»For those of you who think The One is Human«

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NoName wrote:

My view is that the Matrix is a good metaphor for what is existing already, and I mean the education, language, economy, culture, religion and all other forms of social conventions and programming of the mind through words and attitudes.

No one is talking about that.

We're talking about Neo not being 100% human.

Eventuality, and the way it was said, does not mean that. He is the result or contingency of the anomaly. The 1% are the anomaly, those who dont accept the programming. The eventuality of the anomaly is the 'one' the result of the anomaly, the creation, contingency plan. Here is the definition of the 'eventuality'..

1. eventuality, contingency, contingence -- (a possible event or occurrence or result)

If he just meant he is a possible choice he would just have been an eventuality. But he didnt say he was 'an eventuality', he said the was 'THE eventuality of AN anomaly'. He then goes on to say..

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"Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster."

That was the anomaly. A person being born inside the matrix with super powers was not an anomaly, it was a creation and a tool of the system. The eventuality of the anomaly, the result of the anomaly. The result, because if there was no anomaly, there was no need for a 'one' so he was 'The Eventuality of an Anomaly". Designed to control those who could not be controlled. Because he was a symbol that willingly followed, believeing it to be of there own free will, when really they were just using the human delusion against the humans.

jaxdevil wrote:

Eventuality, and the way it was said, does not mean that. He is the result or contingency of the anomaly. The 1% are the anomaly, those who dont accept the programming. The eventuality of the anomaly is the 'one' the result of the anomaly, the creation, contingency plan. Here is the definition of the 'eventuality'..

I really like your explanation. I'm not convinced though for many reasons; some that I have posted before.

But if you notice in the original Matrix, in the beginning the trace program is running, and it is also running in the end when Neo is speaking to the machines. When the screen is shown at the end, the screen says "Warning carrier anamoly." When Trinity and Cypher are speaking, it doesn't say this.

This is another reason why I believe Neo is "the anamoly" that the machines/programs speak of.

While l can see where your belief comes from, and respect your belief, allow me to point out something. l had pointed this out over and over again. The simplest explanation is the most possible in any event where you do not have all of the facts. Obviously we do not have all of the facts to go by, so the simplest explanation would be that he caused an error, or anomaly in the communication system. Thats why the screen froze. An unexpected signal had been sent into the stream because they were tracing it, he did not want to allow them to trace him so he jammed their system.

Im not trying to debase anyone but it is a scientific principle, when you do not have all the facts in a given situation, the answer with the simplest explanation, most direct route between the facts and the conclusion is the most probable anwer. Occams Razor (straight line) or Principle of Parsimony or Principle of Simplicity. The explanation with the fewest leaps in logic is the most likely. In this instance they are talking on the phone, there is a "trace program running" a "Carrier anomaly" is detected and the system freezes. It is not jump to conclude a Carrier Anomaly is a communications error, caused by Neo to keep from ebing taced. It takes a much bigger jump in logic, and many many more steps to explain that the person on the phone is the anomaly, because the oracle said this, and even though it was explained and the words imply he is not an anomaly at all, the fact that he is on the phone and others expressed a belief in the idea that he was the anomaly, and the reason why it didnt say that on Trintity and Neo wasnt because no one jammed their signal, and their signal continued to move and zero in on them, and didnt lock up, it was just that they werent anomalies and all anomalies make the computers lock up, but that would mean the matrix would be locked up and nothing would work, but theres an explanation for that and ..

Besides that it would be circular logic to explain he is the anomaly, because the screen says this, and you can base the understanding of what the screen says in the idea you have he is the anomaly, but that proof you have now is based on the idea that you have, so its your idea support gin your proof supporting your idea.

Does anyone notice how the letter 'l' is being replaced with the word 'myself'? l had to go back and change all the instances of l with the lower case letter L since it looks like an l. It is very annoying. Someone is having a ball with it though.

watch this..
...h i j k l m n o...
..i love you...
..you and i...
..i spy...

Yeah what the hell is going on? I thought my pc caught a virus or something. Whenever I type "N E O" it says steven. Or if I type "S M I T H" it says troy, and " A G E N T S" says fbi agents. It's really hard to read.

wtf? It is funny though.

Its messed up. Should have saved this one till April 1st. Why would they say SMI TH is troy? Someone has a word filter on that instead of replacing curse words it is replacing words that they know we use, words that have to do with the matrix. Somebodies being a donkey.

They are actively changing words using the bad word filter. Now the MA TRIX is being changed to 'RE AL WO RLD' sorry l am splitting the words so you see what l am typing an-d not what they want you to see. They keep this up then in the morning (eastern time) we will all look like a bunch of rambling idiots talking out our arses. l just edited this, they changed the word A-N-D to O-R. This is all a filter though, if you hit edit y0u will see the words y0u originally typed are still there.

lol - yeah this is pretty annoying.

Well l hope this is what they were aiming for, it was funny for the first few minutes but l cant deal with this. l will see you all tommorow, l cant have an intelligent conversation when someone else is changing my vocabullary.
C y0u all tommor0w.

l8r

Aight, let's get back to this. Everything is fixed...

I can't read all your posts dude, maybe a sum up or some copy paste of your best arguments ?

El Escogido wrote:

jaxdevil wrote: Eventuality, and the way it was said, does not mean that. He is the result or contingency of the anomaly. The 1% are the anomaly, those who dont accept the programming. The eventuality of the anomaly is the 'one' the result of the anomaly, the creation, contingency plan. Here is the definition of the 'eventuality'.. I really like your explanation. I'm not convinced though for many reasons; some that I have posted before. But if you notice in the original Matrix, in the beginning the trace program is running, and it is also running in the end when Neo is speaking to the machines. When the screen is shown at the end, the screen says "Warning carrier anamoly." When Trinity and Cypher are speaking, it doesn't say this. This is another reason why I believe Neo is "the anamoly" that the machines/programs speak of.

jaxdevil wrote:

While l can see where your belief comes from, and respect your belief, allow me to point out something. l had pointed this out over and over again. The simplest explanation is the most possible in any event where you do not have all of the facts. Obviously we do not have all of the facts to go by, so the simplest explanation would be that he caused an error, or anomaly in the communication system. Thats why the screen froze. An unexpected signal had been sent into the stream because they were tracing it, he did not want to allow them to trace him so he jammed their system. Im not trying to debase anyone but it is a scientific principle, when you do not have all the facts in a given situation, the answer with the simplest explanation, most direct route between the facts and the conclusion is the most probable anwer. Occams Razor (straight line) or Principle of Parsimony or Principle of Simplicity. The explanation with the fewest leaps in logic is the most likely. In this instance they are talking on the phone, there is a "trace program running" a "Carrier anomaly" is detected and the system freezes. It is not jump to conclude a Carrier Anomaly is a communications error, caused by Neo to keep from ebing taced. It takes a much bigger jump in logic, and many many more steps to explain that the person on the phone is the anomaly, because the oracle said this, and even though it was explained and the words imply he is not an anomaly at all, the fact that he is on the phone and others expressed a belief in the idea that he was the anomaly, and the reason why it didnt say that on Trintity and Neo wasnt because no one jammed their signal, and their signal continued to move and zero in on them, and didnt lock up, it was just that they werent anomalies and all anomalies make the computers lock up, but that would mean the matrix would be locked up and nothing would work, but theres an explanation for that and .. Besides that it would be circular logic to explain he is the anomaly, because the screen says this, and you can base the understanding of what the screen says in the idea you have he is the anomaly, but that proof you have now is based on the idea that you have, so its your idea support gin your proof supporting your idea.

That's the gist of it for the last couple of days.

Ok, I see your point. I have a theory based on a simple conclusion : the 1st and 2nd matrix have crashed while they were functionning and they were loosing entire crops.

The question is, before you build a huge matrix, shouldn't you first check if it the principle works ? If they realized that the matrix did'nt work only while using it, it necessarily means that they thought it was working fine on a short term.

Thus, it means that it is possible to make people accept the program on a short time (maybe several days or weeks) before they wake up or die (the consequences of the refusal are not very clear).

My theory is that Smith is forcing people to accept him, just like Archie was doing it in the 2 first Matrixes : that's why it will crashes because Smith is cancelling the principle of choice. He represents the logical part of the equation ("he is the result of the equation trying to balance itself out").
Look at bane, he's burning from the inside and according to what Maggie said, his brain was having strange neural activity, wich I think would lead to the death of Bane ultimatly.

Finally, Smith represents the Architect's original equation, the desire to get rid of the human's liberty to choose and by that to become a pure program without feelings (he hates his own feelings).

Neo represents the freedom of choice, the right that every human being has to refuse a system either by fighting it or, if he's not strong enough, by accepting his own death (wich he does at the end).

So, yes, Neo is the 1% and Smith the 99%. And the "eventuality" part is referring to the fact that they could not know exactly wich one amongst the gifted humans would become the One.

Apocryphe wrote:

So, yes, Neo is the 1% and Smith the 99%. And the "eventuality" part is referring to the fact that they could not know exactly wich one amongst the gifted humans would become the One.

But I think that who The One is has to be predetermined, just as a program which has a purpose is (which is a reason as to why I believe Neo is part program.)

The Architect, the Oracle, and the machines have to know who The One is in order to begin to plot ideas in to their head, in other words make them see and begin to understand that there is something wrong with the world in order to allow them to reject the matrix in the future. It is also critical in order for the Architect and Oracle to shape Neo's path once he has rejected the matrix and begins to make his path to the source.

Yes I agree, but they don't say exactly when and how someone becomes the One. It seems that they pulled the orphans and all the gifted from the Matrix when the One was born.

According to me, it works like this : plenty of people receive superpowers in the matrix. The machines tried to kill them in reality (in the red "whomb") but every time, the anomaly grew bigger and spread on other humans.

If they get all the gifted ones in once, then all the anomaly will go in the last gifted guy remaining in the Matrix. That's how they control it, but they just play with the rules, they don't control the anomaly istelf, they just lead it.

Note that there is a comic where we see all the orphans going out. Well that's my view on it