»I believe NEO is the ANTI-CHRIST and Smith is Christ«

This will take much, much time, but I believe this site and this forum is the place to discuss.

After reading many posts from this site, I feel this site has some of the deepest thinkers around that embrace theory without resistance. May I first ask that my thoughts not be judged for I only look to present ideas for reflection. This theory also requires a basic knowledge of bible prophecy as it relates to the rise of the Anti-Christ of Revelations.

Noone can deny the resemblance of the story to the Christian story of the bible, but is it really that simple?

I'll start simply with a few observations (not my beliefs) and elaborate in detail later.. Let's just throw out a few to get started...

--The Antichrist is aided into power by a religious leader known as the False Prophet.
--The Antichrist suffers a mortal wound and survives.
-- Agent Smith is duplicating and creating a "God-Like" race...
-- "He fights for us" - Morpheus... Neo fights for man.
-- At the end, the Smiths are removed from the planet just as the Christians are to be removed in the plan of the Anti-Christ.

The Antichrist is aided into power by a religious leader known as the False Prophet. Could this be the relationship of Neo and the Oracle?

The Antichrist suffers a mortal wound and survives. Isn't that what Neo did in Matrix 1 at the hands of Smith?

Agent Smith is duplicating and creating a "God-Like" race... The Christian faith asks that you allow GOD to take control, and become more Christ like. Looking around this world, many have allowed themselves to be overcome by this spirit of Christ and Neo's acceptance at the end of revolutions is the final step of man becoming God and ushering in the new heaven.

"He fights for us" - Morpheus... Neo fights for man. The Bible of the Christian faith depicts man and the flesh in constant oppositiion with the spirit. The entire backbone of the Christian faith is to deny the self, whereas many believe that to deny the self is to cut off the God head. I see Neo fighting for us is a direct relation to Satan of the Bible tempting man to accept his God hood.

At the end, the Smiths are removed from the planet just as the Christians are to be removed in the plan of the Anti-Christ. Do the Wach brothers really promote Christianity or are they promoting the EXTERMINATION of the Christian believers, which many believe is necesary to proceed to the next step of spiritual evolution. The belief that the resistance and lack of acceptance that God lies within from the Christian standpoint is stubborness and inevitably delays a purification of mind, body and spirit. "Everything that has a beginning has an end".

Lets stop with those as I've went too far already...

This discussion is a slippery slope. If there IS a "last days" as the Christian faith believe, will the Christians be looked at as the problem or the solution? Will this supposed "Anti-Christ" be viewed as the solution or the problem? If there is an Anti-Christ, could he be perceived as "a FAN of MAN?" (Neo)

To talk about a RISE of an ANTI-CHRIST is hard to believe at first, I mean, come now, who in their right mind (besides Satan worshipers) would actually worship Satan? Where does this come from? Are they born with it as an illness or could there be a TWIST to their thinking that leads them to believe that SATAN is the good guy and that GOD is the bully.. ? Hard to believe people would believe that right?

Remember, Satan loves vanity, the Satan of the bible is
wicked, but he presents himself on man's side, not Gods. Could this same Satan have been outcast from Heaven for choosing man over God? Would people really believe that if showed signs of miracles and wonders?

The reason I dove into this discussion of Satan is to look deeper at who Neo is. Everyone loves to discuss Neo's apparent symbolism to Christ, but this theory requires a basic understanding of bible prophecy.

This just scrapes the surface. Lets discuss more tomorrow.

I agree that relating neo to christ and relating the movies to the bible at all is ridiculous. Thanks, smith is Christ.

ah, i have heard this theory before

some other things to think about

the matrix is the garden of eden

the red pill is the fruit (from the tree of knowledge, take the fruit, gain knowledge, leave the garden)

oracle is the devil- tempting people to do what she wants them to

architect is god- "godly" beard, wears white, "father" of the matrix, creator

there are some other things to go along with this theory, i dont remember them all...its another interesting way to interpret things...kinda puts a strange twist on it all.

And Smith is the Midgard Serpent which grew so large that it encircled the Earth snd could bit it's own tail which, metaphorically, is what Smith did when he cloned himself onto everyone in the Matrix.

At Ragnarok, Thor and the Serpent kill each other. In Revolutions, both Neo and Smith appear to be destroyed.

The other name for Ragnarok is Gotterdammerung. The music score during the final battle between Neo and Smith is titled Neodammerung.

The basic flaw in this theory, however, is that Neo took the Logos to the Machine city and not the Hammer (Mjolnir).

But then again, having Roland as captain of the Hammer doesn't really make any sense either. Roland was the nephew of Charlemagne (Charles the Great), the latter of whom succeeded the Merovingian dynasty as king of the Franks (actually, Charlemagne's father sidelined the last Merovingian before taking over and ruling for about 18 years and then passing the crown to Charlemagne) and then went on to become the first Holy Roman Emperor. Roland becomes one of the greatest Paladins and weilds the sword Durandal rather than a hammer.

this is a very interesting theory. but i'd have to agree that the architect is like god, and the oracle could be satan (or possibly the merovingian, with persephone being the wife of hades, as in religion says). However, its still debatable which is which between neo and smith. sure, smith could be christ and neo in the image of anti-christ, but we also know that not everyone in the real world believes in neo like some of the counselors and staff in Zion, who denounced him in the council chamber. besides, we also dont know if smith's ability to replicate himself actually meant what the anti-christ would do by giving people "the mark of the beast," so in a sense, it's rly just not that simple to decide which is which between the two. perhaps its something you'd have to ask the W. bros.

and one more thing, i found it interesting how in the end of the 3rd movie, neo is carried off in the position as christ would be from being put up on the cross. perhaps i'm wrong and its just a coincidence, but isn't it interesting...?

theson wrote:

I agree that relating neo to christ and relating the movies to the bible at all is ridiculous.

Of course.. I agree

As Neo means new, Neo can have no mention in the Bible or must be a misunderstood character of the Bible. Besides.. comparing Neo to the antichrist isn't useful unless you have a good understanding of how the antichrist opperates which is very different than Neo.

Just my two testicles.

--TheCause

I type: Just my two c-e-n-t-s and it puts testicles.

LOL!

--TheCause

Really? I'm going to try that. testicles

I think that comparing the Matrix to several different religious/mythological theories is ridiculous in and of itself, not just the bible. We can find similarities to just about every major religion if we look hard enough.

The key to finding constant religious symbolism, I guess, is to limit yourself. Close your mind, etc. Only look for similarities to ONE set of theological principles. Once you've discovered which one you want to compare it to, STUDY it thoroughly. Whether it be Christianity, Islam, Bhuddism, Greek/Roman, Norse or Assyrian mythology, make sure you know not just ENOUGH about it, but fill yourself with actual KNOWLEDGE rather than conjecture. THEN compare what you've found to every single aspect of the movies, overlooking nothing. At that point, you will be ready to make an educated statement about religious symbolism in the Matrix. Those are my two c.e.n.t.s.

Your guess about the anti-Christ and other shit is very close to the actual symbolism.

What very few know outside certain circles of Hollywood writers and science fiction writers is the actuall source of these ideas, those used in Matrix, and other such movies.

Hasn't anyone taken notice of all the religious themes in many science fiction movies or fantasty shows?

These people would kill me if they knew what I was about to reveal to the readers here.

Let me introduce you to the secret source of many ideas :

hrmm... what about Neo bringing the logos to the machine city... isn't that what christ is supposed to do in revelations. Bring "the word" down here to earth? And isn't Smith the harvenger of death here? Revelations also speaks of christ sealing satan and his anti-christ in some location (most of us would probably call it hell) and then reigning on earth for 1,000 years in peace before unsealing satan and anti-christ for the final battle so to speak. Then the whole "it is done" thing which is supposedly what christ himself said in some form or another upon his death, which is strangly uttered by the machine in this case.

Interesting stuff, but I think it's a rather limited interpretation.

To sum up Smith....

I am Legion, for we are many.