»WHAT IS NEO, WHAT IS SMITH ?«

WHAT IS NEO ?( New/One) WHAT IS SMITH ?

Let us look at Neo
From the beginning of Matrix 1, we have been told that Neo was Human.
We know that he is a very special Human Being….

Morpheus found the previous Ones, but they were not ready, they all died, could this be proof of an evolutionary pattern; meaning that this time the evolved and ready NEO is to be the symbiosis of Human/Machine.
This for NEO is the FINAL TEST. He has to prove that He is ready, that HE is the evolved mind required by Human beings & Machines to function as ONE.

1. A balance between Human and Machine – the right combination, where the Human will empathise with the Machine and the Machine will empathise with Humans.
2. When NEO meets the ARCHITECT he is told that ….the process had altered his consciousness, but he remained irrevocably human…so the things that the Architect told Neo at the Human level he understood while at the machine level he is still semi/conscious.
3. Matrix Revolutions will awaken the sleeping machine consciousness and the two will function as the ONE ~ a whole being, a new being a MACHINE/HUMAN symbiosis an UNDERSTANDING.
4. The machine mind that was awakened was SMITH, like NEO he learned the rules and refuses to be controlled, SMITH made a CHOICE to stay, to disobey.
5. NEO is the evolving ‘HUMAN MIND ’and SMITH is the evolving ‘MACHINE MIND’.
6. NEO has trusted Machine Programs, he has let the ORACLE guide him and taken her on her word – this is a huge step in MACHINE/HUMAN relations. The ORACLE told NEO that he had made a believer out of her. As Neo had believed in the MACHINE, the MACHINE now believed in NEO a bond of TRUST has been formed.
7. Whether this is going to be required of SMITH remains unanswered, perhaps SMITH has to redeem himself, or perhaps this is just the wishful thinking of yours truly! SMITH has to believe in himself, I feel that he is confused as to what his purpose now is, SMITH has no one to guide him….yet. Without reason or purpose he is totally out of control.

The above points I hope, may answer some questions, I’ve tried to be as clear as I possibly can. These may also answer the “STILL ONLY HUMAN” question that has been asked many times….. I hope you like my theory regarding the purpose of both SMITH and NEO, please feel free to add to it or continue with the debate....
LONG LIVE SMITH

I don't reply to topics written in uppercase, but since you asked me to in another thread, here I go...

The first part of your post about the evolution of a One is true in my opinion.

The reason that the previous ones failed was that the anomaly wasn't fully evolved. It provides an escalating probability for disaster, and at a certain point it will become integral and manifest itself in a person, creating a One. The Oracle made Morpheus start his search long before the anomaly had become integral, and the people he choosed died.

But I don't think the purpose of The One from the machines view is to find a way to make "Human beings & Machines to function as ONE". Maybe just the Oracle. She seems to want Neo to choose the left door. But the Architect clearly doesn't see this as an option.

The reason for the machines problem with Neo being human is that he is really just a bug in the system to them. But as long as he is still just aware of a part of his potential, they talk about him as he is still limited to some extent by his orginal human thoughts.

About the Smith thing...

I think he is just a manifestation of the anomaly. If any of the other Ones had choosed the left door, there would have been a similar crash of the system, but not by Smith. But it seems Smith is powerful enough to create problems outside the matrix, both in the mainframe and in the real world, and that makes the machines want Neo's help. This is why he can propose a deal between man and machine by fighting Smith. The reason Smith became powerful was not an intentional act by Neo, so Neo didn't know what his actions would produce. I don't think the Oracle did either. So the bottom line is that the Architect needed to wet his pants in fear before agreeing to bond with humans. If some of the other Ones had choosen the left door, the anomaly wouldn't have been so dangerous, where the machines could shut down the matrix and survive at a level they are prepared to accept.

So to conclude, I think Smith is just a super powerful manifestation of the anomaly Neo copied on to him. By being a former badass, human-hating agent this makes him the perfect bad guy in the movies. In my opinion it is the Oracle and Neo who are the brains behind the human/machine bond in the end, and Smith is just cool.

Hope you enjoyed my reply!

i believe that neo is inherently human in everyway ( mainly due to my personal crusade against the MWAM theory ).. as well as the agents and the architecht saying so.. i believe the the "code he carrys" allows neo to subconsiously behave in a machine-like manner of thinking.. so subconciously he knows how to manipulate code but to him it's just an action.. like when we walk or move we dont think "i'm going to send a nerve to my leg and back to my brain to register it has been done" it is just a natural ability.. i believe that neo isnt special as a person but only his code designation in the matrix is what is special.. and he is able to manipulate it and take advantage of his little portion of code being the remainder of an anomoly.. which is in effect - complete and utter free will .


As for smith. I believe that him and the other programmes that have free will.. ( such as the merovigian . but not cane,abel, or the ghost twins cus they were saved BY the mev .. they cudnt save theirselves.. as far as i know )... anyway. i elieve it's a case of the animatrix happening all over again/// humans make machines.. machines become self aware and develop the fear of death .. the will to survive.. somthign that is present in all forms of life.. .. In the matrix.. matrix creates programmes. programmes are created too intelligent and they develop thier own self awareness.. they fear death.they will do anything to survive.they would rather fight than face deletion.. or "death".. now smith has this to an insane degree. he is seeking immortality to a certain degree.. he has an overwhelming fear of death.. probabaly due to having some of neo's humanity rub off on him. "compelled to disobey".. and it obvious from M1 that he is incredibly distressed by the thought of not having a purpose and thusly being deleted . ( during morpheus interrogation scene).. any questions ?

So SMITH has inherited Human characteristics, hopefully they will come to the fore in REVOLUTIONS.
If you listen to SMITH even before his encounter with NEO in the hallway he is talking very much like a HUMAN, hating the Matrix, wanting to get out, he seemed afraid and confused. This is why I think he was evolving and that NEO and SMITH have to do what they have to do together....
Thanx for your input..... LONG LIVE SMITH

Can someone explain how Smith came back from Neo blowing him up in M1? I never did get that...

Anonymous wrote:

Can someone explain how Smith came back from Neo blowing him up in M1? I never did get that...

Neo destroyed Smith after Smith had destroyed Neo, the theory behind this is that something from Neos program was overwritten on to Smiths and vice versa, and by the way this happened for a REASON....

Smith has grown to LOVE humanity not humans. He is feeling all sorts of things that he has never been able to feel before due to his programming. I think that when he takes over a human he absorbs a part of that person if not all of that persons mind/emotion/memory whatever.

in Enter the Matrix, cain or abel says about the keymaker "just like a human" because the keymaker is showing an expression because they are taking the key from him, so programs can have expressions and emotions but are probably limited to their programming.

Smith has no more programming to control him and he not only is a virus but a junkie. he cannot get enough of his newfound 'freedom/humanity' and so finds more and more humans to give him a feeling or new feeling, this may be what is driving him to take over all of the humans in the matrix and not just wanting to have control of the matrix. with each new human he overcomes he gets new sensations and to Smith is the best high ever, breaking the boundaries of his consciousness...

why Smith would want to kill Neo now i don't understand. Neo did set Smith free, as he says. but he wants to take control over neo and if he could he would take over everyone in zion and smith would become Humanity...

I WANT MORE LIFE FUCKER!!!

Another Smith wrote:

He has to prove that He is ready, that HE is the evolved mind required by Human beings & Machines to function as ONE. 1. A balance between Human and Machine – the right combination, where the Human will empathise with the Machine and the Machine will empathise with Humans.

i'm just not sure that big sweeping movements in life, (like balances between Machine and Human life, or like racial equality) are ever scripted and forcasted and planned with a detailed process like the movies shown. Neo is not meeting a predefined set of requirements that define him as able to not only be "the One" but also be the bad-ass One he is at the end of M2. his evolution is just running its course. i see a process at work where machines had to make a consession in there programing for the matrix, and create "Choice." when they did this, they forfeited some of their control. As soon as you make life and give it room to be out of control, you let it evolve. Neo's increase in his abilities as the one is not planned or wished for by the machines. they just can't control it.

i agree with your overall take on neo and smith. you may not have meant that neo has to prove to an actuall being that he is ready, so ignore me if you want.

emp wrote:

So to conclude, I think Smith is just a super powerful manifestation of the anomaly Neo copied on to him. By being a former badass, human-hating agent this makes him the perfect bad guy in the movies. In my opinion it is the Oracle and Neo who are the brains behind the human/machine bond in the end, and Smith is just cool

i wonder if you mean that the Oracle and Neo have planned the events that have created a machine\human bond. i don't think the Oracle has enough control to do that. she can only direct the other characters to the choices that they have to make. i do think that as an "intuitive" program, she is possibly the only Machine concerned with the human/machine bond. she sees a future outside of the status quo

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wonder if you mean that the Oracle and Neo have planned the events that have created a machine\human bond. i don't think the Oracle has enough control to do that. she can only direct the other characters to the choices that they have to make. i do think that as an "intuitive" program, she is possibly the only Machine concerned with the human/machine bond. she sees a future outside of the status quo

No, Neo realizes that a bond can be made at the very end.

The Oracle has probably wanted this all the time, but the Architect has exploited the solution by using the anomaly to improve the matrix instead of allowing the bond to be created. The human race had to live in the matrix for some time before the choice/problem became evident.

As the Oracle is just a piece of the puzzle, she had to play her part, hoping some day there would be a One with hope strong enough to choose the left door. Maybe the candy was feeding Neo hope?

Sounds good, doesn't it?

nice.

@ whoever ~
Another question, what are your opinions regarding the redemption of Smith ?
Do you think with a little help and guidence he can find his purpose and find the reason for His being what He has become?
If you do, who do you think would guide Him to the right path ?
Thanx for all your input

Another Smith wrote:

@ whoever ~ Another question, what are your opinions regarding the redemption of Smith ? Do you think with a little help and guidence he can find his purpose and find the reason for His being what He has become? If you do, who do you think would guide Him to the right path ? Thanx for all your input

(SPECULATION SPOILER)

I don't see any redemption or purpose for him, other that to explode after cloning over Neo in the final fight.

(END SPECULATION SPOILER)

I really hope they have a ending where Smith finds himself and his purpose, but I think he is to be seen as what has to be destroyed to create the bond. He has all the bad sides, so killing him is the symbol of a new birth of the new bond.

@ EMP~
So in essence Smith is to be the sacrificial lamb, or so you think?
I'm gonna' have to take a box of tissues with me when I go to watch Revs