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crist....one need not wait till 'death' or a place in our 'future' to exist in other worlds. there are countless frequencies waiting for us to venture into right 'now'. consciousness is about exploration and expansion. most 'humans' are only tuned in to this level or band of awareness. some get glimpses of others in dreams ,meditations,etc.. 'we' are holographic entities, believing we are only flesh, capable of astonishing feats right now.

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You are completely right. There are many astral worlds for exploration. That is the spiitual world. I haven't read it so far but the Book of Urantia, the last sacred book I know of, is a confirmation that there are many worlds around us. Just one simple and common example: Dreams. But Electric Infinity, that is a very complex and hidden topic. If people can't understand simple truths, they won't even try to grasp a much more complex level of existence. The Gnostics and Orientalists explore a lot into the Astral Journeys. That is not for everybody. See you. Thanks for your insight. Happiness in Christ Jesus. Cristorly

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Thanks for your response cristorly, I have quite a bit to think about now. I apologize if I made you repeat yourself; that was not my intention. It'll take me some time to learn about the terms you are discussing I guess.

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Thanks for being ecclectic, Dub329. We have to check on our taxonomies so that there is agreement in the terms we use. We have to try to speak in the same language with the same meanings. Thanks in Christ Jesus. Cristorly

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"The Matrix 1", Unitarian Universalism, and the True Biblical Matrix

By: Orlando Alcántara F. (Cristorly).
At the end of December, 2003, I hadn’t seen The Matrix 1 and I hadn’t searched into the knowledge of the Biblical Unitarian Universalism yet. In those days I saw a Christian drama that tried to
Christianize the film taking away from it the elements of the New Era. In that occasion it seemed to me to be mistaken to take an example from
the "world" in order to give a Christian message to the People of God. I was mistaken in this point, but when seeing the film last night (Sunday January 23rd, 2005),
and after I had studied over 2,000 pages of Biblical Unitarian Universalism (www.godstruthfortoday.org), I realized that without knowing that night back in 2003 I was correct but for different reasons that I intuited secretly and about unexpected aspects that I explain now.
In the cosmogony of "The Matrix 1" coexist evident contradictions. It tries to be trinitarian in its deontology, but it does not reach to surpass its dualism. It tries to be trinitarian with respect to its ontology, but it does not stop being anthropocentric, since in its attempt to be Theocentric (Zion, the One, the Source) it could not articulate a truly unitarian universe in which
God had a unique personality apart from the trinitarian impersonality that tries to be caught by the symbol (Neo, Morpheus and Trinity). Good and Evil are not Good and Evil if Equilibrium does not exist. Positive, negative and neutral. God is one, not three in one. God is Yahweh. God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit of God is the same Spirit of God as it is expressed very well in Shakespeare’s English. Christ is the Only Begotten. That is to say, the only Son who was generated directly by God. Generated, not created. Adam and Eve are created to the image and likeness of Christ and by
transitoriety all of us are created to the image and likeness of God, including Satan the Devil and all his malignant angels. Here there is a Source (Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6 and Proverbs 16:33). An Origin. Zion. In real and true cosmogony there is no place for the concept of "Matrix" as presented by the film, because over there the "Matrix" is maya or orientalist illusion that admits
in its universe the concept of Reincarnation against the correct concept of Resurrection. It is truth -as it is displayed in the film- that the human beings in their great majority live under the false effects of the unreal
reality of the society in which in a way or another they function like robots, just by showing an ephemeral power, or by putting themselves under a deadly madness to reach for that same power that does not
come from the top, but that is "a knife for their own throat". And here the divine punishment enters into the game, an element that is not taken into account by the film. And everything is sum up in a power struggle being stranded from the correct adoration to the only alive and living God in the figure of
Jesus Christ. Some follow Muhammad. Others follow Buddha. Some follow Nietszche. Others follow Gandhi. Some follow Socrates. Others follow Virgin Mary. Some follow the pastor of their favorite congregation. Others follow the magnetism of their favorite doctrine. The distortion is enormous. The true adoration "in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24) is
absent every day of the human heart darkened by the direct or indirect influences of Satan the Devil. However, how to justify such a chaotic universe as ours? The answer belongs to Trinity when she kisses Neo: Love. Thanks to the unconditional love of God everything is possible. The First Cause is God and the purpose of knowing Evil in the present
time is to give account to us of its temporality, it is for enabling us to appreciate in its right dimension all the kindnesses of Good, that it is eternal, non-temporal, being God Yahweh its more perfect reflection in the Golgothian Cross
of Calvary in the atoning sacrifice of His only Son Jesus
Christ. Here the atonement is not by substitution, but all the opposite. The atonement is for inclusion, that is to say, Christ died in favor of ours to include us in the extremely highly perfect merits of His own Blood. That is to say, it is not true that Christ died instead of the sinner, like a substitute of the sinner, but, rather, Christ took our sins, which we could not atone for by ourselves nor give nothing in return to settle for such a great debt and Christ included all the created beings in His
sacrifice of infinite repercussions in all the future happening of the
universe, then with His sacrifice Christ carried out the Universal
Reconciliation (II Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:18, Romans 11:32, I Timothy 2:4, 4:10, Tito 2:11, Colossians 1:20, I Corinthians 15:22, Ephesians 1:9-11). The film "Matrix 1" is a serious attempt to present a correct cosmogony, real in last instance, but their deontological premises are not framed in the true Biblical
Unitarian Universalism that can explain all the interiorities of the real reality without any cliffhanger. The film fails in its attempt of being trinitarian. In last instance the universe will be what it is, that is to say, there will be neither trinitarism nor no dualism, everything will be unitarian, the Great All will be what He is, He will be ONE. There will be no positive, negative and neutral, but all the opposite, everything will be affirmative, no action will be simply positive, nor neutral and by logic it will not exist Evil. Everything will be Yahweh and all the created beings we will be one in the
Great ONE. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.


Universalism, by its very nature, is the biggest motherfucker of a paradox you've ever seen in your life.

On the surface, it all sounds really cool and full of joy. It sounds like a philosophy that is totally harmonious.

The problem is that Universalism has a name. It is compartmentalised. Even something as supposedly all-encompassing as 'Universalism' is victim to the human construct of simulacra (i.e. "x is a Universalist concept, but y is not"). It's not necessarily a 'bad' thing...just another proof that the human mind is not able to grasp the full, spectral nature of the universe, and so is destined (or 'doomed', for the pessimistic) to a life of scientific compartmentalism.

The only time we truly encounter something that is 'close to God' or 'close to the Universe' or 'close to the Spirit Of All' is when we feel love. Love for one's life partner, love for one's family, love for your fellow human being. It is inexplicable, indescribable, and inescapable. This issue is dealt with in The Matrix Trilogy. Love "is a word; what matters is the connection the word implies". Love is something that we can experience first hand that doesn't lend itself very easily to scientific enquiry, as is demonstrated by the Architect's inability to create a perfectly-functioning Matrix.

MAX

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Hello, MAX314. I have explained my point of view about Universalism in the following link:

jesus.50webs.com...
. Thanks a lot for your valuable insight. I agree with your idea around LOVE. Thanks, MAX314

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Hello, MAX314. I have explained my point of view about Universalism in the following link:
jesus.50webs.com...
. Thanks a lot for your valuable insight. I agree with your idea around LOVE. Thanks, MAX314


So you believe that God has a name?

See, this is the same problem I have with Islam - the fact that "there is one God and Allah is His Name".

Names are human constructs and I do not think that the Greater Force is limited by such mayaistic human mendacities.

I'd be curious to know your comment on this.

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Hello. I believe that God has a name: YAHWEH, but I also believe that God is eudemonic, that is, God is looking for the well-being and happiness for all creatures: Demons, angels, and Human Beings. Thanks. Cristorly

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Hello. I believe that God has a name: YAHWEH, but I also believe that God is eudemonic, that is, God is looking for the well-being and happiness for all creatures: Demons, angels, and Human Beings. Thanks. Cristorly


So you believe that God is on some kind of mission "looking for happiness"?

That's interesting.

I personally believe that the universe is 'perfect' in the sense that everything is the way it has to be. Things like 'happiness' are just human emotions that mean a lot to us but little to the cosmos at large.

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Please remember the concept of pre-established harmony as explained by Leibniz around Newton's time. It asserts that we live in the best possible of worlds. Remember to read my essay at

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cristorly wrote:

"The Matrix 1", Unitarian Universalism, and the True Biblical Matrix

By: Orlando Alcántara F. (Cristorly).
At the end of December, 2003, I hadn’t seen The Matrix 1 and I hadn’t searched into the knowledge of the Biblical Unitarian Universalism yet. In those days I saw a Christian drama that tried to
Christianize the film taking away from it the elements of the New Era. In that occasion it seemed to me to be mistaken to take an example from
the "world" in order to give a Christian message to the People of God. I was mistaken in this point, but when seeing the film last night (Sunday January 23rd, 2005),
and after I had studied over 2,000 pages of Biblical Unitarian Universalism (www.godstruthfortoday.org), I realized that without knowing that night back in 2003 I was correct but for different reasons that I intuited secretly and about unexpected aspects that I explain now.
In the cosmogony of "The Matrix 1" coexist evident contradictions. It tries to be trinitarian in its deontology, but it does not reach to surpass its dualism. It tries to be trinitarian with respect to its ontology, but it does not stop being anthropocentric, since in its attempt to be Theocentric (Zion, the One, the Source) it could not articulate a truly unitarian universe in which
God had a unique personality apart from the trinitarian impersonality that tries to be caught by the symbol (Neo, Morpheus and Trinity). Good and Evil are not Good and Evil if Equilibrium does not exist. Positive, negative and neutral. God is one, not three in one. God is Yahweh. God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit of God is the same Spirit of God as it is expressed very well in Shakespeare’s English. Christ is the Only Begotten. That is to say, the only Son who was generated directly by God. Generated, not created. Adam and Eve are created to the image and likeness of Christ and by
transitoriety all of us are created to the image and likeness of God, including Satan the Devil and all his malignant angels. Here there is a Source (Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6 and Proverbs 16:33). An Origin. Zion. In real and true cosmogony there is no place for the concept of "Matrix" as presented by the film, because over there the "Matrix" is maya or orientalist illusion that admits
in its universe the concept of Reincarnation against the correct concept of Resurrection. It is truth -as it is displayed in the film- that the human beings in their great majority live under the false effects of the unreal
reality of the society in which in a way or another they function like robots, just by showing an ephemeral power, or by putting themselves under a deadly madness to reach for that same power that does not
come from the top, but that is "a knife for their own throat". And here the divine punishment enters into the game, an element that is not taken into account by the film. And everything is sum up in a power struggle being stranded from the correct adoration to the only alive and living God in the figure of
Jesus Christ. Some follow Muhammad. Others follow Buddha. Some follow Nietszche. Others follow Gandhi. Some follow Socrates. Others follow Virgin Mary. Some follow the pastor of their favorite congregation. Others follow the magnetism of their favorite doctrine. The distortion is enormous. The true adoration "in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24) is
absent every day of the human heart darkened by the direct or indirect influences of Satan the Devil. However, how to justify such a chaotic universe as ours? The answer belongs to Trinity when she kisses Neo: Love. Thanks to the unconditional love of God everything is possible. The First Cause is God and the purpose of knowing Evil in the present
time is to give account to us of its temporality, it is for enabling us to appreciate in its right dimension all the kindnesses of Good, that it is eternal, non-temporal, being God Yahweh its more perfect reflection in the Golgothian Cross
of Calvary in the atoning sacrifice of His only Son Jesus
Christ. Here the atonement is not by substitution, but all the opposite. The atonement is for inclusion, that is to say, Christ died in favor of ours to include us in the extremely highly perfect merits of His own Blood. That is to say, it is not true that Christ died instead of the sinner, like a substitute of the sinner, but, rather, Christ took our sins, which we could not atone for by ourselves nor give nothing in return to settle for such a great debt and Christ included all the created beings in His
sacrifice of infinite repercussions in all the future happening of the
universe, then with His sacrifice Christ carried out the Universal
Reconciliation (II Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:18, Romans 11:32, I Timothy 2:4, 4:10, Tito 2:11, Colossians 1:20, I Corinthians 15:22, Ephesians 1:9-11). The film "Matrix 1" is a serious attempt to present a correct cosmogony, real in last instance, but their deontological premises are not framed in the true Biblical
Unitarian Universalism that can explain all the interiorities of the real reality without any cliffhanger. The film fails in its attempt of being trinitarian. In last instance the universe will be what it is, that is to say, there will be neither trinitarism nor no dualism, everything will be unitarian, the Great All will be what He is, He will be ONE. There will be no positive, negative and neutral, but all the opposite, everything will be affirmative, no action will be simply positive, nor neutral and by logic it will not exist Evil. Everything will be Yahweh and all the created beings we will be one in the
Great ONE. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.



This is Crap...

Matrix is bassed on Hinduism...

and Christianity in some way is a ripp-off of some oriental traditions...

Look is like this:

Ra- the Great God sun, is not another then Rama... the Hero of Ramayana.

Jesus in real life was justa Yogui with the mission to save his race and his people but... the jews were so primitive for the hinduism way ...

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All this indulging in the pleasures of the senses belongs to the sphere of Mara
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Holy Kiss Greeting: Grace unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
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I've studied Bible 40 yrs, biblical allegory 10 yrs, and find solving the mystery of God similar to navigating a Matrix.

Brief example: Zion(high)... Sion(higher)... highest
Sion is not (mountains of) Zion in the Old Testament.
Sion (is Hermon) is higher than Zion: Psalms 133:3.
Zion is not mentioned in the New Testament (KJV).
Sinai is not come, Sion is come, for ye(do err): Heb 12.
In Sion layed (i) stumblingstone and (ii) rock of offense.
So good luck to both feuding Zion-ists and Sion-ists;
For only the greatest of three things never fails.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
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