»blue sky«

At the end of the trailer of Revolutions (at 2:14 ) you can see a vessel in wich the ppl flew around in the underground caves. BUT you see it flying above the ground, with a smoke trail behind it like it's bursting out of the earth into the air??

How is that possible? Those vessels where not in the matrix world only in zion (maybe also matrix but you get the point).

If the vessel is from zion, that means there is no black sky, what means the battery-theorie is a lie, and there may never have been black.

Maybe it proves there never has been, wich would lead to the question: was there ever a war with machines??

What dou you think??

On second tought,

it is of course also possible that the ship didn't flew out the ground, but out the dark clouds.... i dunno

I too saw the clear sky, but the only problem is that Morpheus and company have been "out of the" Matrix for "100 years". One would think they would have seen the sky was okay.

Just being devil's advocate.

A lot of us here believe that shot is above the black clouds...

when i watch the ship in the sky clip i see the blue sky, but right before the clip ends, it looks like you see clouds at the bottom of the screen. my take is that the ship is just flying above the clouds

The only issue I have with "being above" the clouds is that there are clouds above the black clouds.

That would really be unfeasible. I would assume the machine's that contain the humans have to be massively tall. At least as tall as some of our taller buildings... so, the cloud cover must be higher than our tallest buildings...

That doesn't leave much room for clouds above the clouds.

Again, just being devil's advocate, as I don't have an opinion on it.

but i don't feel the brothers would do anything to contradict any of the animatrix episodes especially second renasonce parts 1 and 2 they are the history of the matrix.

SirReef wrote:

The only issue I have with "being above" the clouds is that there are clouds above the black clouds. That would really be unfeasible. I would assume the machine's that contain the humans have to be massively tall. At least as tall as some of our taller buildings... so, the cloud cover must be higher than our tallest buildings... That doesn't leave much room for clouds above the clouds. Again, just being devil's advocate, as I don't have an opinion on it.

why can't there be layers of clouds? we have them now.
i think i'm missing what you're saying.

Could it be that the machines have cleaned up part of the sky?

"There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. "

0x587e1a2c wrote:

why can't there be layers of clouds? we have them now. i think i'm missing what you're saying.

I guess anything is possible, but I think it would contradict most of what I understand about clouds. (which isn't much)

Ogami Itto wrote:

Could it be that the machines have cleaned up part of the sky? "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. "

See, I like this. I would like the idea of the Matrix being a holdover for us. Something both sides agreed to. A symbiotic relationship.

Sir Reef.

In one of the Animatrix episodes we see like the head of the machines ordering the humans to live in the matrix... then again, it was an order so maybe not an agreement... I'll shut up now

BTW that was me

But what about the barcode being signed on the document? What does that mean?

I kind of got the impression that the machines saved New York for last, so they could go in the UN building, and give man's civilization a final statement/bitchslap for irony's sake.
"Surrender your flesh. something, something something."

Like, "your time is over MEATBAGS." Then BooBaKow!

The barcode might say something like, "This council of nations is now obselete." Or something.

I found it strange that they seem to show this scene from the machines view, like a oldtime Amiga 3D rendering. If that is how they see the world, no questions about why they go bananas like that.

Well, I think the reason for the barcode is to make an agreement. If not, it wouldn't be necessary. And afterall, they are machines. They wouldn't have to create a 3D model to simualte a signing if it had no importance to the other side. They were going to die anyway, so the signing must have been for the Zion archives. That is why we see it. It is accurate, but we don't learn what the deal was about.

What annoys me about that scene is that they make an agreement and then the machine appears to self destruct or something and destroy the people and everything in the area of the signing...

Any ideas on this to ease my mind?!

I can only think they made way for fetus fields or just made sure there were no more survivors outside the matrix. The machine in the council is disposable, as the AI would still be intact in other machines. The members of the UN council were probably granted existence as agent programs, and their bodies could be destroyed.

I don't think that they would keep around wild humans or their consciousnesses for Agents. These are the same folks who killed their Ambassadors. I thinks machines value finality and systematic thinking. The machines want the humans to know that the book is closed on them, even if they have to write the last passage. They may have just wanted things wrapped up and tidy when they blew the human capital to hell in a handbasket.
It is easy to interpret the Second Rennaisance in many ways, because a lot of it(maybe this scene, too)is more symbolic than actual event.

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I don't think that they would keep around wild humans or their consciousnesses for Agents. These are the same folks who killed their Ambassadors.

And wouldn't it be ironic to use men of this caliber as agents? Agent Smith doesn't seem well-adjusted, and might be Bush Jr.

No, Agent Smith shows signs of intelligence.
GWB shows signs of blowing intelligence agent's cover.

Agent Smith is unplugged, apparently free.
GWB is a total puppet, apparently of the Illuminati.

Also, Agent Smith doesn't stumble over his words when he talks or use Cowboy slogans like, "Bring it On!(that was a good movie though[Kirsten Dunst! Yes!])"

yeah, but god forbid an agent have al gore's haircut. or even that "i'm too lazy to even put on sweatpants" beard.
yikes!
and what if all they did was slander like Sen. Kerry. hell. i'd rather see agents with an ounce of courage and a gun not a temper and a bad speach writer

(just playing the role of crazed-right-winged-gun-carrying-republican)

SirReef wrote:

0x587e1a2c wrote: why can't there be layers of clouds? we have them now. i think i'm missing what you're saying. I guess anything is possible, but I think it would contradict most of what I understand about clouds. (which isn't much)

(as posted elsewhere)

Would a world without sun have any clouds?

I liked the theory that was posted the last time this subject was aired - I'm sorry, I can't remember who posted it or where.

But since the Humans lost the war, it's fair to assume they didn't get near 01 and so that bit of sky could still be clear.

marl64 wrote:

SirReef wrote: 0x587e1a2c wrote: why can't there be layers of clouds? we have them now. i think i'm missing what you're saying. I guess anything is possible, but I think it would contradict most of what I understand about clouds. (which isn't much) (as posted elsewhere) Would a world without sun have any clouds? I liked the theory that was posted the last time this subject was aired - I'm sorry, I can't remember who posted it or where. But since the Humans lost the war, it's fair to assume they didn't get near 01 and so that bit of sky could still be clear.

If we blackened the sky, sort of like a nuclear explosion or a meteor hitting the ground... then it would drift. The particles would encompass the Earth.

So, no part of sky would really remain untouched... UNLESS... they developed a way to keep the darkness out.

I think that Neo might become enlightened in the real world as well. I think that is why you see scenes with Neo seeing the world differently. He has truly become "the one".

I think maybe he has the power to clean the sky?

Sir Reef.