matter how small a level, that anything's possible

except for the possibility that the Wachowskis could have plagiarized the concept from sophia stewart.

im open to the possibility, but what i am not going to do is believe her blindly.

this isnt 1ad anymore, we live in a time where people need proof and evidence. you cant just go around and make claims and not back them up and expect people to believe you without question.

her "evidence" that she has posted does not convince me.

her websites dont convince me.

if she wants people to take her seriously, then i would go to another website. i mean, when i read her sites, i get offended. i read on her websites that the white man is evil and trying to hold down black america, trying to keep black kids from thinking that anything is possible, trying to steal anything they can from black people just because they are black.

the way i see it, if she wants the fans of the matrix to "wake up" then give us reason to. give us a reason to start doubting (like neo had in the movie before he ever met morpheus). give us something more than two pages of a story that bears no resembence to the matrix at all.

i mean, if she wants us to believe her, then she needs to do a better job in trying to convince us. the way the websites portray everything, i feel that even if i supported her, i would still have a suspicious eye on me all the time...because i am white.

if she wants us to believe her, then maybe she should post another couple of pages, not the entire thing, but pages that actually DO resemble the matrix so that we can see.

what better way would she have to gather up a large number of supporters, than to prove to the die-hard fans? that would make sense to me. that would be the FIRST thing that i would do, because once you get them out of the way and on your side, the rest would be fairly easy.

i am open to the possibility, dont get me wrong. but from everything that i have seen, this far...i have taken in all that i could, read her websites, read her two pages, listened with an open mind. and after all of that, i can only come to one conclusion. until i see for myself something different, something else, then, at this point, i have made a call based on what i know. i know there could be more to it, and when i find out more i can change/modify my opinion....but as of right now, i cannot believe her. sorry.

Well said allone I agree completely

Commander Lock: Dammit, Morpheus. Not everyone believes what you believe.
Morpheus: My beliefs do not require them to.

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this isnt 1ad anymore, we live in a time where people need proof and evidence. you cant just go around and make claims and not back them up and expect people to believe you without question.

Its not a matter of believing what she says is true or not. The case rests on facts only. So far the the courts have accepted her claim and have said there is enough evidence to go to trial. Thats it. From there it will be decided whether the evidence provided will back up her claim or not. Belief has nothing to do with it.

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her "evidence" that she has posted does not convince me. her websites dont convince me.

Its an on going case so any pertinent evidence would only be available to the courts only, this is a jury trial. Any websites with info on the net is subject to only showing a fraction of whats there her's included.

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i mean, when i read her sites, i get offended. i read on her websites that the white man is evil and trying to hold down black america, trying to keep black kids from thinking that anything is possible, trying to steal anything they can from black people just because they are black.

As a black person I can say that sometimes blacks can play the race card with a "boy who cried wolf" effect. But that doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist anymore or has been eradicated in this country or world. There are people that refuse to believe that a black person and especially a black woman could even come up with the concept what do you call that? What if while investigating whether the wachowskis stole her concept she ran into people that told her that to her face? How is she supposed to take that?

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the way i see it, if she wants the fans of the matrix to "wake up" then give us reason to. give us a reason to start doubting (like neo had in the movie before he ever met morpheus). give us something more than two pages of a story that bears no resembence to the matrix at all.

There are a number of people that have seen whats available and think theres some similarity. So its a matter of opinion.

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i feel that even if i supported her, i would still have a suspicious eye on me all the time...because i am white.

huh?

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what better way would she have to gather up a large number of supporters, than to prove to the die-hard fans? that would make sense to me. that would be the FIRST thing that i would do, because once you get them out of the way and on your side, the rest would be fairly easy.

It would seem that true die-hard fans of the movie would keep an open mind and let the courts decide whats true.

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i am open to the possibility, dont get me wrong. but from everything that i have seen, this far...i have taken in all that i could, read her websites, read her two pages, listened with an open mind. and after all of that, i can only come to one conclusion. until i see for myself something different, something else, then, at this point, i have made a call based on what i know. i know there could be more to it, and when i find out more i can change/modify my opinion....but as of right now, i cannot believe her. sorry.

its funny that you've taken everything into consideration BUT the fact that the courts have said she has a legitimate enough claim so far to go to trial. And they would have even more access to info than anyone else.

It would be more in-step with the philosophy of the Matrix to withhold beliefs until all the facts have been considered or at least until the courts final decision.

But seeing as how most die hard fans are biased against the idea that someone else came up with the concept that became the Matrix anyway...There are those that think that IF she did win all it means is that she "beat the system" as opposed to being vindicated in her claims...would you accept or believe it IF the courts decide in her favor?

honestly, (and this is the truth) i dont care who wrote it. the movies have been made, i have seen them, and i liked them. thats that. if she wins, that will not change any of my dvds that i have at home at all. the story will still be the same, they will still have the same characters, themes, ideas and so on. the only thing that will change is this woman will be $600 million dollars richer.

yes, i know racism does still exist. but what people sometimes forget is that racism is not limited to only white people not liking black people.

when i said that i feel as though i would have a "suspicious eye on me" what i meant was...read her websites, look at them, and try to put yourself in a white persons shoes while you read them. do you like reading things that tell you that you are something that you are not? that just because your skin is a certain color you automatically act a certain way? i dont either. her websites seem to come off as anti-white, so because of that, if i support her i will still be under suspicion. (because i am white, and i am not to be trusted, and if i am trusted all i am going to do is stab you in the back and steal something from you and try to tell black kids that they cannot accomplish anything at all)

its a matter of opinion as to the two pages from "the third eye" are similar to the matrix? fine. i can also find similarities in my pants and the matrix too. (they're black! kenneth cole must have ripped the idea off of sophia stewarts book the third eye, because her characters wore black too! or he stole the idea from someone else who made black pants in the past! or he got the idea from the matrix because they wear a lot of black! ) its a matter of opinion.

if its not about believing her, then why does she try to post "facts" to try and convince people. she says that over in europe there are dvds with extra footage on them. um, thats false. she also claims that the day the matrix was released, it was released, then that same day it was recalled and replaced with a version that is 30 minutes shorter. that too, is false.

she says that because there was footage edited out, they are admitting guilt. well, if thats the case, then every single director who has ever directed a movie must be trying to hide something. there is not one movie that has ever been made that has not had something taken out or changed during production...ever. but, because they did change some parts around before release, or took things out that they didnt really like...that means that they are hiding something. i dont think so.

she admits that she doesnt understand parts 2 and 3, and yet she is still trying to collect money from them because she says it is her story...does she not understand her own story?

people sue restaurants because they spilled their coffee on themselves and win. people sue because someone showed part of her breast on television. its america, you can sue anyone for anything, at anytime. just get creative, and through in mental anguish and stress. (those are hard to prove so you can always claim that).

if she wins, so be it. does that change my love for the movies? no, it doesnt. does that mean that she directed them? nope. is she ever going to be heard of again (if) after she wins? probably not.

if she wins its not going to alter history like she claims. (she says that warner bros. is covering this up because they dont want to let people know about her...because it will change history...give me a break)

if the courts decide to give her the money, good. they can do what they want. but because i dont really have faith in the judicial system in america, i wont believe it myself until i can read her story and see for myself the so called similarities.

anyway, this subject bores me. it has been discussed over and over and over again and it will go nowhere at all. the trial isnt even set to begin until july. i have talked about it as much as i care to, i have said all that i have to say about it and dont care to comment any further. it does no good.

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if i support her i will still be under suspicion. (because i am white, and i am not to be trusted, and if i am trusted all i am going to do is stab you in the back and steal something from you and try to tell black kids that they cannot accomplish anything at all)

but to some extend aren't these assertions things that are really happening to her?

-She submitted her story to two white guys and to hollywood (predominately white) who according to her STOLE her concept.

-There has been backlash and statements (some blatant, most implied) that a black person in general and a black woman in particular couldn't possibly have come up with this kind of work. And I'm sure there are many white people that wouldn't hesitate to tell her that personally.

I think those fall under the catagories of mistrust and trying to break a persons spirit. And do you think at this point white people are high up on her list of "people I like"?

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if its not about believing her, then why does she try to post "facts" to try and convince people.

As the old saying goes "a person who represents themselves in a case has fool for a client" This is why lawyers would prefer their clients to shut up. I personally think she should be quiet and let her lawyers and the case speak for itself. While you keep focusing on the things she said what about the other aspects of the case which is the main reason why the courts ok'd it for trial in the first place:

-During an FBI investigation, key pieces of evidence were found establishing Sophia Stewart as writer/author of Matrix.

-Credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers have come forward claiming company executives and lawyers had full knowledge the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski brothers.

-Witnesses also stated the original work of Stewart had been seen, and often used, during preparation of the motion picture.

Thats reason enough to keep an open mind about it until the case is resolved.

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she admits that she doesnt understand parts 2 and 3, and yet she is still trying to collect money from them because she says it is her story...does she not understand her own story?

That doesn't negate the possibility that elements of her concept and characters are in the sequels.

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people sue restaurants because they spilled their coffee on themselves and win. people sue because someone showed part of her breast on television. its america, you can sue anyone for anything, at anytime. just get creative, and through in mental anguish and stress. (those are hard to prove so you can always claim that).

1. what makes common sense to a layman and whats legal sense often times doesn't match up. We've all spilt hot coffee and it never occured to us to sue or we thought it would be to embarrassing to make a big deal about it. Apparently there are people that don't have that problem.

2. Do you really think a multi-billion dollar industry with an army of attorney trained for this types of situation would let a rinky-dink frivolous case get THIS far?

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if she wins its not going to alter history like she claims. (she says that warner bros. is covering this up because they dont want to let people know about her...because it will change history...give me a break)

actually in a sense it would change history.

-Subsequent copies would have to include a credit for her.

-It would validate nearly all the claims she's made about Hollywood and the Wachowskis.

-It would make the Wachowskis virtually the Ashlee Simpsons of the film industy.

-It would prove that a black woman COULD in fact come up with a highly intricate and interesting story concept. Contrary to popular belief.

-It would give Warner Bros. a multi-million dollar black eye.

so lets a see what happens this july..

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im open to the possibility, but what i am not going to do is believe her blindly. this isnt 1ad anymore, we live in a time where people need proof and evidence. you cant just go around and make claims and not back them up and expect people to believe you without question. her "evidence" that she has posted does not convince me. her websites dont convince me. if she wants people to take her seriously, then i would go to another website. i mean, when i read her sites, i get offended. i read on her websites that the white man is evil and trying to hold down black america, trying to keep black kids from thinking that anything is possible, trying to steal anything they can from black people just because they are black. the way i see it, if she wants the fans of the matrix to "wake up" then give us reason to. give us a reason to start doubting (like neo had in the movie before he ever met morpheus). give us something more than two pages of a story that bears no resembence to the matrix at all. i mean, if she wants us to believe her, then she needs to do a better job in trying to convince us. the way the websites portray everything, i feel that even if i supported her, i would still have a suspicious eye on me all the time...because i am white. if she wants us to believe her, then maybe she should post another couple of pages, not the entire thing, but pages that actually DO resemble the matrix so that we can see. what better way would she have to gather up a large number of supporters, than to prove to the die-hard fans? that would make sense to me. that would be the FIRST thing that i would do, because once you get them out of the way and on your side, the rest would be fairly easy. i am open to the possibility, dont get me wrong. but from everything that i have seen, this far...i have taken in all that i could, read her websites, read her two pages, listened with an open mind. and after all of that, i can only come to one conclusion. until i see for myself something different, something else, then, at this point, i have made a call based on what i know. i know there could be more to it, and when i find out more i can change/modify my opinion....but as of right now, i cannot believe her. sorry.

just a few comments...
sophia stewart does not have a web site, only a newly activated message board.

this is an assumption based on the enthusiasm displayed by some of her supporters who do have web sites. some of them insinuate that they operate in conjunction with her, but that is only an insinuation not the actual fact.

using the controversial nature of some of these sites in order to invalidate ms. stewart's statements has its own implications.

[yes, i know racism does still exist. but what people sometimes forget is that racism is not limited to only white people not liking black people]... allone

how white of you... this statement has two obvious interpretations...
in response to the first, more obvious one...
... i do not believe that anyone who has suffered the effects of racism does not immediately empathize with others around them who are violated in the same way. only someone who was fortunate enough not to have that experience, would ever think that those scarred so, would not recognize and identify with others bearing the same scars.
... and the second less obvious...
...racism has nothing to do with one ethnic group (in this case whites) not liking another ethnic group (in this case blacks). it has more to do with believing that someone of that race is inferior by nature and deserving of a different standard of treatment.

this i address here only in the context of how the possible results are viewed on this board. if ms. stewart wins her case the ramifications are staggering...

... any time an internationally operating company is found guilty of theft, and maybe even racqueteering, there ability to do business has the potential of being crippled. even an american company can not afford a loss of face of this magnitude.
... in a rico case, those found guilty get mandatory sentences.
... if the "w" bros did steal this, they could not have acted alone... when tried, who will they implicate.
... does anyone here really believe that a company could do billions of dollars worth of business yearly and not have serious political connections?
... how many people will get fired to recover what could be more than a billion dollar loss?
... who will, and i assure you this is monstrously significant, insure such a company after the fact?

were she white, these points would immediately be recognized. because she is not, many apply a different level of importance to her case.

whether or not one "believes" her, and regardless of our "feelings" about race, if she wins this case, like it or not... the way that this country does business, in respect to the multi-media, will change directly because of the inellect of a black woman... and multi-media companies are of the top revenue producing companies in the world.

... a paradigm shift?

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[yes, i know racism does still exist. but what people sometimes forget is that racism is not limited to only white people not liking black people]... allone how white of you... this statement has two obvious interpretations... in response to the first, more obvious one... ... i do not believe that anyone who has suffered the effects of racism does not immediately empathize with others around them who are violated in the same way. only someone who was fortunate enough not to have that experience, would ever think that those scarred so, would not recognize and identify with others bearing the same scars. ... and the second less obvious... ...racism has nothing to do with one ethnic group (in this case whites) not liking another ethnic group (in this case blacks). it has more to do with believing that someone of that race is inferior by nature and deserving of a different standard of treatment.

how "white" of me? are you just trying to get a reaction out of me?

lets turn that comment around.

if i were to say about someone, "how black of them," or "they are just acting black." would i not be branded and labeled a racist?

about my comment; i dont know where you got your "more obvious" interpretation, as i never said anything about what you interpreted.

i said what i said because a lot of people tend to forget what the deffinition of racism is. anyone, of any race can be a racist...that was what i meant by it.

Whaaat? You're arguing about racism after saying "how white of you"? Bah, just cus you're black doesn't mean you know what racism is. You're arguing that because Sophia Stewart is black and a woman, people are not willing to believe she wrote the Third Eye script befor the Matrix, not once have I heard someone say that. People aren't willing to believe it straight a way because we've been given hardly any evidence, and all this bullshit arguing about racism? Where was the racism, just cus a guy doesn't get a ticket to a soldout concert doesn't mean it happened to him just because he was black and the concert management and band were white. Maybe they did steal her ideas, but it happens all the time and no one hears about it, I mean the Lion King was ripped off a famous anime and you don't hear the makers or Kimba the white lion or their relatives arguing that they did it because they were Japanese. Stop thinking about it in terms of race, colour and gender until there are actually things that prove the thing happened to the person in question BECAUSE of their race or gender.

All this white and black stuff is making me sick. "How white of you", what a silly statement, I'm not even white and I think that's silly. It's like saying "how Mexican of you" to some guy protesting because he was called a gringo.

I'll believe her ideas were stolen when I see the entire Third Eye script and it's similiar enough to the Matrix plot. And if it's as similiar to the Matrix as are all the other books and movies the Matrix is based on, it won't mean anything to me.

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Maybe they did steal her ideas, but it happens all the time and no one hears about it, I mean the Lion King was ripped off a famous anime and you don't hear the makers or Kimba the white lion or their relatives arguing that they did it because they were Japanese.

No it seems disney ripped off Kimba the White lion because it was in limbo as far as rights and ownership limbo...

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how many times are we going to have to put up with your inane babbling alex

look at what it put in front of you and make your judgements on that...

the wachowski's made a trilogy of films plus a spin off anime dvd and have a website and comics based on their work

sophia stewart has a few pages of a very badly written story that has no resemblance to the matrix

yet the people who are skeptical of her claims are "in denial" or "unwilling to accept"...or whatever other baseless garbage you seem to be fabricating in your tiny mind

all anyone has done on this site is tell it like it is...she has proven nothing...so it seems that you sre the one who is living in a dream world

so fuck off and dont come back

If you do then ban me or boot me off otherwise motherfuck you and the pig you rode in on.

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If you do then ban me or boot me off otherwise motherfuck you and the pig you rode in on.

THATS RIGHT!

ANOMALY, LET HIM EXPRESS HIS OPINION! FOR FUCKING FUCK'S SAKE YOU JACK SMACK!

BigMista wrote:

alex_the_droog wrote: If you do then ban me or boot me off otherwise motherfuck you and the pig you rode in on. THATS RIGHT! ANOMALY, LET HIM EXPRESS HIS OPINION! FOR FUCKING FUCK'S SAKE YOU JACK SMACK!

Now THAT"S irony. Anybody who doesn't get what I'm saying, I'm sorry.

Everybody can't be bullshitting.. this is an interesting website for aspiring writers and filmmakers to check out:

The first point to be made is that at first I did not know that Sophia Stewart was black, nor did I really care.

The second point is that the only way I found out was by somebody alleging that the patriarchal, white (perhaps Jewish) Hollywood had screwed her. This reminded me of when I sat in on an equity committee meeting at university and there was a girl complaining of discrimination because of her ethnic identity: I didn't know her ethnic background until she whined at me about it.

The third point is that the most unlikely of copyright infringement suits can be won and, after the fact, seem plausible if not reasonable in light of an examination of the material in question.

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The second point is that the only way I found out was by somebody alleging that the patriarchal, white (perhaps Jewish) Hollywood had screwed her. This reminded me of when I sat in on an equity committee meeting at university and there was a girl complaining of discrimination because of her ethnic identity: I didn't know her ethnic background until she whined at me about it.

About the race card issue...
Sometimes POC (people of color) cry race like the boy who cried wolf (i said chicken little earlier but this is a better analogy) but that doesn't mean the wolf's not out there. And while white people are clearly tired of hearing about it. They also haven't been subject to systematic racism on the same level as POC. ALLONE said that he was insulted by her gross assertions of racism. I was just pointing out possible reasons she would make them or feel that way. We don't know what that woman's been through or who she's talked to to make her feel that way. I think it would be erroneous to assume she's making it up considering that its not disputed that she had made contact with people in hollywood.

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Finally, and this point has been made before, if the Stewart camp was not so secretive about the screenplay for Third Eye, the public would be more open to the idea that it was the original "Matrix".

Personally I wish she would keep her mouth shut and let the case speak for itself. There's no point in trying to garner public support because thats not going to influence the courts anyway. Also as it was pointed out before at its core its just a run of the mill lawsuit (which is why media attention and "elite black" support isn't there). The only people that would care one way or the other are matrix fans.

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The whole scenario doesn't make sense to me. Once the trial starts then I can get a better feel for it.

speaking as an attorney what doesn't make sense to you?
and if you were her attorney how would you handle the case?

alex_the_droog wrote:

If you do then ban me or boot me off otherwise motherfuck you and the pig you rode in on.

that wasnt a pig i rode in on...it was your filthy whore of a mother

BigMista wrote:

alex_the_droog wrote: If you do then ban me or boot me off otherwise motherfuck you and the pig you rode in on. THATS RIGHT! ANOMALY, LET HIM EXPRESS HIS OPINION! FOR FUCKING FUCK'S SAKE YOU JACK SMACK!

always do...but does the dumb fuck have to express the same opinion in every thread

do people with his opinion need to perpetuate bullshit reasons that no one on this site that is skeptical of sophia stewart has ever expressed

we keep being refered to "close minded" "blue pills" and even the classic "racist"

i'd like to know who and where..certainly ive never expressed a racist opinion

is it my fault that there is no evidence been shown to back up her case?...no...

so until that changes...im right and all you sophia loving twats are wrong

I think, Allone, scorpio666 and the others covered up most of the things you say Alex.

I read your posts and i dont think you have accurately assesed what people think HERE. Perhaps your posts are based on what OTHER people say, other fans say.

Other than perhaps some extreme views here and there, almost everyone here, has really been carefull with the subject. All that has been said, is that noone liked this case. But not because we're racists, or closed-minded. Only because it doesnt "smell" right. The is no evidence and months passed by. There's much fuss,and nothing solid.

Also i noticed that you avoided comments on some good points made by Allone, and mostly focused on a race issue.

I also learned that she was black, a lot later. I had formed my (preliminary) opinion on the case assuming she was white. I think others did too.

And i dont think that MOST people (as you said) dont believe a black woman could come up with a good idea. That is just YOUR evaluation. If we could make a worldwide poll, i think you'd be surprised.

And by the way, it WOULDNT be her idea, or a new idea. The idea of the Matrix is older and it exists in various books with various twists and flavours.

What i see here, in this forum, is one side evaluating negatively the moves of this woman (because lets face it, she has shown nothing but shouts a lot), and the other side, a group of people that preassure us, with acuses of racisms, idiocy, closed-mindness, etc, ....and once provided with valid arguments...you run off to the (weak argument) "if it goes to court it MUST be something" , and "we must wait and see" (which aplies to both sides).

I have heard some really really really really really ridiculous cases being won in the US, so dont think the system is flawless or just.

After all, the pisture of blacks, protesting about racism of the system and the people on one hand, ...and showing adamant faith in the court now for Sophia, ....doesnt match.

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that wasnt a pig i rode in on...it was your filthy whore of a mother

choke on a dick asshole. like i said if you don't like then DO something about otherwise shut the fuck up and leave the thread alone.

the anomaly wrote:

always do...but does the dumb fuck have to express the same opinion in every thread

apparently your dumbass is checking every thread so you must be putting your opinion there too.

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do people with his opinion need to perpetuate bullshit reasons that no one on this site that is skeptical of sophia stewart has ever expressedwe keep being refered to "close minded" "blue pills" and even the classic "racist" i'd like to know who and where..certainly ive never expressed a racist opinion is it my fault that there is no evidence been shown to back up her case?...no...

1. I NEVER said that anyone on this site is racist. So that must be your guilty fucking conscious.
2. If you never said anything racist about her then I'm not talking about you so SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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so until that changes...im right and all you sophia loving twats are wrong

anyone can be skeptical. Hell i have my reservations about it. I'm just saying anything is possible and i'm going to reserve judgment until its decided by the court. [/quote]