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»I would love for the MiM theory to be true«

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Matrix-within-Matrix: Is Zion just another Matrix?

 

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Or use the brain power and come up with a different power source...
And let the humans go...

...Even machines can see that we are already dead...
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Coming back to the topic of this thread, MwM theory: if it is true, then you can't say anything about the context of the matrix, and the story of machines needing men as batteries could be totally different.
I also was surprised no one wondered if Zion was really real (besides Morpheus saying "is this real?"). I still like the thought of a MwM because it seems so logic ( and gives room for new Matrix movies Cool )

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I would agree with that statement if it were addressing themes that are not pertinent to the series.

The philosophers on the discs explain the concepts of the different spaces in the movies as representative of the human condition. Zion is the body physical, the matrix the mind , and the machine city as spirit.

I don't see how MwM fits into that metaphysics. Could you flesh that out or is it just 'turtles all the way down' ?

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"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everything drops to zero" - Fight Club


Significantly, Fight Club came out at the same time as The Matrix. There were several other films questioning the nature of reality (or rather, our perception of reality): 13th Floor, Dark City, Truman Show, eXistenZ. Even American Beauty had a simialr theme, a man questioning his world.

There's a lot of relation between Fight Club and The Matrix once we get beyond the science fiction angle:

Someone quetions the nature of the world around him. He delves into an alternative reality to find the truth. Extreme physical danger (fighting) releases his inner self.

Both movies have a film noire look to them. And they contrast the gritty real world (Zion, the underground fight clubs) with the antisceptically clean cities which are meant to keep us entranced. Indeed, Fight Club's city could just as well as be Mr Anderson's city.

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I'd give you that Hollywood was sending a message there in the late 1990s with all these movies: you are being entranced by the Society of the Spectacle, you are being deluded by media, politicians, the entertainment-military-prison-industrial-complex. Wake Up!

The Matrix pretty much states this thesis: the world we see is the delusion our society has pulled over our eyes.

Fight Club shows what people have always done in the face of overwhelming societies: form underground sects in which rituals are carried out in the dead of night to free the mind. Sort of like an after hours rave, eh?[/i]

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