»How would the fourth movie go, really«

Despite all the fantasies in here about tasty wheat, sati, smith is the one, and all that, here are the facts at the end of the third movie:

1. zion is saved, temporarlily, we don't know for how long.

2. The humans now know that the one was just another form of control and that the machines can attack at any time and destroy them.

3. The machines no longer have 'the one' system.

It won't be a happy movie, looks like. I don't have any ideas on to how it make it good.

theson wrote:

2. The humans now know that the one was just another form of control and that the machines can attack at any time and destroy them.

how do you know this?

Neo only tells Morpheus and whoever was in the same room that the prophecy was all another form of control...not all of Zion.

As far as the rest of the people in Zion are concered...those who believed in the prophecy...might still believe it, all they know is that the war ended, which the prophecy said the one would do. and he did. they do not know that it may start up again, because all they saw was, machines closing in about to destroy them all...then they stop and retreat without reason. the only reason why this happens that they probably can think of is that Neo ended the war...because there was a prohpecy claiming this. (and the kid runs off screaming that Neo did it, to everyone at the end)


true, he may have only temporarily ended the war, but who all besides Morpheus and the couple that were in that room know that the prophecy was all just another form of control? and there is only one part of the prophecy that did not come true...how did it go? something like "once the one reaches the door, the war will end"...and it could have had Neo chose the other door.

on top of that, if the people were to find out that the prophecy was false, do you think they will believe that? or will they still believe that the prophecy was true...which came true in the end. the one ended the war...

but as far as a part 4 goes, the story continues in MxO...and something tells me that in the continuation of this story, we will see Morpheus upset/angry that the machines have not returned Neos body. because he, and probably a lot of other people in Zion, see Neos remains as a "holy relic". this may cause a lot of tensions that may lead to some other things...

"I have dreamed a dream, but now that dream has gone from me" Morphius also distrusted the oracle passionately after the arcitect scene. We don't know if neo is alive, but if he isn't how could he hail the destruction of the matrix?, part of the b.s. prophecy. And if he is alive, we know he doesn't believe in the prophesy, and people would take his word for what he saw in the arcitects room.

the story is continued in MxO, here is a quote from the guy who is writing the script for it...

Paul Chadwick wrote:

It's a short period after the end of Matrix Revolutions. There's a truce, but nobody knows how long it'll last. People cheat, Exiles make mischief, and the Machines try surreptitious Means of Control. Morpheus is incensed that the Machines won't return Neo's remains -- why are they keeping them? For him, and others, they're a holy relic, as sacred as Christ's bones would be to Christians. He vows to make trouble until they're returned. It sets off repercussions. --- The story isn't over. It's just messier from here on. I may perhaps overstrain the Neo/Christ analogy in pointing out things get strange and interesting after a savior passes. Look at Christianity: the persecution by the Romans, the conversion of Emperor Constantine, church schisms, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Reformation. Similarly, there are plenty of stories to tell within the Matrix concept, and philosophical implications yet to explore. It remains relevant as long as computers and electronic images rule our lives, which looks like forever.

the interview can be found here:

Don't you think they'll go to the oracle to find out what happened? Don't you think they'll see that Smith is dead in the matrix? I think Neo's alive anyway, because how could have the smith ordeal have killed him? You'd have to explain your theory, but my theory is that when he destroyed Smith he was simply tired. Smith was destroyed, neo won, and it's pure matrix mumbo jumbo. That's all smith was. Neo stopped sentinalls and lived. In Burly Brawl he was able to free himself. He negated the equation, and neo has a nack of living through near death. If Smith does not take over neo, one would think Neo is alive, just weak.

I want to believe that Neo is alive and I did for awhile. Until I bought the Ultimate Matrix on dvd and watched the featurettes. They show Keanu Reeves shooting that scene when he is being carted off in Revolutions. The director told Keanu it's a sharp energy going thru then he says then you die.

Now if I'm making the fourth Matrix Neo would be alive stuck in Mobil Ave once again. Of course Morpheus, Niobe and Ghost would consult the Oracle. They'd find out where he's at and take a trip to see Merv. Once again Merv only wants the "eyes of the Oracle" in exchange for Neo. The Oracle gives her eyes to Merv and he becomes so powerful he threatens the system. The machines at first wouldn't want to let Neo's 'real world' body go. But once they saw Merv was a threat to the Matrix by making homicidal exile programs that kill people still plugged into the Matrix, the machines would relinquish Neo to Morpheus. Neo jacks in does what we all know he can do (kick anyone's butt) and saves the day. Of course the action sequences would be revolutionary and intense and have everyone on the edge of their seat.

One last question. How many people are gonna get the MxO game?
Just wondering my computer isn't equipped for it.

Jermaine101 wrote:

One last question. How many people are gonna get the MxO game? Just wondering my computer isn't equipped for it.

...playing it right now.

Yo if you can give a brother some of the details of the story line so I can continue the story as well!

allone wrote:

Jermaine101 wrote: One last question. How many people are gonna get the MxO game? Just wondering my computer isn't equipped for it. ...playing it right now.

YEAH, GIVE US SOME DETAILS FROM THE PLOT,PLZ!

we're fucked!

i would like to think that if a fourth movie were ever to be made (highly unlikely) it would be about the re-emergence of smith. Why would he re-emerge? simple, the architect basically told neo that he is the result of people not being able to be freed from the matrix, and the oracle informed him that smith is his opposite, if smith therefore is the opposite of neo that would make him the result of people choosing to stay in the matrix, since the equation would be expressed in that way, that would mean he could return to life, but neo would not since people are willingly leaving the matrix under the terms of the treaty established by neo and the machines in the last movie. The question from there would be, "how do our hero's stop smith?", most likely something would happen that shakes the peace between the humans and the machines, forcing the machines to take drastic measures and re-nig on the treaty, meaning that neo would eventually show up, but since he's just another measure of control, how do they break free of that cycle once again since only neo and trinity knew that it was his love for her and her love for him that helped neo make his world altering decision to re-enter the matrix and not to return to the source. This could open up new possibilities for twists in plot and what not. personally, that's just what i'd do if i were making a second matrix trilogy.

oh, and for the record i do think neo died at the end of the last movie, how else would smith have died?

also, i like certain bits of the idea mentioned above of the merv making a grab for power within the matrix, combine that somehow with my idea and you'd have a bitchin series on your hands (i think so anyway) [/img]

Morpheus is the leader of the resistance, going about the business of freeing minds. Of course the machines have the upper hand, because most people cannot even fathom the concept of a "Matrix". It is a frustrating time for the Zionese. They won the battle, but they are losing the war. They begin to lose faith and start worshiping golden cows and such.

Morpheus seeks the advice of the Oracle. She sees the resistance is losing steam, and that the dwindling faith of the free humans threatens to undo all she has worked so hard for. The Oracle is growing tired, and, realizing there is just one more thing that she is "meant to do", she makes the ultimate sacrifice. She presents herself to the Architect and offers an exchange - her for the people’s Savior, Neo.

Neo, of course, has fulfilled his role of “the One”, so his "powers" are no longer a threat, whereas the Oracle's are. The machines agree to the exchange. But before giving herself up for deletion, the Oracle gives her eyes to Morpheus for safekeeping (ha ha, didn't see that coming, did you, machines?). Morpheus, of course, gives them to Neo, because he didn't have any of his own last time we saw him, as you might remember.

Now Neo is the Oracle. He can use his power to help lead the resistance (and, of course, he still knows a little jujitsu when his ability to fully comprehend his foresight fails him).

Meanwhile, the Merv finds out about this and, of course, wants the eyes of the Oracle. But he cannot take them, they can only be given. And what does the Merv have to negotiate with? Well, a resurrected Trinity, of course! He arranges an exchange, the eyes of the Oracle for the beloved Trinity.

Yes, the Merv plots betrayal and a diabolical end for them, but lo and behold, Persephone, a believer in true love, sabotages the Merv and releases Trinity.

Passionate reunion ensues. Huge rave dancing celebration.

(Is Neo dead at the end of Matrix 3? I submit it doesn’t matter. The machines, concerned over their “agreement” to “release those who want out”, have already begun developing technology to reanimate existing “copper-tops” or whatever [insert theory here], regardless, they did have the bodies of both of them at the end of Revolutions and no one can be sure that Trinity was dead either.)

The machines, of course, realize that the Resurrected Neo/Oracle now unbalances their advantage in the “stay in the Matrix/don’t stay in the Matrix” equation. The Architect must rebalance the equation.

Solution?

Why, Smith. Of course.

Dramatic music.

Fade to Black

Scroll Credits.

I like it, but how did the merv get trinity

Merv would have to cut some sort of deal and use his influence and connections to negotiate with the machines to resurrect her, and then take possession of her. All a part of his attempt to bring a rebalance to the machines, which is, after all, the source of his power.

i get it now. how about writing a matrix 5, working title matrix reclaibrated?

Give me an outline. Does it involve hippos?

or kangaroos whatever tickles your fancy?

I do see a great scene in Zion where hippos in pink tu-tu's dance in celebration, twirling madly to the beat of a heavy metal/emo band. And the kangaroos all talk like Jar Jar Binx!

bizzare?

i reckon it would be a good idea to make the 4th matrix about the man born inside the matrix.
it should include his life, and how he rose to power.
after all. 4 is the number of creation.

does anybody else think this is a good idea?

but in china or japan the number 4 is to do with the devil.

but i am talking about the biblical number 4 from the bible.
the 4 winds of creation.

so am not allowed to make my point?

but what i am saying is that the matrix movie is built on biblical numbers.
you do have a point about the chinese connection to it.
as the matrix is built on chinese symbolism.
and you just opened my eyes up to something.

the next matrix movie could be the matrix starting all over again,and it could be that the machines have thrown their truce with man.
which means that the next matrix movie could be the start of a new matrix, with the man born inside in the 7th version of the matrix. who knows