»My own ideas about the Matrix 1 ending after Matrix 3«

I was thinking while stuck in road works, and I seem to remember Morpheus stating

Quote:

You believe it to be the year 1999, when it is close to 2199

Which implies that Neo was freed sometime in February, backed up by the trademark February gray skies. That would put it into a seven month window.

We don't know how long after his liberation he waits until he sees the Oracle, but it'd probably be his first time into the Matrix. Leaving about six months to do the Animatrix, and the 3 days of the sequels.

Some think Neo is dead, because A) Smith destroyed him, and B) He was unplugged. But he was unplugged in Mobil Ave, was he not? That's why I think Neo is not dead, thus can make the phone call

-Scep

I go back and forth whether Neo is dead or not. I actually watched M3 today and I'm back to him not being dead. Before the last gold code shot is shown they show Neo laying there just like at the end of M2. He could just be in a deep coma and his mind trapped in Mobil Ave. It's very possible he is in Mobil Ave and it's very possible he's dead. Which one he is that's a choice I leave up to you.

Where did you get this idea that he was freed in February?

Morpheus' quote (Neo believes it to be 1999). Plus the fact that there's a 6 month time gap, and the Mid-September call brings me to the theory that he was freed in the "Winter Months". A key point is that the film is probably set in the mid-Northern Hemisphere (i.e USA, Canada, Europe).

Also, during the freeway scene, the cars drive on the right, and in ANZ, they drive on the left (probably because of their status as a Commenwealth country). Basically, all the developed countries in the Southern Hemisphere drive on the left.

You also have a clear sun at the end of M3, and you don't get clear suns often in winter, putting the end of M3 in summer, which seems right, the trees are also green, which doesn't happen until April

Sceptre wrote:

Morpheus' quote (Neo believes it to be 1999). Plus the fact that there's a 6 month time gap, and the Mid-September call brings me to the theory that he was freed in the "Winter Months". A key point is that the film is probably set in the mid-Northern Hemisphere (i.e USA, Canada, Europe). Also, during the freeway scene, the cars drive on the right, and in ANZ, they drive on the left (probably because of their status as a Commenwealth country). Basically, all the developed countries in the Southern Hemisphere drive on the left. You also have a clear sun at the end of M3, and you don't get clear suns often in winter, putting the end of M3 in summer, which seems right, the trees are also green, which doesn't happen until April

First of all, where did you get the 6th month time gap? Are you relating the timing in the movies to the timing in real life? And about The Sunset - Sati made that for Neo.

Sceptre wrote:

We don't know how long after his liberation he waits until he sees the Oracle, but it'd probably be his first time into the Matrix. Leaving about six months to do the Animatrix, and the 3 days of the sequels.

- Neo was in The Matrix during The Animatrix Episode with Michael Popper A.K.A "The Kid".

Sceptre wrote:

Morpheus' quote (Neo believes it to be 1999). Plus the fact that there's a 6 month time gap, and the Mid-September call brings me to the theory that he was freed in the "Winter Months". A key point is that the film is probably set in the mid-Northern Hemisphere (i.e USA, Canada, Europe). Also, during the freeway scene, the cars drive on the right, and in ANZ, they drive on the left (probably because of their status as a Commenwealth country). Basically, all the developed countries in the Southern Hemisphere drive on the left. You also have a clear sun at the end of M3, and you don't get clear suns often in winter, putting the end of M3 in summer, which seems right, the trees are also green, which doesn't happen until April

Okay, now I understand.

The only thing I can say is that it may not have been only six months in between the original Matrix, and Reloaded. I say this because Neo's hair is longer in Reloaded, but this could have happened over the course of a year. You can't say it has been only six months because there is no clear way of pinpointing. Take in to account the damage the Neb took at the end of the first Matrix, and how much time it would have taken to repair it.

As far as scenes with the freeway, and the trees at the end of Revolutions, remember that these scenes take place in the matrix, not in the real world. So there is no real way of telling time with the matrix as a reference, especially after it reloads.

at the start of M1 when you hear the conversation with cypher and trinity, and you see the screen that is tracing the call, it gives a month and year. i think it read feb. 1998.

i might be wrong, but thats what i remember.

You're right about that. I remember this being discussed in another thread. It starts off @ 2/19/98 and at the end of the movie it says 9/18/99, 19 months later. So it's been almost two years at the point of which Reloaded begins.

Well the phone call date doesn't mean much. It could've been a while before they actually picked him up. It says theyve been watching for a while. In an interview it says M2 is about 6 months later, but htat was what Laurence said, so who knows. Point is, abunch of people think the M1 ending is after M3 becasue of this. But not me.

Darius wrote:

Well the phone call date doesn't mean much. It could've been a while before they actually picked him up. It says theyve been watching for a while. In an interview it says M2 is about 6 months later, but htat was what Laurence said, so who knows. Point is, abunch of people think the M1 ending is after M3 becasue of this. But not me.

Yeah, I don't buy that at all.

If it's six months after then that means it has been two years since Neo was first freed. But that's just speculation.

In my opinion we cannot use the dates within the Matrix because If you remember the Animatrix, they mentioned whenever the system was reset (I think) the dates changed. Meaning one time it might be in the 1990's and another time it might be in the 1940's (like A detective Story.)

Also when you say Morpheus says, "It's closer to the year 2199" that's a pile of bull. He has no clue what year it is because according to the machine Zion was destroyed over five times. But the humans do not know that, and probably think they just lost the initial war to the machines, when in fact they lost the wars centuries ago.

So we'll never know what year it is in the real world, and the years in the Matrix change whenever the machines decide to change them.

Also, NEO is dead. They dragged his body away and he was motionless. Dead, Dead, Dead

MagiK_11 wrote:

Also when you say Morpheus says, "It's closer to the year 2199" that's a pile of bull. He has no clue what year it is because according to the machine Zion was destroyed over five times.

That's exactly right....

I wasn't exactly pointing out the "closer to 2199", I was pointing out that Neo thought it was 1999 :S

Sceptre wrote:

I wasn't exactly pointing out the "closer to 2199", I was pointing out that Neo thought it was 1999 :S

He thought that because in the matrix, before his mind was freed, it was 1999. Like Smith said, this version of the matrix was designed to look like the peak of human civilization.

how is ,99 the "peak of civilization"
,99 SUCKED
there wasn't even bluetooth or N-Gage

Hacker777 wrote:

how is ,99 the "peak of civilization" ,99 SUCKED there wasn't even bluetooth or N-Gage

I shall write this in php

<?php
$ngage="peakofcivilisation";
if ($ngage="peakofcivilisation)
{
destroy("World");
create("Matrix");
}
?>

Heres a argument for M1 ending after M3: The SSH exploit. It was fixed in 99. And it wouldnt be good for a power plant to keep open an exploit for over three months, would it?