»Neo is different when he comes out of Mobil Ave.«

I have read this theory before and I think it makes a lot of sense.

When Neo comes out of Mobil Ave. and is about to jack out of the Matrix, Link asks Morpheus if he got Neo out. Morpheus asks Link, "Can't you see him."

Link replies, "No, sir. We're readin' somethin', but I couldn't tell what it was."

Neo is different when he comes ou, his code is different. he has become something more than the one.

Now, backtrack a little bit. At Mobil Ave. he meets Rama-Kandra. In Hinduism Rama-Kandra (Or Rama-Yandra i think) is the seventh incarnation of Vishnu I believe. Neo is the sixth version of the One. So perhaps he has become something greater upon exiting, maybe even a greater version of the One?

Exile7 wrote:

In Hinduism Rama-Kandra (Or Rama-Yandra i think) is the seventh incarnation of Vishnu I believe. Neo is the sixth version of the One. So perhaps he has become something greater upon exiting, maybe even a greater version of the One?

That may have a part in it, but i think it also has something to do with neo being so close to the source (ie the arcitects chamber).

Yes, this is also true. I forgot to include that with my post. In Enter The Matrix The Oracle tells Niobe that Neo has touched the Source and that his mind was seperated from his body. I think this all began upon exiting the Architect's chamber.

However, what I think is that he saw what he was to become by seeing the RamaKandra, the seventh incarnation of Vishnu.

Very insightful.

I would add that neo has gained 'secret knowledge' that has transformed his nature of being. As such his essence is unknowable to those not at his level.

I have always suspected that the Animatrix episode "Kid's Story" has something to do with this...

msunyata

marktrix wrote:

Very insightful. I would add that neo has gained 'secret knowledge' that has transformed his nature of being. As such his essence is unknowable to those not at his level.

Knowledge - there is one program who's purpose is to know, and to have all information - The Merovingian. If you notice, like I've said on other threads before, Neo has the same exact clothes that The Merovingian has on in Reloaded.

Think about that one.

The Merovingian's purpose is that he has none; he is an Exile (coming strictly from the pragmatic perspective of the Machines, of course).

msunyata

neo is different went he comes out of mobile ave because trinity aint fucked him in days his balls must be the size of fucking watermelons after that

El Escogido wrote:

marktrix wrote: Very insightful. I would add that neo has gained 'secret knowledge' that has transformed his nature of being. As such his essence is unknowable to those not at his level. Knowledge - there is one program who's purpose is to know, and to have all information - The Merovingian. If you notice, like I've said on other threads before, Neo has the same exact clothes that The Merovingian has on in Reloaded. Think about that one.

I would think that was a given for two reasons.

1. 'because of who the trainman works for'
- as homage to his patron saint
- as part of his deal to stay exiled in the matrix
- etc...

2. 'He was once like you'
- part of the process as a sixth one
- the merovingian being descended and connected to the original saviours. But you already knew that ...

marktrix wrote:

El Escogido wrote: marktrix wrote: Very insightful. I would add that neo has gained 'secret knowledge' that has transformed his nature of being. As such his essence is unknowable to those not at his level. Knowledge - there is one program who's purpose is to know, and to have all information - The Merovingian. If you notice, like I've said on other threads before, Neo has the same exact clothes that The Merovingian has on in Reloaded. Think about that one. I would think that was a given for two reasons. 1. 'because of who the trainman works for' - as homage to his patron saint - as part of his deal to stay exiled in the matrix - etc...

I agree with this and can see your point.

marktrix wrote:

2. 'He was once like you' - part of the process as a sixth one - the merovingian being descended and connected to the original saviours. But you already knew that ...

As far as the Merovingian being a previous One - I see what you're saying, especially with the significance of his name and it's connection to Jesus and Mary Magdalene but there is no evidence that any of the previous One's are still alive.

Think about it, if The One has to choose 23 people to rebuild Zion (plus The One) it is assumed that The One has to jack out of the Matrix. Since The Merovingian is a program he cannot jack out. The only way he could do so is if he became a rogue program like Smith and infected others. All he could do is hide as an exile within the matrix.

If the one's purpose is to reinsert his code then the repopulation of zion would have to be done without him as his code is his mind and "the body cannot survive without the mind" so the idea of the merovingian being a previous one must be false

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there is no evidence that any of the previous One's are still alive

"He is one of the oldest of us"

Some could infer that the oracle was extant from very near the beginning of the creation of the matrix. At least, that's what I believe.

"If I am it's father, then she would undoubtedly be its mother"

Maybe even very close to its creation. I notice that her statement is inclusionary then. 'Us', Not 'it' or 'them'.

Using another popular story that also had the name 'merovingian' in it. The bloodline of the Merovingian kings may have been infused with the first offspring, or "second" in a line of kings.

We have seen that neo predictably made the 'human' choice. Could we assume then that the steps along the way were fed to him like candy to a baby ? By a you know who ?

It was still a choice. It was still a gamble. It was faith that was needed this time as in, relinquishing control of what you think could happen and accepting that which is beyond your capability to happen.

Sometimes it doesn't happen your way.

The coming of the seventh one means something occurred to the 6 before him. Not all of them necessarily sufferred the same fate.

Is it possible per se, that one of them with the capacity to appreciate 'ze deal' remained separated from his body as another type of abomination of humanity.

Some may think so...

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If the one's purpose is to reinsert his code then the repopulation of zion would have to be done without him as his code is his mind and "the body cannot survive without the mind" so the idea of the merovingian being a previous one must be false

That my friend is sound logic. I do believe also that it is our fearless dogmatic morpheus that makes the statement that your logic is predicated on. The manichean mentor in movie 1. The preshadowed one who made the statement "then let us hope I was wrong" when reminded " you always told us that was suicide" in movie 2. The perplexed one when confronted with his own dogmatic logic "you said it yourself, how can it be true when the war isn't over".

Sound logic indeed...

marktrix wrote:

"He is one of the oldest of us"

She's talking about programs in this case.

...and a specific program in that case. She happens to be talking about the merovingian.

'...One of the oldest of us, he is called the merovingian'

About Neo's clothes in Mobil Ave:

they are not exactly the same as the Merovingian's, but they are in the same type of style though. Assuming that the Merovingian was once an angelic program, we can be sure that Neo was in a spiritual state at Mobil Ave.

That Link cannot recognize Neo I think is because that Neo is in golden-code there just like Seraph. You simply cannot be green-coded if you come from the Source and Neo went to the Source just before he got 'dumped' into Mobil Ave.
And even if you do not believe this, his code might still be different. Just look at him when he resurrects Trinity on the roof in M2. The edge of his code is very bright, which depicts his state of enlightment. The more he gets enlightened, the brighter his code becomes.

About the Merovingian:

He's not a former One; imposibble.
The number 101 in the restaurant is the binary-code for 5. If you look closely, there are five glasses standing between Neo and Mero, which merely symbolizes that the five previous Ones have visited the Merovingian before (it's truly five, not six like Ken Wilber seems to think).

Just as I think that the Oracle is the prime program of Matrix version 3 (see for more on this here:

marktrix wrote:

...and a specific program in that case. She happens to be talking about the merovingian. '...One of the oldest of us, he is called the merovingian'

You have a very interesting writing style my friend. And some very interesting insights.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

About Neo's clothes in Mobil Ave: they are not exactly the same as the Merovingian's, but they are in the same type of style though. Assuming that the Merovingian was once an angelic program, we can be sure that Neo was in a spiritual state at Mobil Ave. That Link cannot recognize Neo I think is because that Neo is in golden-code there just like Seraph. You simply cannot be green-coded if you come from the Source and Neo went to the Source just before he got 'dumped' into Mobil Ave. And even if you do not believe this, his code might still be different. Just look at him when he resurrects Trinity on the roof in M2. The edge of his code is very bright, which depicts his state of enlightment. The more he gets enlightened, the brighter his code becomes. About the Merovingian: He's not a former One; imposibble. The number 101 in the restaurant is the binary-code for 5. If you look closely, there are five glasses standing between Neo and Mero, which merely symbolizes that the five previous Ones have visited the Merovingian before (it's truly five, not six like Ken Wilber seems to think). Just as I think that the Oracle is the prime program of Matrix version 3 (see for more on this here: matrix-explained.com... ) , I think that the Merovingian was the prime program of Matrix version 2. After the failing of Matrix version 2, the Merovingian and his sub-programs were up for deletion. They didn't accept this and they fought a war in the machine-world, which offcourse he lost and he was banned into Matrix version 3, just like Satan. As the Oracle adds the concept of choice and female intuition to the inner workings of the Matrix, the Merovingian just works on the mechanical idea of pure cause-and-effect, with which, as we all know, the second Matrix failed. He was a trafficer of information; he co-ordinated information for the cause-and-effect-chain. He was like the Oracle, knowing alot ("I know everything I can" ), but much more primitive. His parameters didn't reach further than a pure choiceless chain, so he was and still is not able to look as deep as the Oracle does. Programs, almost just like humans, hate it when they fail. As Smith has a grunch against Neo for he made him fail in his purpose ("I think of nothing else", as Bane), the Merovingian hates the Oracle. The Oracle seems to do a better job than the Merovingian and he doesn't understand the WHY of this. He wants the Oracle to fail ("tell the fortune-teller that her time is almost up", which means so much as: her installment is about to crash). But the Merovingian is a slave to his own cause-and-effect-system. When a deal is offered to him, he cannot resist the temptation.

This is on point.

Good job.

Speaking of illogical missteps not easily unmade...

Positing an interpretation of the films that is based solely or fundamentally off of one particular facet of one particular allusion in the film is incredibly tenuous, at best.

msunyata

So what?

The purpose of this forum is to share theories, ideas and opinions.

Alot of things require some assuming and thinking.
Offcourse there are no facts for my theory. It is just a logical assumption I made.

It's always good to share your thoughts about the Matrix-movies. That's what the Wachowski's wanted from us.
So just enjoy the forum or buzz off

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

So what? The purpose of this forum is to share theories, ideas and opinions. Alot of things require some assuming and thinking. Offcourse there are no facts for my theory. It is just a logical assumption I made. It's always good to share your thoughts about the Matrix-movies. That's what the Wachowski's wanted from us. So just enjoy the forum or buzz off

AMEN my friend.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

It's always good to share your thoughts about the Matrix-movies. That's what the Wachowski's wanted from us. So just enjoy the forum or buzz off

It's exactly what they wanted. They even said it themselves, that they wanted something that would be transcending, and would not just be another dumb action movie.

He ate some dirty chinese food while waiting for the train to come and he was changed cuz he realized his noodles might have been made of Dog which is God backwards So when he left moblie avenue he had only 2 quarters in his pocket.

Or maybe it was because he thought that he should save nice programs like Rama-Kandra instead of most humans that have a bad sense of humor and attitude (hint, hint!). So maybe he also took his darkser side, Smith, into consideration